Well, it's not like he's going to say Pedro's the best one he ever saw.... (both because of the fight and because he was not nearly as good against the Yanks as against the rest of the non-Daddy league).

IP ERA H R ER HR BB IBB SO

216.2 3.20 170 79 77 17 63 2 261 ...this is Pedro against the NYY's.

2735.2 2.86 2113 957 870 226 735 29 3075 ...this is Pedro against everybody together.

Yeah, not nearly as good.

/rolls eyes

Did you ever notice that Don Zimmer was funny looking?

Zimmer's a complete degenerate gambler as well as being very funny looking.

Zimmer's a complete degenerate gambler as well as being very funny looking.

And he's got a steel plate in his head. He's the real triple-crown.

Yeah, not nearly as good.

/rolls eyes

11-11 ...this is Pedro against the NYY's.

212-96 ...this is Pedro against everybody together.

216.2 3.20 170 79 77 17 63 2 261 ...this is Pedro against the NYY's.

2735.2 2.86 2113 957 870 226 735 29 3075 ...this is Pedro against everybody together.

But "everybody together" includes (a) his learning curve in the National League and (b) his decline phase in the National League.

The years he was with Boston were almost all prime.

During those years, he went 117-37, for a 76% winning percentage.

During those years, his ERA was 2.52

Against the Yankees -- not quite so good.

Well, it's not like he's going to say Pedro's the best one he ever saw.... (both because of the fight and because he was not nearly as good against the Yanks as against the rest of the non-Daddy league).

Perhaps he didn't say Pedro because he saw both Martinez and Koufax, and in his opinion, Koufax was better?

Your opinion on this must be incredible: best player ever?

This wins an ESPY for Most Ignorant Use of the Word "Incredible".

Srul Itza, Exactly (and no need to roll eyes, either).

Vortex, Perhaps, but isn't it interesting how old time players never thing younger players were better than older players? Zim doesn't even MENTION Pedro....

Zimmer is a degenerate gambler? This is the first I heard of this. Or is this just because you are bitter about the 70s Sox? I thought you old guys let 1978 go when 2004 happened?

Maybe he meant "your opinion must be credible"?

Maybe he meant "your opinion must be credible"?

I'm old enough to remember way back when "incredible" meant "lacking credibility", i.e., hard to believe. Nowadays, it seems to mean something like "amazing". Youth, all on my lawn and sh*t.

Zimmer is a degenerate gambler? This is the first I heard of this. Or is this just because you are bitter about the 70s Sox? I thought you old guys let 1978 go when 2004 happened?

He talks about gambling a lot in his autobiography. Apparently he's been gambling pretty steadily since the 50's, and according to him it's not a problem. He basically says something to the effect of "it's my money, I'll spend it how I want to".

Ah, degenerate must mean different things to different people then.

Don Zimmer is not a smart man.

It takes one to know one.

Know what? A smart man? Thank you.

Zimmer is a degenerate gambler? This is the first I heard of this. Or is this just because you are bitter about the 70s Sox? I thought you old guys let 1978 go when 2004 happened?

Zimmer had the entire Sox team and coaches, etc. grab something like a 4AM flight so he could get to the race track
the next afternoon in the next road city, I read in the last year or so somewhere.

So, if that's true, his MLB baseball team was less well-rested so he could make his surely bone-headed,
losing bets, at least on one occasion. That sure qualifies as degenerate for me.

The guy's a jerk. And don't get me started on the whole "Buffalo Heads" bit...
Carbo was one of my favorite Sox players, and would have come in handy for the 1978 stretch run,
the painful memory of which was washed away by the utter gutless collapse of your team
in 2004, yes indeed.

Nice try, again.

Zimmer's a complete degenerate gambler as well as being very funny looking.

Does he use the Sheets? sj, Zimmer was known as a horseplayer. As for the post-75 Red Sox not being able to get back to the WS, I hold LeRoux, Sullivan, and JRY more responsible than Zimmer. You do not fire Dick O'Connell just because you don't like him, Jean.

what was I trying to do?

I don't get the bitterness. A jayhawk friend of mine and I were talking about this after they won the tourney this year. All his anger at Gerry McNamara sort of went away when they won the big one. The mention of Keith Smart no longer makes me cringe.

He's far too dumb for the Sheets, GGC!

what was I trying to do?

Nudge some kind of salient point through the fuzzy haze of yet another crippling hangover?

Not bitter, no bitterness. Just pointing out some stuff about ol' Zip Zimmer.

Fair enough.

You don't have to be bitter to recognize Zimmer as a knucklehead, as he most clearly is.

And BTW, one could argue that hanging up a 3.20 ERA vs the NNY's during those years was
in actuality pitching just as well as 2.52 vs everybody else. Those teams could hit a little you know.

Zimmer had the entire Sox team and coaches, etc. grab something like a 4AM flight so he could get to the race track the next afternoon in the next road city, I read in the last year or so somewhere.

In fairness, the man does have a steel plate in his head, so being admitted through airport security takes forever.

And BTW, one could argue that hanging up a 3.20 ERA vs the NNY's during those years was
in actuality pitching just as well as 2.52 vs everybody else. Those teams could hit a little you know.

Park and era factors aside, a 3.20 ERA is not as good as a 2.52 ERA. An ace, like Pedro used to be, is supposed to be able to defeat even the toughest lineups.