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Sunday, March 22, 2009

dodgers.com: Dodgers cut left-hander Estes

PHOENIX—With the fifth-starter competition eating up diminishing innings, the Dodgers trimmed the list of contenders Sunday by cutting veteran left-hander Shawn Estes.

The club also reassigned knuckleball specialist Charlie Haeger, who will start at Triple-A Albuquerque. Estes was offered a chance to do the same but said he hasn’t decided whether to accept, take his release and seek employment elsewhere or retire.

“I didn’t expect to have this option today,” the 36-year-old said. “It’s disappointing and a little shocking, to be honest. I still feel I’ve got a lot left in the tank, I’ve got the stuff to get big league hitters out and still feel I can be a starter.”

Estes pitched two scoreless innings Saturday, then couldn’t get out of a third inning, allowing a pair of runs. He has an 8.44 ERA in five Major League exhibition games, allowing 19 hits in 10 2/3 innings and a .380 opponents batting average.

“We’re at a point where we had to start separating people and we don’t have enough innings,” Dodgers manager Joe Torre said.

Torre listed the ever-changing group of fifth-starter candidates as James McDonald, Eric Milton, Eric Stults and Claudio Vargas. McDonald stepped to the front of that group with three hitless innings Saturday after an otherwise undistinguished Spring Training.

Estes said he believed his experience put him at least on par with Milton as a front-runner. He said he was told of the decision in a meeting Sunday with Torre, pitching coach Rick Honeycutt and club officials Kim Ng and DeJon Watson. He later met with club officials Rick Ragazzo and Bill Mueller and after that met with general manager Ned Colletti.

Tripon Posted: March 22, 2009 at 06:38 PM | 27 comment(s)
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   1. Roger Cedeno's Spleen  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 08:24 PM (#3110937)
...as Ed Wade sprints to the Bat Cave...
   2. Kiko Sakata  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 08:32 PM (#3110954)
I can't believe Shawn Estes made it this long. I remember talk around here after the 2003 season (ERA+ of 76 for the Cubs; I think he was one of the 2 or 3 worst starting pitchers in MLB that season) about whether he'd get an NRI the next year and, if not, how rare it was for his last start to have been a complete game shutout (imagine his ERA+ before that game).
   3. Gambling Rent Czar  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 08:34 PM (#3110956)
...as Ed Wade sprints to the Bat Cave...
Kevin Towers beats him there, and offers a guaranteed contract.

Estes is a NL West pitcher, and the padres are giving up about 15 runs a game right now. If Estes can lower that to say 13 or so, its an improvement, right?
   4. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 08:34 PM (#3110957)
You know, there was a time when Estes looked like he'd be a great one.
   5. Barnaby Jones  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 08:39 PM (#3110966)
Dodgers cut left-hander Estes


Lasorda: "I told you he didn't bleed Blue®. Get the #### out!"
   6. CW uses it as a stick to beat someone with  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 10:00 PM (#3111095)
I can't say I'd ever want him to pitch for a team I liked again, but I have fond memories of Estes from his complete game in '03 (although if he'd pitched better before then, the Cubs wouldn't ahve needed it) and wish him the best of luck.
   7. Tripon  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 10:43 PM (#3111192)
Also, in another oddity, it looks like Jeff Weaver is going to make the Dodgers as a member of the bullpen.
   8. Zooooooook (jonathan)  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 10:58 PM (#3111199)
As a 24 year old, he went 19-5 with a 3.18 ERA. 130 ERA+. 181 strikeouts in 201 innings.

What a bizarre, bizarre career that followed.
   9. DFA SILVA-clap-clap-clapclapclap, DFA SILVA-clap-c  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM (#3111202)
the estes shut out is up there with the time goodwin got a hit. 03 was such a fun year till the end
   10. Steve Treder  Posted: March 22, 2009 at 11:11 PM (#3111205)
What a bizarre, bizarre career that followed.

Yo. My "favorite" moment was in the 2000 NLDS when he sprained his freaking ankle by standing on second base. Then worse, when he hobbled off the base to go "ow," they tagged him out.

He always was, you know, kind of mental.
   11. PASTE is not impressed by Albert Pujols (Zeth)  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 01:12 AM (#3111226)
Nothing will ever touch Jose ****ing Lima shutting out the 2004 Cardinals in the playoffs. Yes, it really happened.
   12. Trevor Crowe T. Robot (Dan Lee)  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 02:55 AM (#3111235)
He always was, you know, kind of mental.

Yeah, I'm not sure there's ever been another active MLB player who stole* a police bicycle.

*-allegedly. Did he ever get convicted?
   13. Chipper Jonestown Massacre  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 03:30 AM (#3111237)
He always was, you know, kind of mental.


Well, he is a lefty...
   14. BringBackTimTeufel  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 09:23 AM (#3111320)
My favorite was the time he couldn't nail Roger Clemens with the entire baseball world watching him...
   15. RB in NYC (Now with Resolutions!)  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 09:30 AM (#3111326)
My favorite was the time he couldn't nail Roger Clemens with the entire baseball world watching him...
But could, if memory serves, hit a home run off of him. That was pretty improbable.
   16. zonk  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 09:50 AM (#3111338)
As a 24 year old, he went 19-5 with a 3.18 ERA. 130 ERA+. 181 strikeouts in 201 innings.

What a bizarre, bizarre career that followed.


Generally, you'd want to start looking at who the manager was and how he led said pitcher down a path to ruination... but I'm too lazy to look up Estes' manager during his formative early years as a big league pitcher.
   17. 6 - 4 - 3  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 09:58 AM (#3111343)
Much as I'd like to, I don't think it's fair to blame Dusty Baker for Estes' failure to develop into an elite pitcher. Something about the guy is just off (even more so than a typical lefty) and I suspect that Estes would have spent most of his career treading the waters of mediocrity regardless of who his manager had been.
   18. Craig K  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM (#3111344)
But it sure didn't help, at least.
   19. zonk  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 10:00 AM (#3111345)
Much as I'd like to, I don't think it's fair to blame Dusty Baker for Estes' failure to develop into an elite pitcher.


Sure... I was just engaging in a little tongue-in-cheek BTFing... mostly.
   20. FBI Regional Bureau Chief GORDON COLE!!!  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM (#3111358)
So typical, you Cub fans hating on Estes. Why, that '03 Cub team had Estes in its rotation, and it won its first postseason series in 95 years. You think that was just a coincidence? What short memories you hateful, hateful fans have.
   21. zack  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM (#3111415)
Yo. My "favorite" moment was in the 2000 NLDS when he sprained his freaking ankle by standing on second base. Then worse, when he hobbled off the base to go "ow," they tagged him out.


I wouldn't say it was "standing" on second. I still have a vivid image of him jamming his foot on the base while sliding and rolling it completely over. Ugh, it was horrible.
   22. PreservedFish  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM (#3111428)
As a 24 year old, he went 19-5 with a 3.18 ERA. 130 ERA+. 181 strikeouts in 201 innings.


Similar pitcher to Zito although obviously not as good. Both have the big big curveball, which offered the ability to dominate, but they had major control issues with it. Hitters would just ignore Estes' curveball in the hopes that he couldn't throw it for strikes. He usually couldn't. When he did he was dynamite.
   23. Steve Treder  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM (#3111460)
I still have a vivid image of him jamming his foot on the base while sliding and rolling it completely over. Ugh, it was horrible.

No, he wasn't sliding, he was coming into the base standing up, awkwardly, and stepped on the side of the bag.
   24. Tom (and his broom)  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 11:43 AM (#3111506)
When he came up he threw a 97mph rising fastball with movement, a 94mph sinker, and one of the most impressive curve balls ever with a late, extremely sharp, break down.

But the curve ball broke so much it was almost never a strike, which is why, though it is perhaps the most impressive it was not the best. And he always tried to be too fine with his fastballs, and could never get the strike zone. And he blew out his elbow from overwork in 97, that cost him 5mph on his fastball, and turned him from the next Koufax to the late model zito overnight.

His foot injury cost him another mph or so off his fastball, and, even worse, guaranteed his inconsistency.

Even today, when he is on, and has an umpire that gives him the low strike on his curve, he can pitch a hell of a game. Too bad for him you pay a pitcher to have good games 75% of the time, not 25%.

He is still probably as good as anyone the Pad's have for their 5th starter.
   25. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB)  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM (#3111526)

What a bizarre, bizarre career that followed.


Hey, he has a better career winning percentage than Dennis Eckersley.
   26. JJ1986  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM (#3111530)
Estes pitched 132 innings for the Mets, but I had completely forgotten that he was ever on the team.
   27. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB)  Posted: March 23, 2009 at 12:44 PM (#3111642)
Whoops, ignore the above. Apparently I don't know how to use P-I on BBRef.
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