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Since there's certainly more money to be made by taking over the Fenway Park concession stands than there is likely to be made by trying to hold onto Iraq, that might not be a bad strategy. He can then outsource the beer and souvenir rights to the senior ranking Friend of Presidents among the other current owners, who will operate them as a public trust in the national interest, on a strictly impartial basis.
Why do you hate America?
I did do a double take when I saw a recent USA TODAY cover that said the Red Sox were now America's team. If there is one team I hate as much as the Yankees, its the Red Sox.
Hmmm. I don't think Jim Caple understands how casual fandom works.
I may be the only Yankee fan in America whose second favorite team is Boston. Not that I don't root against them every day, but it's one of the few teams in the right time zone that's almost as entertaining as the Yanks, and their crazed and neurotic fans are like the pockmarked stripper jumping out of the wedding cake. How can you not love them, too?
Would you do it? For me?
Damon signed with the Red Sox as a FA, if he sold his soul to be a Yankee, wasn't it already gone when he left the A's? Or did that not count because the Royals traded him?
Really? Because I think that Red Sox Nation REALLY comes out when they drop a few games and someone deems a good reason for a pity party.
"It's 1978 all over again!!!! We are the MOST unlucky team evah!!!" Give it a damn rest.
RL
I really wish I'd been at your wedding.
One thing I have noticed: the Red Sox seem to have noticeably more female fans than any other team in baseball. Whenever you see crowd shots of Fenway, it just seems like there are proportionally more women than in any other park. I wonder if there's a way of measuring that.
Perhaps they don't travel as much as Red Sox fans, though. Probably has to do with terms of their probation.
Pumping your stathead street-cred. Can't blame a guy for that!
Like I said earlier, the column is silly and illogical, but that's clearly not the point. He's sick of hearing about the Red Sox. So am I. There are a few people like that.
Primey for how exactly right you are. I'm going to Mencia this one.
Automated chromometric video analysis for color code #FF00FF in the Fenway stands.
I bring up the Rockies because I haven't seen a Rockies fan at BTF in ages. I'm not sure why that is. The Wiki only lists three.
Red Sox fans aren't preventing fans of other teams from buying tickets. What's this boob talking about? I bet the owners in these cities that Red Sox fans show up appreciate their attendance.
Highly original stuff, Caple. Do they even have story editors in that f*cking place? WTF???
I feel your pain. I'm a die-hard Toronto Maple Leafs fan. The modern TML fan is arrogant, narcotically optimistic with a staggering volume-to-I.Q.ratio that defies mathematics to calculate.
Who are these people? The Leafs haven't been to a Stanley Cup final since 1967. Granted, the Chicago Black Hawks have a longer Cup drought but at least they've appeared in the finals a couple of times.
Leaf-dom should inspire humility, not arrogance. We suck. We've sucked a lot in recent years. It doesn't look like we're gonna stop sucking any time soon.
I consider myself a long-suffering Leafs fan too grounded in reality for my own good. However I get painted with the same brush as these idiots who apparently fell between the cracks of natural selection.
Like you, I don't apologize for my allegiance and all the acts of the modern developmentally-delayed, intellectually stunted, pre-Neanderthalic narcisstic phallucranial adolescent uber crackhead Leaf fans are not gonna make me cheer for the Ottawa Senators or Nashville Predators just so I'm not associated with them.
I love the Leafs, I will be buried in a Leafs jersey with a No. 10 on the back--deal with it world.
Best Regards
John
"The curse is back. We (as opposed to the team themselves)win the division and just our luck, the Mariners and Tigers fold in the stretch and the Yankees get into the playoffs."
What I would like to see is J.D Drew strike out to end the game on September 30 and hear Remy state that hope still exists if the White Sox (or Rangers) can beat the Tigers (Mariners) and force a one game playoff for the wild card tomorrow.
You don't know that! Maybe Sawx fans are using some sort of elitist New England hokum to finagle and swindle tickets from the hands of honest, simple Mariner fans. Darned Ivy Leaguers!
I bet the owners in other cities are scratching their heads at the spate of "tonic" and "frank" requests.
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/bos/fan_forum/redsox_nation_president.jsp
Hey, there's plenty of Red Sox fans who don't want to hear that sh1t either. Hell, I didn't want to hear it before 2004. I'm 40. The team has basically been competitive my whole life, save a few Hobson years. Hard to call that unlucky.
Overall, some of us are a$$holes. More of us aren't. We've just picked up a few more a$$holes since 04.
"It's 1978 all over again!!!! We are the MOST unlucky team evah!!!"
OK, here's something I can rail against! But I have work to finish.
I will curse your type (Leafs fans) for the fact they came into the Winnipeg Arena and taunted Jets fans about losing their franchise ("Bye-bye Jets")within two months in February 1996. That was the ultimate in low class for obnoxious fans. (In contrast Mets fans showed class joining Expos fans in a chant at Shea of "Let's go Expos" in the ninth of October 3, 2004. And it wasn't a mocking chant but rather a salute or done in respectful tone.)
And it is ironic you want to be buried in No. 10 considering where I come from. No 10 is the only one I can respect on that squad.
Well put. The idea that Sox fans showing up at a visiting park is anything but a reflection of local fans NOT buying up those seats shows a real lack of understanding of how ticket sales work.
I think Caple is usually funny, but this article is so devoid of any logical thought process it's awfully hard to read. He could have just written "I don't like the Red Sox" and saved himself a lot of trouble.
Maybe he's bitter that Sports Guy is the top dog on Page 2?
I really wish I'd been at your wedding.
It was worse than that; it was my late mother-in-law. Those lucky Red Sox fans get the pockmarked strippers.
Like I said: "developmentally-delayed, intellectually stunted, pre-Neanderthalic narcisstic phallucranial adolescent uber crackhead(s)."
Evidently I forgot to add "totally lacking any semblance of class or respect for the game."
Those are the kind of Leafs fans I despise. If you love the game you should never cheer a team leaving Canada--ever.
Feel free to hate. They are loathsome. The sports media up here doesn't help. Everything revolves around the Leafs. Oilers/Flames in Game Seven of the Stanley Cup final might (on a good day) get as much press as a Leafs trade rumour east of the Praries. It's like the PGA Tour with Tiger Woods. A tense 18th hole for the tournament will cut away to show Woods, eight shots back, taking a practice cut on the 16th.
Best Regards
John
And why so many of them were excited about the prospect of dumping Stajan so they could bring Peca back is beyond me
(I should point out at this time that I am a rabid Leafs fan)
The stigma of being a Leafs fan is a pretty big one, especially when I moved from Toronto to Regina when I was 19. I was nearly tarred and feathered on several occasions until people got to know me and realized there there DO exist normal human beings who also happen to cheer for the Leafs. Because of that experience I have gradually come to give Red Sox and Yankee fans slack and not IMMEDIATELY assume they are brainless scum.
By the way, I assume the #10 you are referring to is #10 who is also MY favourite Leaf of all time, beating out Zezel by a narrow margin, Garry Valk?
Man I'm gettin' old: My No. 10 is George Armstrong--my first hockey hero as a kid.
Young, energetic with a future = bad. Savvy veteran who'll be beaten up and worn out by February = good. The '67 Cup winners were a (very) veteran club. You'd almost think they've been trying ever since to get the right combination of old coots to get the Geritol-mojo going again.
Give us your tired, your aged, your saponified, your partially intact and we'll get you home by April.
Best Regards
John
In NHL 94 for Genesis the elder Steen was the King of Cheapies for some reason. That, added to his usual solid output always had him near the league leaders in goals.
I'd also like to add that I was sad to see the Jets leave, and despite my hatred of Winnipeg necessitated by my residence in Regina, I really miss them
Needless to say I wasn't a terribly astute fan
Tulo will save us.
A few BTF Red Sox fans and others got on and talked about how dumb it was to write that--and Salfino just said he was trying to write a "provocative column." This is sort of intuitively obvious--a lot of these guys are just trying to generate angry emails and web hits, to be "provocative" and we might try to remember that. But a lot of us--me included--forget.
That is not to say that ALL columns like this are shallow attempts to be "provocative" but I think a lot of them are.
I take it you've never read the book of Revelation--it's the final sign that the end is nigh.
It's the four horse's asses of the Apocalypse. Do not flirt with Olive Oyl and whine.
Best Regards
John
Greg, I am a Riders fan in enemy territory who is enjoying this season. But I merely chuckling to myself, I won't rub it in to the locals. My Rider Pride is based upon growing up in Brandon and all my friends were Eskimo fans and I worshipped Lancaster and Reed.
Evgeny Davidov was money in NHL 94 Sega.
OK, we're sorry. We'll be good.
This is why you are my special Red Sox friend.
Did Mike Smith design that year's version of Sega?
And I thought it was because our mutual mancrush on TLR.
Naw. TLR is just misunderstood.
I'm moving back to Regina tomorrow, my friends out there tell me there is quite a lot of excitement this season
The Leafs were pretty good in 94 but not that outstanding. Aside from Gilmour they didn't have much speed, and the only thing remarkable on the blueline was Ellett's shot. Potvin was good but not awesome.
Winnipeg was actually one of my favourite teams, especially without line changes. Selanne, Daydov, Steen...I don't think I ever played a game were Housely didn't get a point. Essensa was the only hole.
Chicago was one of the better teams, purely based on Roenick and Belfour.
But for best team all around using just one line, I'd have to say Calgary. Roberts, Nieuwendyk and Roberts? MacInnis and Suter...Gold, although they had a huge lack of depth after that
Some of us did, but we were just a bunch of unserious America-haters.
Seems like this is the new meme from non-Red Sox fans. Maybe it's because I live outside of Boston, but I have not seen this in Red Sox fans. I've seen a lot of them who no longer feel cursed, but not any like the ones described above.
I think I like this guy (in a non-sexual way).
I grew up worshiping a different Roughrider (and Roughriders team): Russ Jackson.
I never could warm up to the Renegades. I know how some old Cleveland Browns or Brooklyn Dodgers fans felt when they got a new team--it's just not the same thing.
One of my favourite memories from the 1992-93 Jays seasons didn't even involve baseball. One of the oddities of AM radio is sometimes you can't hear a station that's nearby due to the signal strength. There were stations within 15 minutes of where I lived carrying Toronto games and by 7:30 PM they were being drowned out.
So what I would often do if it was feasible was tune in the opposition's radio station to hear the game. I heard many Jays game from stations in New York, Boston, Detroit, Cleveland etc. Anyway, one evening the local AM signal was going to be really bad. The Jays were in Cleveland so I checked about 45 min. before first pitch to see if I could get in the Ohio station.
Clear as a bell.
There was a sports show on at the time so I decided to kick back and hear what was the hot news in Cleveland. There was a round-table discussion that turned to the greatest big-game QB that they had ever personally seen. The usual suspects came up: Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Bart Starr, Bob Griese and of course Otto Graham; heck, even Len Dawson and Jimmy Plunkett got some love. Then one older guy (at least his voice sounded old--he sounded a bit like Jim "Shaky" Hunt but it wasn't him) piped up and said he's worked a few years up in Canada and said the best "big game QB" he had seen was this big fellow that played 'for Ottawa in the Canadian League' by the name of Russ Jackson.
He said he was the equal of any NFLer when it came to the big game/the big play. I couldn't believe I heard it. I ran downstairs to tell my wife and she reacted as you'd expect any disinterested spouse would under the circumstances.
Ah well.
Suffice it to say, the reputation of Cleveland fans' knowledge of the game is very highly regarded by yours truly for that.
Best Regards
John
I hear the meme I use--people are sick of Red Sox fans complaining--more than this one. But I do hear both.
Rider fans are an odd bunch
I've never seen such dedicated fans who are so entirely certain that they are going to lose
And this may be true of all football fans, but they absolutely LOVE whoever the backup QB is. Rocky Butler was a God there for a season, and I don't think he threw more than 5 passes all year. Pretty much from the kick off the whole stadium would be chanting his name, to be put in the game.
I didn't much like this article, but living in San Diego and also having seen some AL games in Anaheim, I do get tired of LOUD, visiting fans--be they Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers--whatever. Living in a tourist/transplant city that has often had bad teams, this is a pain. It was worse pre-PETCO but it still happens. I tend to think if you are rooting for the visiting team, you should be kind of laid-back and quiet. So, I do see it as "bad manners."
I was there, and joined in. I was sad to see the Expos go- it felt as if something culturally significant was lost from major league baseball.
That Mets fans represented themselves in such an honorable manner made me feel good, just as when Robin Ventura, despite a horrific season, was repeatedly cheered in 2001 because fans wouldn't forget the grand-slam single.
This is not universal- but I'm generally happy with Mets fans. The one who killed his mom- well, let's just say I'm glad we didn't find out how he'd have reacted to yesterday's game.
His brother is a former MLB All Star and MVP.
Hint: He is from Evansville Indiana and his brother was born in 1961.
I was drawing a blank until you gave me the first name: Randy Mattingly.
Best Regards
John
I had no intention of becoming a Rockies fan when I moved to Colorado three years ago, but they're a pretty fun team to root for. They're about as low-pressure as a team can be -- nobody really expects them to contend, and I would be completely satisfied with a simple winning season this year -- without having those long stretches of terribleness like the Royals and Pirates. They're built almost completely from within, or by trading for young talent -- none of those Reggie Sanders-type mediocre aging free agents. And because of the park, they're rarely out of a game.
Most of their best players seem to be quiet, unassuming team-first guys, like Holliday and Helton and Jeff Francis. And Tulowitzki is just a gorgeous young player to watch -- I'd bet on him to win an MVP at some point.
And hey, you never know, they might even be a contender one of these years.
Well done John.
Thanks. I honestly might not have gotten it unless you gave me the first name. I could picture him but blanked on the name. It didn't help that Mark McGwire's brother Dan was a former NFL quarterback either.
Best Regards
John
I said before the season the Rockies would be better than many people thought, and since my predictions usually suck ratshit, I am going to mention it again. I think they can really contend in 2008.
I got to watch him while he was at Long Beach State. It was fun because (a) he was a great player, and (b) there were a decent number of college-age, blond, long-legged hotties who showed up to watch him, too, and every last one of them knew he was going to get taken high in the draft.
Wow, you're really catering to my inner UNC alum/yankee fan. I don't think they are like Duke; Duke fans expect to win. They are shocked when they lose. Many Sox fans it seems live for the loss. Or talking about the bad times. I know there are exceptions, you don't have to point them out to me. If we are going ACC, they are more like NC State Fans. (It would be too easy to label them BC fans, but those guys like to revel in the bad times too)
RL
I read that; Larry does not account for the fact that people might show up to to see the Yankees, or Red Sox, lose.
I feel your pain. I'm a die-hard Toronto Maple Leafs fan. The modern TML fan is arrogant, narcotically optimistic with a staggering volume-to-I.Q.ratio that defies mathematics to calculate.
Who are these people? The Leafs haven't been to a Stanley Cup final since 1967. Granted, the Chicago Black Hawks have a longer Cup drought but at least they've appeared in the finals a couple of times.
Leaf-dom should inspire humility, not arrogance. We suck. We've sucked a lot in recent years. It doesn't look like we're gonna stop sucking any time soon.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA you fail almost worse than my team (Vancouver), and you guys all behave like asshats who think EVERYBODY is signing with your team. HAHAHHAHA.
Well put. The idea that Sox fans showing up at a visiting park is anything but a reflection of local fans NOT buying up those seats shows a real lack of understanding of how ticket sales work.
But when I show up at a road park, i make sure to be polite to the fans beside me, and do nothing but boo Red Sox players.
Nah, Duke fans are stunned whenever they lose and everyone else assumes they get every break possible.
The Red Sox fans do have a sort of sense of entitlement and are disliked a lot by other fans but it doesn't take the Duke/Yankees form.
It's a bit like Notre Dame football fandom. Domer fans assume everyone else attaches the same sentimentality to Notre Dame that they do and they get way more national press than they really deserve. Many of them assume that the widespread dislike of their main rival(s) axiomatically adds up to universal adoration for their schtick when most non-Domer football fans I know find Notre Dame annoying even if they loathe Michigan or Southern Cal just as much or perhaps even a little more.
The only thing we feel that we're entitled to is failure.
There is that aspect to it, but then there's the whole "You must love us. We are the rivals of the Evil Empire. Everyone hates the Evil Empire, right?" thing. I try not to pull this on fans of third parties but I see it done all the time by other Red Sox fans.
The situation is neither David-Goliath, nor is it Goliath-Goliath - though to many neutral-ish fans it looks much more like the latter than the former.
You really can - it just requires an acceptance of the premise that baseball is a fan's game, and it's just as much about hating the opposition as supporting your own team. It's fun to have enemies, and the "I hate Red Sox fans" thing can be enjoyable if that's the case. Not my thing personally, but whatever.
But if you're going to accept that premise one thing you ABSOLUTELY cannot complain about is visiting fans making noise. It comes from EXACTLY the same place - a support for a team that treats baseball as a game where the normal rules for human civilization get a bit of a break, where you're rude, loud, aggressive, etc. even if you'd never be that way normally.
Once again, not my thing. I prefer to appreciate the game for the game's sake and while I support the Red Sox and the Mariners and enjoy talking about how much I hate the Yankees, in truth I recognize that there are tons of great people who are Yankees fans just like there are jerks who support the Sox.
Once the Marlins lose their 2 Time World Champs Without Any Fans card we have a deal. Or do you just like Uggla?
Only way they can do that is to win it again, or get some fans. Don't know what is less impossible. Their crying poverty is more grating that any Red Sox inanities...
I'm a bandwagon fan of the Marlins. 1997 was a lousy year to jump on a bandwagon.
(Though I like several teams, you don't have to be that faithful when you're 3000 miles away. And I'm afraid of commitment... right now the Mariners are breaking my heart)
Um Chris, I hate to break this to you but they all will sign with the Leafs.
Of course they're just waiting for them to ripen first. Once they hit their 39th birthday they are ours!
At least the Canucks have been in the finals a few times in the recent past. We win a playoff round and things get crazy.
Best Regards
John
Road fans may only clap politely, and must applaud along with the home crowd when the home team makes a nice play.
The road team and their fans are guests: guests must behave accordingly.
At least the Canucks have been in the finals a few times in the recent past.
1994 was 13 years ago. I was 10
Watch out for Celtic Pride to make a loud, annoying comeback this season if things go the way people think.
13 years ago IS recent history
The last time the Leafs were in a final I was -16 years old
My dad was still in high school
And Lew Burdette was still pitching
You'd think an Oilers/Flames Stanley Cup Final would be a big deal, considering they play in the same conference.
Actually, as a Red Wings fan I'm not too happy with either Alberta hockey team. At least they play in a place where ice actually actually exists...unlike Anaheim, Tampa Bay or Carolina, to name but three of the pretenders to the Wings' throne.
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