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Baseball Primer Newsblog— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand
Monday, May 19, 2008
Neyer getting a well deserved mega-poosh from ESPN today…
It seems likely that if Gibson really had hit the ball completely out of the ballpark, somebody at the time would have written about it, or Gibson would have later bragged about it. But it also seems likely that Gibson’s 1930 home run (and perhaps the 1934 homer) ranks as one of the longest ever hit at Yankee Stadium, along with two blasts hit by Frank Howard (one of the strongest hitters ever), and a famous homer by Mickey Mantle in 1963 that came within a few inches of leaving the stadium well beyond right field.
Teammate Buck Leonard later said, “Nobody hit the ball as far as Gibson. I didn’t see the one he is supposed to have hit out of Yankee Stadium. But I saw him hit a ball one night in the Polo Grounds that went between the upper deck and lower deck and out of the stadium. Later the night watchman came in and asked, ‘Who hit the damn ball out there?’ He said it landed on the El. It must have gone 600 feet.”
...At some point the anecdotal evidence simply becomes overwhelming, even if we know some of the anecdotes are less than 100 percent “true.” I doubt that Josh Gibson ever hit a baseball completely out of old Yankee Stadium. But I don’t doubt for a minute that Gibson could hit a ball just about as far as anybody.
And from Rob’s sensational, hard-hitting, tracerific new book!...Excerpt: Thurman Munson and Carlton Fisk.
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Heheh. That may be the first ever recorded use of accretin'
wait a minute--you mean to tell me that Cool Papa Bell DIDN'T hit a grounder up the middle that hit him in the ass as he was sliding in second??
In Mike Shannon's BASEBALL: A WRITER'S GAME, Ty Cobb/Rogers Hornsby biographer Charles Alexander says that historians should ALWAYS be careful when interviewing
a) old people, especially
b) old ballplayers and particularly
c) old Negro Leaguers
because in the absence of complete stats and documentation, it's all too easy to get lured in by an old-timer who says, "I struck out Babe Ruth 10 times in a row."
That seems to be the case with Josh Gibson and Yankee Stadium.
BTW, wasn't there something in a SABR publication about Frank Howard with the Senators (c. 1970) hitting a high foul ball -- that many observers and a few reporters thought just might have been fair -- out of the old Stadium?
I'm afraid so. However, Cool Papa DID once flip off the lightswitch in his hotel, and then race back across the room so fast that he defeated the Anti-Monitor and prevented the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
it was in the 63 series (when Hondo was with the Dodgers)--both Kubek & Bobby Richardson said they thought the ball was fair and were relieved when the ump called it foul
it was so high that, frankly, it was just a guess on everyone's part
Actually, there's apparently some truth to the ol' he turned a light switch off & got under the sheet before it was dark.
A hotel they were staying at had a bad circuit in the switch and it didn't turn on/off right away, but had a few seconds lag time. Bell got in the room first, noticed it & realized he could win a bet with this info - so he did. The story's presented as a he's-so-fast, but it was really a clever con. That's why I think it's true - you could see how the teammates would start telling it, and how it would tranform over the years.
Hang on. Am I reading too much into this, or is Rob implying he's heard there's a cache or trove of these things out there somewhere?
What show has done more to further the black man's cause than the Uncle Ruckus reality show?
That's my understanding, also. They released quite detailed statistics regarding the players who were nominated for the 2006 special election for Negro Leaguers, but otherwise, they have not released the information to the public.
Yes, the Hall of Fame is sitting on it, trying to get an encyclopedia deal, but apparently no publishers think the project will generate a profit.
Really? Then he had some dumbass teammates, or they thought he was. Why on earth would anyone suggest this bet *without* knowledge of something like that?
Police suspect alcohol was involved.
As long as Power Girl still survived, 's'all good.
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