This thread should be fun.

Brett Pedroia, 30, admitted Thursday that he engaged in oral copulation four years ago with a boy between the ages of 10 and 14

The "Pedroia sucks!" crowd has been vindicated. Not Dustin, but close enough.

This is all sorts of ###### up.

Class.

Who orally copulated who? I am assuming Pedroia (his name is Pedroia too) orally copulated the lad. But maybe the lad orally copulated Pedroia?

Who orally copulated who? I am assuming Pedroia (his name is Pedroia too) orally copulated the lad. But maybe the lad orally copulated Pedroia?

And this is important information, why, exactly?

And this is important information, why, exactly?

He wants to know if it was hot or if it was gross.

"How many MVPs do you know who have a pedophile brother?"

"Apart from you?..."

holly molly. lord help us.

Is Pedroia going to get ugly heckles this year or what?

Is Pedroia going to get ugly heckles this year or what?

Could be worse. He could've been mentioned in the Mitchell Report.

"How many MVPs do you know who have a pedophile brother?"

"Apart from you?..."

It appears we have a winner!

The good news for Red Sox Nation here is that nobody choked.

Who orally copulated who? I am assuming Pedroia (his name is Pedroia too) orally copulated the lad. But maybe the lad orally copulated Pedroia?

And this is important information, why, exactly?

If he forced the victim to orally copulate him, it is potentially worse just because it forces the victim to be a more active participant in his victimization that if he was the receiver. If he copulated the victim, the victim can at least close his eyes and pretend it's a cute girl (or boy, if the victim is gay/bi) he would want to be with instead.

Could be worse. He could've been mentioned in the Mitchell Report.

Really? You think. This must be extremely embarrassing. He might prefer being in the report.

If he forced the victim to orally copulate him, it is potentially worse just because it forces the victim to be a more active participant in his victimization that if he was the receiver. If he copulated the victim, the victim can at least close his eyes and pretend it's a cute girl (or boy, if the victim is gay/bi) he would want to be with instead.

OK, I'm no lawyer. I'd say either way, or both ways, it's a grotesque exploitation of the adult/child power relationship.

If he forced the victim to orally copulate him, it is potentially worse just because it forces the victim to be a more active participant in his victimization that if he was the receiver. If he copulated the victim, the victim can at least close his eyes and pretend it's a cute girl (or boy, if the victim is gay/bi) he would want to be with instead.

Get help. Immediately.

OK, I'm no lawyer. I'd say either way, or both ways, it's a grotesque exploitation of the adult/child power relationship.

Of course it is. Doesn't mean that one couldn't be worse. Saying that it might be less horrible if all that happened was him blowing the kid is hardly an endorsement of adults sucking pre-pubescent ####.

Get help. Immediately.

Learn to read. Immediately.

Look, I can understand getting a little upset at the implication that you're implicitly "endorsing" child sexual assault; but you are saying that that "all that happened was him blowing the kid" and that the kid can "at least close his eyes and pretend" it's someone he likes. This betrays a pretty fundamental lack of empathy. I'm guessing you wouldn't say the same thing about a similar sexual assault on a woman, i.e. that she could sit back and enjoy it and pretend that she was being assaulted by someone cuter?

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Who orally copulated who? I am assuming Pedroia (his name is Pedroia too) orally copulated the lad. But maybe the lad orally copulated Pedroia?

And this is important information, why, exactly?

Just to be tasteless for a moment.

The Abrdiged Mac:
Whoa, whoa, whoa, who said anything about getting blown? I'm sorry, we need to clarify something, do you think Murray blew them? If Murray is fondling or touching them, whatever, I get it. But if he's dishing out blowjobs...come on, I just don't understand. I was in that class with them...I was WITH those guys! Look at this, I was cute, I was energetic, I was fun...what exactly was this prick looking for. If the McPoyle's got blown, and Charlie got blown...why didn't I get blown?

eewwww is the only appropriate response.
This is some f*cked up sh*t and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy and his family.

I can see the "blow vs getting blown" argument being as contentious as the "stats vs scouts" one.

Given Pedroia's height, if I'm him I'm feeling real leery about spending any time alone with my brother.

I was going to use the "High School" tag when I submitted this, but 10-14 was too young to qualify, so I went with Minor Leagues.

So, JMM, a ten year old boy can just "close his eyes and pretend it's a cute girl (or boy, if the victim is gay/bi)he would want to be with instead."

Don't think I've run into too many ten year old boys who are interested in being copulated by (a) a cute girl; or (b) a boy.

Concur with Milford: you are one sick f###.

There's a special place in hell for sickos that molest kids. Brett Pedroia's troubles have only just begun.

I wonder what makes people do sick #### like that. Genetics? Traumatic experience? Hopefully the victim can get enough counseling, so he can grow up and live a decent life.

Don't think I've run into too many ten year old boys who are interested in being copulated by (a) a cute girl; or (b) a boy.


First, who said he was 10? Could be 14. Or do we know?

Second, of course 10 year olds want to get sucked. And maybe this one wanted to get sucked by that one, how the hell do you know?

I can see the "blow vs getting blown" argument being as contentious as the "stats vs scouts" one.

Roundtable!

There's a special place in <strike>hell</strike> jail for sickos that molest kids

Fixed. Seriously, not the most popular inmates.

I was going to use the "High School" tag when I submitted this, but 10-14 was too young to qualify, so I went with Minor Leagues.

And here I didn't want to laugh at anything in this thread.

There's a special place in hell for sickos that molest kids. Brett Pedroia's troubles have only just begun.

I wonder what makes people do sick #### like that. Genetics? Traumatic experience? Hopefully the victim can get enough counseling, so he can grow up and live a decent life.

First of all there is no hell, nor heaven, but that's another discussion. His own special hell will be whatever facility he ends up in and the abuse he will have to endure for essentially being lower than pond scum.

And yes, he's obviously very, very sick. I wish we knew what the answer is because paedophiles seem to fit into a very narrow demographic of males over 30, but come from a broad range of backgrounds...having been molested themselves is quite prominant though...

As for the victim, what an incredibly long road ahead for the poor child and his family. As a father of 5 kids I can't even begin to imagine what this would be like.

As I said before, this is some f*cked up sh*t.

Strike one, O.B. Not falling for that one. Try again.

10 to 14 year olds dude...

First of all there is no hell, nor heaven, but that's another discussion.

Good. Answered once and for all.

Second, of course 10 year olds want to get sucked. And maybe this one wanted to get sucked by that one, how the hell do you know?
O.K., I took the bait to the point that you are pretty f*cked up for even suggesting this..

I got that. Age is irrelevant to the issue, because as Obama points out, no one knows the age of the victim, so any sick generalization like JMM made is absurd.

Two things I don't get:

1) Is there a special category for "10 to 14"? Why do they say that? Presumably they know how old the child was. Is there a different category for, like 14-18 (is that even legal?), and like 1-10 or whatever?

2) Plea bargaining is strange -- I'm sure there's no way Pedroia is guilty of exactly one of these counts.

And yes, he's obviously very, very sick.

No people with Cancer are sick. Peopple with the flu are sick. Heck, in my old age I'm willing to concede people with anxiety disorders are sick. Molesting a ####### child isn't the action of a sick person, unless they have the flu at the time. It is the action of someone who is evil, he has stolen something that can never be replaced and is more valuable than perhaps anything outside of the gift of life.

A quick google search came up with this one.

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"I live a few blocks from the Pedroias. I've never met them, but I can confirm that the family is royalty in this town...As such, the local news TV crews can't find anyone who believes the charges; it's like O.J. on an infinitetismally smaller scale. But the seed of doubt never goes away, and it's proof that no matter how high above the proliteriat you rise a scandal can strike you down at any moment."—Tom Ziller

I'd say that Dustin Pedroia is on a infinitetismally smaller scale than most MVP's.

Oh ya also Woodland hills is within 30 minutes of my house ewwwww...

It is the action of someone who is evil

Well now you are just pontificating really; bottom line is that he is very sick. His brain is not functioning properly, the dude is really mentally ill. Beyond my comprehension that's for sure. I too can't understand how one does such horrible things or gets to that point. You start throwing out terms like evil...I mean how do you even define that? Was he born that way? Was there something traumatic that brought him to that point? IMHO, the guys synapses are pretty much fried and he doesn't know what's right or wrong, good or bad, acceptable or unacceptable.

Who orally copulated who? I am assuming Pedroia (his name is Pedroia too) orally copulated the lad. But maybe the lad orally copulated Pedroia?

And this is important information, why, exactly?

It's pitchers and catchers reporting.

I can see the "blow vs getting blown" argument being as contentious as the "stats vs scouts" one.

Because Brett Pedroia was feeling toolsy?

bottom line is that he is very sick

No. As I said, he isn't sick. That's just making excuses.

Well now you are just pontificating really;

Actually I'm not. I don't pretend to understand the why, nor do I care. I'm simple. I don't need to understand the reasons or the why's to know that calling some one like this sick, doesn't exactly jive with the definition of the word sick I have come to know. I guess I don't know if I believe in nature or nurture but at the end of the day it doesn't matter, not when you do what this "man" is accused of.

I guess it could be worse.

Oh ya also Woodland hills is within 30 minutes of my house ewwwww...

Pedroia's from Woodland, not Woodland Hills. Two very different places.

No. As I said, he isn't sick. That's just making excuses.

Can't it be both? He is mentally ill for having those urges, and evil for acting on them.

First of all there is no hell, nor heaven, but that's another discussion.

Actually, this discussion is one of the only ones that makes me wish we were having that one instead.

Heaven is oral copulation. Hell is too much teeth. That was made clear in Milton's "Paradise Lost," or possibly 1988's "Lovesexy."

This thread is *so* gay.

the first kid i fell for was 14 years old at the time.


though there's a huge difference between how old i was then (16), and how old brett pedroia was when he copulated this child, there's a definite problem with the sex crimes legislation as currently implemented. though this situation with brett pedroia might not be representative of that, it still is concerning how anyone who stands in the way of the freight train of judgment gets run down and treated like they had raped a child themselves.



i understand where this comes from, but as someone who could very well have been in a similar position had things turned out differently, concerning is definitely the word that comes to mind.

JMM is Bob Knight, who knew

I'm guessing you wouldn't say the same thing about a similar sexual assault on a woman, i.e. that she could sit back and enjoy it and pretend that she was being assaulted by someone cuter?

I don't understand your point.

- T. Antoine

the definition of the word sick I have come to know

Like the sick dunks that Lebron throws down?

No. As I said, he isn't sick. That's just making excuses.

100% concur. Stop calling a depraved criminal "sick" or "mentally ill", it's an insult to people with actually mental illnesses.

This guy wanted something and didn't care who he hurt to get it. That's EVIL. It's easy to see why society is so ###### up when every evil mother ###### "needs help".

I say we go back to public hangings. It would get people out of their houses more often.

Being a sick person who desperately needs mental help and being a loathsome ####### who should be locked up are not mutually exclusive. Brett Pedroia should be in prison, and he should be undergoing intensive therapy. There's no contradiction there.

Callaspo!

This happened 4 years ago ? I wonder if it was an isolated case ?

This happened 4 years ago ? I wonder if it was an isolated case ?

Considering three other charges were dropped, I seriously doubt it.

"No. As I said, he isn't sick. That's just making excuses."

Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't.

The brain is a very complicated thing.

I say we go back to public hangings. It would get people out of their houses more often.

This is a good point. Public hangings will almost always draw a crowd. For a crowd to appear, it means people have to get off their fat asses and leave the house. Getting off your fat ass and leaving the house burns more calories than sitting on the sofa watching American Idol. Burning calories results in less fattyness. Fattyness is bad for the environment and causes global warming. Ergo, public hangings would help fight global warming.

How is this not a good idea?!?

How is this not a good idea?!?

Beats me. I call dibs on the t-shirt concession.

How is this not a good idea?!?

They would just televise the hangings and then people would sit on their asses at home and watch them.

How is this not a good idea?!?

They would just televise the hangings and then people would sit on their asses at home and watch them.

My plan is undone...

They would just televise the hangings

Pay per view. Probably would make more than most boxing matches do nowadays.

This is a good point. Public hangings will almost always draw a crowd. For a crowd to appear, it means people have to get off their fat asses and leave the house. Getting off your fat ass and leaving the house burns more calories than sitting on the sofa watching American Idol. Burning calories results in less fattyness. Fattyness is bad for the environment and causes global warming. Ergo, public hangings would help fight global warming.

How is this not a good idea?!?

Public hangings were very popular events in 19th century England. There's a very good description in "The Great Train Robbery", IIRC. People used to rent apartments overlooking the gallows and "tail-gate" the event.

The crowd would chant "Oh my, I think he's going to die".

I'd bet front row seats would beat the #### out of any "scared straight" program for troubled youths.

Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't.

The brain is a very complicated thing.

I saw that episode of Law and Order...

I'm simple. I don't need to understand the reasons or the why's to know that calling some one like this sick, doesn't exactly jive with the definition of the word sick I have come to know.

I would say your definition of the word sick needs to be revised then. Do you dismiss all mentally ill people this way? Or if someone's mental illness does not result in them harming others allow you to have some sympathy?

A lot of the people who molest children were once molested themselves. By extention, your attitude towards the perpetrators shows a shocking lack of understanding and sympathy for victims as well since they are often times the same person.

Pedroia's from Woodland, not Woodland Hills. Two very different places.

Whew that's a breath of fresh air. Now if we can get these crazy Hell's Angels rapists away from my roomate's girlfriend everything will be sweet.

Eatin' ain't cheatin'.

######' ain't ######'

This whole story is ridiculous. Finally we've got someone who really WAS thinking of the children, and HE'S the bad guy?

This is Woodland Hills.

This is Woodland.

The problem with scientists is they don't understand that the fact/value distinction is incoherent. The result is they want to have their cake and eat it too. It makes no sense to condemn the sickness if you aren't willing to call it evil.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Science leads to moral nihilism.

So disease is evil now? I'm surprised to hear that kind of Dark Ages talk from you, Gaelen.

There are perfectly awesome reasons not to stigmatize disease, from a medical point of view. The more stigmatized the condition, the less likely people will be to come in for treatment, and the more likely it is that the condition will worsen and something bad will happen. Stigmatization of disease is bad medicine, making outcomes worse for everyone, no matter how good it may feel to declare things evil.

This is Woodland Hills.

This is Woodland.

And always keep your distance when you're following a tomato truck.

So disease is evil now? I'm surprised to hear that kind of Dark Ages talk from you, Gaelen.

That sounds to me like you don't usually read Gaelen's posts.

Public hangings will almost always draw a crowd. For a crowd to appear, it means people have to get off their fat asses and leave the house.

gonna take more than a public hanging to get me out of my mom's basement.

So disease is evil now? I'm surprised to hear that kind of Dark Ages talk from you, Gaelen.

That sounds to me like you don't usually read Gaelen's posts.

This made me chuckle.

I particularly enjoy Gaelan's posts when he gets on an anti-science kick. Makes me picture him sitting in a yurt somewhere, pounding out rants on a primitive computer he built with his own two hands out of straw and mud, a well worn copy of the Consolation of Philosophy by his side.

This is Woodland.

Is that the truck in which Pedroia was conceived, born and educated?

Pay per view. Probably would make more than most boxing matches do nowadays.

Phil Donahue advocated for that, at one time.

So disease is evil now?

In a loose philosophical sense, yes it is. As is ignorance, poverty, etc.

"And always keep your distance when you're following a tomato truck."

By late August, there is not a country-road shoulder around here which is not plastered in spilled tomatoes. I've long wondered why the farmers don't invest in light-weight nets to keep their fruit from falling from the trucks before they reach the canneries.

So disease is evil now? I'm surprised to hear that kind of Dark Ages talk from you, Gaelen.

There are perfectly awesome reasons not to stigmatize disease, from a medical point of view. The more stigmatized the condition, the less likely people will be to come in for treatment, and the more likely it is that the condition will worsen and something bad will happen. Stigmatization of disease is bad medicine, making outcomes worse for everyone, no matter how good it may feel to declare things evil.

Everything you say is true, except for the part about them being inapplicable because these things aren't "diseases." They're behaviors. Labeling behaviors as diseases is reductionist and unhelpful.

I'd bet front row seats would beat the #### out of any "scared straight" program for troubled youths.

During such functions troubled youths could be found working the crowd Artful Dodger style. Public hangings were a pickpocket's delight.

DB

During such functions troubled youths could be found working the crowd Artful Dodger style. Public hangings were a pickpocket's delight.

Even, as I understand it, when the executed was himself a pickpocket. Though that may be more legend than history.

I particularly enjoy Gaelan's posts when he gets on an anti-science kick. Makes me picture him sitting in a yurt somewhere, pounding out rants on a primitive computer he built with his own two hands out of straw and mud, a well worn copy of the Consolation of Philosophy by his side

Granting that this was said in good humour there is a serious point here. I am not a luddite and the reason I am not is I recognize the many and myriad benefits that technology can provide. My point is that it can only provide those benefits is I adopt an intellectual distance between myself and technology such that my thoughts, and hence my will, are not directed by technology and more specifically technological know how. Thus while it is a truism that technology just a tool and hence doesn't decide how it will be used this truism abstracts from the mode of thinking that makes technology possible. This mode of thought, while itself not a tool in a material sense, is evident in this thread in the labelling of behaviour in the scientific terms of medicine which seeks to distinguish between the empirically verifiable world of facts and the unempirical world of judgement. Thus if we want to enjoy the benefits of technology without succumbing to nihilism it can only be done by rejecting, or at least not succumbing to, the technological mode of thinking.*

New Pedoria commercial

I'd bet front row seats would beat the #### out of any "scared straight" program for troubled youths.

It even created jobs for these young children... Oftentimes the hangings didn't result in death, so they would hire children to run and jump and grab the legs of criminals, causing them to expire from suffocation in an expeditious fashion.

Good times.

Science leads to moral nihilism.

This and #86 sound like Gaelen's "scared straight" program for aspiring philosophy students.