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Monday, May 19, 2008

ESPN: Neyer: Did Josh Gibson hit one out of Yankee Stadium?

Neyer getting a well deserved mega-poosh from ESPN today…

It seems likely that if Gibson really had hit the ball completely out of the ballpark, somebody at the time would have written about it, or Gibson would have later bragged about it. But it also seems likely that Gibson’s 1930 home run (and perhaps the 1934 homer) ranks as one of the longest ever hit at Yankee Stadium, along with two blasts hit by Frank Howard (one of the strongest hitters ever), and a famous homer by Mickey Mantle in 1963 that came within a few inches of leaving the stadium well beyond right field.

Teammate Buck Leonard later said, “Nobody hit the ball as far as Gibson. I didn’t see the one he is supposed to have hit out of Yankee Stadium. But I saw him hit a ball one night in the Polo Grounds that went between the upper deck and lower deck and out of the stadium. Later the night watchman came in and asked, ‘Who hit the damn ball out there?’ He said it landed on the El. It must have gone 600 feet.”

...At some point the anecdotal evidence simply becomes overwhelming, even if we know some of the anecdotes are less than 100 percent “true.” I doubt that Josh Gibson ever hit a baseball completely out of old Yankee Stadium. But I don’t doubt for a minute that Gibson could hit a ball just about as far as anybody.

And from Rob’s sensational, hard-hitting, tracerific new book!...Excerpt: Thurman Munson and Carlton Fisk.

Repoz Posted: May 19, 2008 at 03:38 PM | 24 comment(s)
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   1. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 02:55 PM (#2786487)
In the biography I read of Gibson by Ribowsky, he debunks the story of Gibson hitting one out of the stadium. He supposedly came damn close, though.
   2. The Good Face  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 03:12 PM (#2786518)
What a lot of folks don't realize is that the Moon is actually just a baseball ol' Josh Gibson hit into orbit back in '31. He got himself popped up and it just never came down. Been up there accretin' space dust and ice ever since. True story.
   3. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 03:38 PM (#2786546)
Been up there accretin' space dust and ice ever since. True story.

Heheh. That may be the first ever recorded use of accretin'
   4. McCoy  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 03:46 PM (#2786559)
   5. RichardMNixon  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 03:50 PM (#2786566)
I heard on BET that debunking Negro League myths is a form of racism.
   6. yb125  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 04:29 PM (#2786607)
Hmm that would imply that BET had some intrest in propping up Black Culture, which ummm no.
   7. Run Joe Run (Illonardo)  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 04:56 PM (#2786631)
I have gone through Neyer's new book cover to cover. It is excellent. When I read the Lasorda tale - of course I assumed it was BS - but whoa! Not all of Tommy's talk is hyperbole.
   8. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66)  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 05:15 PM (#2786648)
I heard on BET that debunking Negro League myths is a form of racism.

wait a minute--you mean to tell me that Cool Papa Bell DIDN'T hit a grounder up the middle that hit him in the ass as he was sliding in second??
   9. AndrewJ  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2786681)
Another great book by Mr. Neyer.

In Mike Shannon's BASEBALL: A WRITER'S GAME, Ty Cobb/Rogers Hornsby biographer Charles Alexander says that historians should ALWAYS be careful when interviewing

a) old people, especially

b) old ballplayers and particularly

c) old Negro Leaguers

because in the absence of complete stats and documentation, it's all too easy to get lured in by an old-timer who says, "I struck out Babe Ruth 10 times in a row."

That seems to be the case with Josh Gibson and Yankee Stadium.


BTW, wasn't there something in a SABR publication about Frank Howard with the Senators (c. 1970) hitting a high foul ball -- that many observers and a few reporters thought just might have been fair -- out of the old Stadium?
   10. Gonfalon Bubble  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 06:16 PM (#2786691)
wait a minute--you mean to tell me that Cool Papa Bell DIDN'T hit a grounder up the middle that hit him in the ass as he was sliding in second??

I'm afraid so. However, Cool Papa DID once flip off the lightswitch in his hotel, and then race back across the room so fast that he defeated the Anti-Monitor and prevented the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
   11. walt williams bobblehead  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 06:16 PM (#2786692)
Oh come on. They never call fair balls foul in Yankee Stadium.
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66)  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 06:19 PM (#2786695)
BTW, wasn't there something in a SABR publication about Frank Howard with the Senators (c. 1970) hitting a high foul ball -- that many observers and a few reporters thought just might have been fair -- out of the old Stadium?

it was in the 63 series (when Hondo was with the Dodgers)--both Kubek & Bobby Richardson said they thought the ball was fair and were relieved when the ump called it foul

it was so high that, frankly, it was just a guess on everyone's part
   13. AndrewJ  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#2786704)
I disntinctly remember a SABR article about Frank Howard almost hitting another fair ball out of Yankee Stadium. It was a night game and he was definitely with Washington...
   14. Dag Nabbit: formerly tolerant of lactose  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 06:37 PM (#2786710)
I'm afraid so. However, Cool Papa DID once flip off the lightswitch in his hotel, and then race back across the room so fast that he defeated the Anti-Monitor and prevented the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Actually, there's apparently some truth to the ol' he turned a light switch off & got under the sheet before it was dark.

A hotel they were staying at had a bad circuit in the switch and it didn't turn on/off right away, but had a few seconds lag time. Bell got in the room first, noticed it & realized he could win a bet with this info - so he did. The story's presented as a he's-so-fast, but it was really a clever con. That's why I think it's true - you could see how the teammates would start telling it, and how it would tranform over the years.
   15. Sheer Tim Foli  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 07:47 PM (#2786839)
I believe they were talking about Cool Papa and the light switch before the "bad circuit" hotel. He was just happy he could finally live up to the reputation.
   16. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..)  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2786877)
We don't have complete Negro League schedules, or statistics, or box scores. At least not where they're accessible.


Hang on. Am I reading too much into this, or is Rob implying he's heard there's a cache or trove of these things out there somewhere?
   17. Misirlou had a hedge back home in the suburbs  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 08:11 PM (#2786892)
That's the thing about the old ballplayers: They were very slow! Today, it's like a track meet out there. Players are flying around the bases like gazelles. But in my day, the players lumbered around in their heavy woolen uniforms like President Taft after a big meal. The slowest of them all was Harry "Three-Toed" Vaughan, a first baseman with the Washington Senators. Legend had it, he could turn off a lightswitch in his bedroom and be in bed 35 seconds later. A guy like that wouldn't stand a chance in today's game.
   18. Russlan wants Pedro to be a Met again  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2786934)
Hmm that would imply that BET had some intrest in propping up Black Culture, which ummm no.

What show has done more to further the black man's cause than the Uncle Ruckus reality show?
   19. Textbook Editor  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 10:17 PM (#2787190)
#16--I recall reading somewhere that the Hall of Fame (or some wing/research group within the HoF) had some kind of trove of Negro League stuff they were working their way through organizing, but I certainly could be remembering this wrong.
   20. vortex of dissipation  Posted: May 19, 2008 at 10:49 PM (#2787217)
#16--I recall reading somewhere that the Hall of Fame (or some wing/research group within the HoF) had some kind of trove of Negro League stuff they were working their way through organizing, but I certainly could be remembering this wrong.


That's my understanding, also. They released quite detailed statistics regarding the players who were nominated for the 2006 special election for Negro Leaguers, but otherwise, they have not released the information to the public.
   21. KJOK  Posted: May 20, 2008 at 12:41 AM (#2787295)
I recall reading somewhere that the Hall of Fame (or some wing/research group within the HoF) had some kind of trove of Negro League stuff they were working their way through organizing, but I certainly could be remembering this wrong.


Yes, the Hall of Fame is sitting on it, trying to get an encyclopedia deal, but apparently no publishers think the project will generate a profit.
   22. Jeff K.  Posted: May 20, 2008 at 01:47 AM (#2787314)
A hotel they were staying at had a bad circuit in the switch and it didn't turn on/off right away, but had a few seconds lag time. Bell got in the room first, noticed it & realized he could win a bet with this info - so he did.

Really? Then he had some dumbass teammates, or they thought he was. Why on earth would anyone suggest this bet *without* knowledge of something like that?
   23. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory)  Posted: May 20, 2008 at 08:06 AM (#2787367)
Why on earth would anyone suggest this bet *without* knowledge of something like that?

Police suspect alcohol was involved.
   24. gef the talking mongoose  Posted: May 20, 2008 at 09:07 AM (#2787447)
he defeated the Anti-Monitor and prevented the Crisis on Infinite Earths.


As long as Power Girl still survived, 's'all good.
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