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ESPN Chicago: Reinsdorf: Put Thomas in HOF

Reinsdorf on the diamond…where Ray Liotta rules!

Saying it would be “a disgrace” if Frank Thomas was not a first-ballot Hall of Famer, White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf called his former slugger one of the best right-handed hitters in the game.

“I never saw Joe Jackson, he was a little before my time,” Reinsdorf said by phone following Thomas’ retirement from baseball. “I started following baseball in 1945 and the only right-handed hitter I’ve seen since then that I would put in the same class as Frank is [Cardinals’ slugger] Albert Pujols. I can’t imagine he doesn’t get into the Hall of Fame right away.”

...As for Thomas’ legacy as a slugger never suspected of steroid use, Reinsdorf added, “He should have won a third MVP,” referring to 2000, when Thomas was edged out in the balloting by Jason Giambi, who later admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs that season.

Reinsdorf addressed the criticism Thomas favored drawing a walk rather than trying to drive a runner in.

“That’s what they used to day about Ted Williams also,” he said. “He took a lot of walks but the fact is, if you’re swinging at bad pitches, you’re not as good a hitter. The thing about Frank that was amazing was that a player that size had the plate discipline he had.”

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   1. Tommy in CT Posted: February 13, 2010 at 02:15 PM (#3459858)
I'm not sure why Reinsdorf would even feel it necessary to say this. Is there any doubt that Thomas will be a first-ballot HOFer?

But Reinsdorf kind of slights such post-'45 righthanders as Mays, Aaron and Robinson when he cites Pujols as Thomas's only equal. Thomas may have been better during his peak (i.e., '90 to '97), but Mays, Aaron and Robinson continued to be consistently great hitters well into their 30's, whereas Thomas experienced a marked decline.

I guess this is more a commentary on Pujols' standing than Thomas'. Maintaining a 172 OPS+ over nine years, as Albert has, is a great achievement, but is it greater than maintaining a mid-160s OPS+ for 13, 14 or 15 years, as Robinson, Mays and Aaron did?

Pujols may end up being the greatest righthanded hitter of the modern era, but to accord him this status already, as apparently Reinsdorf does, seems a bit premature.
   2. Los Angeles ALBERT F. PUJOLS of Anaheim Posted: February 13, 2010 at 04:18 PM (#3459903)
Maintaining a 172 OPS+ over nine years, as Albert has, is a great achievement, but is it greater than maintaining a mid-160s OPS+ for 13, 14 or 15 years, as Robinson, Mays and Aaron did?
While playing more challenging defensive positions to boot. I don't think Reinsdorf meant for this to be anything other than a shout-out to Thomas to let him know that his old owner still appreciates all that he did for the ChiSox for so long.
   3. The Curly W Theory Posted: February 13, 2010 at 07:53 PM (#3459976)
When I read Reinsdorf's comments, I immediately took him to be referring to Thomas' peak ability, not the entire arc of his career. Read in that light, I think it's a more defensible comment.
   4. 92-93 Posted: February 13, 2010 at 08:01 PM (#3459977)
Is there any doubt that Thomas will be a first-ballot HOFer?


If Roberto Alomar wasn't a first-ballot HOFer, I think there should be doubts about Thomas being one.
   5. Harvey Berkman Posted: February 13, 2010 at 08:18 PM (#3459982)
If Roberto Alomar wasn't a first-ballot HOFer, I think there should be doubts about Thomas being one.


Maybe if he'd had Reinsdorf's blessing he would've. I mean, he played for the Sox twice and all...
   6. Harvey Berkman Posted: February 13, 2010 at 08:48 PM (#3459988)
Rob Neyer asked "if you had just one ballot, would you vote for Glavine or Frank Thomas?". Couldn't come up with rapid-fire answer for that one. Without looking at any numbers, I'd be inclined to say Glavine, since he was so successful in a big-hitter era and CY's, but Frank's also got all the glittery numbers to go with back-to-back MVP's. I think Glavine was fantastic year in and year out from 1991 to about the time he went to New York, while Frank had a bit of a slump as he approached his 30's.
   7. Kiko Sakata Posted: February 13, 2010 at 09:03 PM (#3459998)
Rob Neyer asked "if you had just one ballot, would you vote for Glavine or Frank Thomas?". Couldn't come up with rapid-fire answer for that one.


I would have thought that was Frank Thomas in a slam dunk. Tom Glavine was only the 5th-best starting pitcher of his generation (and maybe 6th-best pitcher, depending on your view of Mariano Rivera). At his peak, the debate about Frank Thomas was whether he was the greatest right-handed hitter in major-league history. Granted, Thomas brought absolutely nothing else to the table besides his hitting, but hitting's pretty damn important. And in no way is this meant to suggest that Tom Glavine is anything other than an obvious first-ballot Hall-of-Famer. He's just no Frank Thomas.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: February 13, 2010 at 09:56 PM (#3460010)
If Roberto Alomar wasn't a first-ballot HOFer, I think there should be doubts about Thomas being one.


Roberto Alomar was as close as you can get without making it, despite a cliff dive end to his career and a rather unfortunate incident that many remember. I don't think his HoF case is quite as strong as Frank's.

I'm kind of surprised at Reinsdorf remarks and Rob's post along the same lines. There's no need to start building the Big Hurt's case. The only thing that could possibly deter his first-ballot election is the possible candidate logjam from preceding years. He's a lock for Cooperstown.
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