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Thursday, February 26, 2009
It’s just…staggering.
Boston Red Sox
Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski, Pedro Martinez, David Ortiz
Rationale: A long roll call of options, including Cy Young, Tris Speaker, Wade Boggs, Nomar Garciaparra (before the fans turned on him) and ... some guy named Clemens. Sorry, Roger, but you’re still persona non grata in Beantown.
I didn’t think it was possible to read something dumber and more nonsensical than Reilly’s “Let’s arbitrarily reward the MVPs” article within the next month, much less within two days and on the same site.
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1. Inner Light
2. A whole mess of Q-pisodes
I think you nailed why I like him...I tend to be drawn to losers. Luckily for me I'm a Jays fan!
This is the one thing I've picked up from watching them all in order that you miss in syndication. They do a good job of stringing along subtle storylines. Like they actually introduce the emerging Borg threat at the end of Season one, but don't reveal who the Borg are until season two...then they finally arrive at the end of season three.
I still read Dune every couple years, and though the later books in that series got a little....weird, the first one still seems like an excellent book to me. Is it considered a significant science fiction book?
I had him before Dick, but then replaced him. DUNE is about as pantheon as you can get, but the books after that engender nerd debate that makes this Watchmen movie thing look like a tea party. I loved the first one, and unlike everyone else who gets all up in arms about 4, 5, and 6, I found Dune Messiah and Children of Dune to be incredibly tiresome. It may be subjective as I'm not really a "spiritual" type and Herbert was lauded for his creation of the religion there.
Also, Herbert's other output has been sadly tossed aside with how incredible and popular DUNE was. The Destination: Void series and Dosadi Incident among them are quite good.
While much of what Herbert's son did with the Dune universe has been rightfully reviled, I actually found the 10,000-years-before prequel books to be pretty fun in a space-opera origin barn-burner kind of way. Those worked, if little else Herbert and Anderson did.
Heinlein is clearly the best of the ones you mentioned.
Actually, I didn't mention Heinlein, someone else did. I thought he was kind of a hack, in an Ayn Rand "I GET THE POINT" way. That being said, I read two books and 2 or 3 short stories, all of which I hated, so I'll grant sample size.
Two others who could have (should have?) made the Mount are Bradbury and Ellison.
Beef, chicken, porn, and emu.
In my sci-fi experience Bear kind of falls into a middle place of authors who became popular for a certain 80's/90's style of writing but didn't make the next-level step to get them spoken about in a "Oooooh yeah, that guy" way. Whehter or not that's entirely fair, I'm not sure, as he did do deservedly well. Hall of Very Good, I guess.
I stand by the original.
Blood Music.
I think you have to go back to either Wells or Verne.
Tolkien has to be on it. Dump Howard or Burroughs and put on George R.R. Martin. He is one of the best writers I have ever read, period, let alone fantasy writers.
Also, where does H.P. Lovecraft fit? Fantasy or Sci-Fi? Or does he get a mountain of his own with Clark Ashton Smith?
And for sheer influence, though more as an editor, you might consider John Campbell. Actually, do really do the subject justice you probably just need to have a Golden Age and previous SF Rushmore, and another for everyone since then.
Hari Seldon
Paul Atriedes
James Tiberius Kirk
Ender Wiggin
Hard to do judge present history, really. Hell, even Ellison and Bradbury are still living.
For fantasy I think it's Tolkien for sure, then probably Howard, maybe Leiber? Zelazny's a good choice. I guess Gene Wolfe's SF not fantasy. The problem I have with Martin is that it's to early to include him. What if he dropped dead tomorrow? You have to wait until his epic is complete before you evaluate him.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/34_eisenhower/eisenhower_politics.html
And:
http://www.justicelearning.org/justice_timeline/ArticlesTimeline.aspx?id=3&Section=13&TimelineID=74&TimelineEventID=1894
And:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Eisenhower+McCarthyism+executive+privilege&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYA
I note that the defenders of Truman do not address my points that Truman was unfit temperamentally t be president, and was incompetent to boot. That he and Acheson established the Viet Nam scheme of response to communist aggression in all its ignominy. I’ll give you the UN and the Marshall Plan, for what it’s worth—as if those two things wouldn’t have come about anyway. That, along with his feckless civil rights efforts, would redound to the credit of a professor at Harvard (assuming Truman had the brains to be a Harvard professor—well I guess I just negated my example), but good ideas are hardly even a start in politics. Eisenhower, on the other hand, his entire professional life, was the apotheosis of competence, of going about figuring out the best way to do something and then organizing how to do it. And there has been no politician in history who was less a ######## poseur and posturer. Truman was the consummate grandstander, all too often about things he was powerless to effect or alter. Truman blustered about McCarthy; Eisenhower bided his time. Truman gave his Flip Wilson Rev. LeRoy sermons on civil rights; Eisenhower actually desegregated the military and the District of Columbia. The difference, besides McCarthy, is also perfectly personified in the way he handled Faubus and the integration in Arkansas. No one at the time had the prestige to do what he did without greater blowback resulting. He gave Faubus every opportunity to save face and come to terms, thus showing the Feds in the best possible light to the objective and the moderate. When he saw it wouldn’t gunna happen, Faubus was intent on grandstanding like so man, he didn’t preen and posture. Faubus just woke one day to find the 101st airborne at the foot of his bed.
What lofty standards you have, as long as they apply to pointless endeavors and empty gestures. Where was he the last six months of his term? Rarely, if ever, has a president faded into the woodwork so sheepishly. Bushco didn’t even keep track of the money they were throwing away at companies, had no idea how to approach a solution to the economic problem, and was simply looking to get out as fast as he could. Yeah, we can all agree he wanted the next administration in there as soon and smoothly as possible. Ain't nobody here but us chickens, boss. If he had been the pilot of that airliner that took to the river, his first and only priority would have been to be the first one out and into the lifeboat.
Are we not allowing solo artists? Because Bowie belongs somewhere in here.
Wyoming thanks you for your endorsement. #1 & #2 woo hoo!
Oh, it was about MOUNT Rushmore.
Chaplin, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Spielberg
I'm actually not a big Spielberg fan, but I can't deny his enormous impact on the industry.
I don't know. Billy Wilder has to be on a Rushmore of directors.
Wow. I love Kurosawa's films, but I believe that Kubrick has, quite simply, the finest collection of films ever made.
But if anyone can challenge him, it's Kurosawa.
But no, #### that miserable twit.
Chaplin, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Spielberg
Kurosawa, Rohmer, Hitchcock, Scorsese
Mt. Rushmore of actors (male)-
Bogart, Grant, DeNiro, Mitchum
Mt. Rushmore of actresses -
Stanwyck, Loy, Bette Davis, Judy Davis
Hey, any subjectivity here? Perish the thought.
Abu Simbel
Mount Rushmore
Stone Mountain
Crazy Horse Memorial
My list is not exhaustive.
The Tragically Hip, The Band, The Guess Who, Sloan
very subjective...Rush should probably be on there, but I don't like them very much, don't really like the Guess Who either. And I like Joel Plaskett more than any of the others...but there are limits!
I like this group better than the last one.
I understand subjective lists, but doesn't that subvert the purpose? I had to include Dick in mine even if I liked Herbert better. Leaving off Rush for the Tragically Hip for Canada seems kind of sad.
Solo:
Clapton, Bowie, Elton John, Cat Stevens.
Joseph Cotten, Steven Hill, M. Emmet Walsh, Tom Wilkinson
Television, Supporting Role actors, comedy, male:
Phil Hartman (as Hutz/McClure/McNeal), Jason Alexander (as Costanza), Art Carney (as Norton), Harvey Korman (any role)
Oscar Charleston, Satchel Paige, Josh Gibson, Buck Leonard
Rocko, Doug, The Brain, Arnold
I'd substitute Rube Foster for Buck, but the other 3 can't be argued with.
See 254. The only one you could think about bumping is Buck Leonard.
One of them should probably be on there, because I've heard it was a great show, but since I didn't watch 'em, I didn't put 'em. That show always creeped me out. Something about the animation made me feel dirty.
I just spoke to Geordi and he said he's going to run a full-scale diagnostic as to why this is so.
I think Cool Papa Bell or Buck O'Neil might have to be considered as ambassadors for the 4th spot.
I don't kow, RR, for a while there Rube Foster WAS the NL. And he was a great player, too. In my mind, you start a Rushmore of the Negro Leagues with Rube.
With Rube, that sounds like the perfect four. Only Pop Lloyd has an argument to be included from the leftovers.
Man... I realize its been more than 30 years since the Stones made a great album - and even their OK albums since then are generally good only by normal band standards - but that peak from the late 60s through Exile (or Sticky Fingers, if you like) is just so phenomenal that I still thinks its criminal to leave them off the list.
I think I already said: I get it. You don't like GW Bush. Blah blah blah.
Edit: I try not to engage with someone using the phrase, "Bushco." My apologies to the board for fanning this unbalanced flame once already.
I'd probably replace Wile E with Foghorn Leghorn, the Road Runner or Tweety (though its arguable), but the other three are a given.
Bacon. Ham. Pork chops.
Pork, Beef, Lamb, Duck
My personal 4:
Bugs, Marvin the Martian, Wile E., Yosemite Sam
This is more the Mount Rushmore of pig.
Sure, Lassus. This wonderful, magical animal the pig.
If you making it a monster overall British Rock list, then the Stones beat Pink Floyd easily. The Kinks run from Face To Face through Muswell Hillbillies is like Pedro's peak.
Cow, Pig, Duck and, of course...
The most dangerous game.
Bacon, Bacon, Bacon, and more Bacon.
I will admit that Floyd over Stones kind of ruins my own "subjective" argument from before. Of those four, I can see certainly see leaving off Floyd for the Stones, even if I don't like them. Between the Beatles and the Kinks I personally find them a very very distant third. BUT, again, by my own theories, they probably shouldn't be left off.
I've driven all over Wyoming, more than a few times, and I will say, few stretches, if any, of major U.S. highways, or interstates are more remote in the continental U.S. than the 100 miles between Casper and Shoshoni, WY. I imagine the moon being like that stretch of road.
I'm not talking about an off the beaten path, dirt road, this is a U.S. Highway.
Even with those types of stretches, the State can lay claim to two of the most beautiful areas in the entire world, IMO.
Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Hegel.
Rushmore of American authors -
Twain, Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Pynchon.
No other singer or group had the impact those four had in popular musical history.
Louis Armstrong? Duke Ellington? Al Jolson? Hank Williams? Hank Williams is as important to large swathes of the US as Frank Sinatra. Based on record sells of the last 20 years, we might have to put Run D.M.C. on this list!
I remember an old tidbit where "Stars & Stripes" polled a bunch of soldiers serving in World War II overseas who their favorite recording artist was. Sinatra and Williams were neck-and-neck.
You just made my "Pot meet Kettle" Mt. Rushmore, Shooty...
Civ2, Galactic Civilizations, Hearts of Iron 2, OOTP6.5 (if sports sims can slide in as a "strategy" title).
New Order's decline phase was a lot steeper, sadly. Loved them, too, however.
Twain, Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Pynchon.
I don't favor Hemingway, but wouldn't leave him off. I don't feel that Fitzgerald belongs, but am not entirely sure yet who to replace him with. I'm leaning towards Millay, but that's probably not right either.
Good call on Hank Williams and Duke Ellington.
we might have to put Run D.M.C. on this list!
I could have made a run at a Mount Rapmoore in 1995 probably, but not now, I'm too out of it. Anyone?
Then I have accomlished something today. God knows I didn't do any work or finish the Fixed Income section of Security Analysis like I should have.
I stand by New Order over Pink Floyd, though. I'm digging in like Beano about college football on this one.
The British Rushmore CLEARLY can only include The Beatles, Stones, Who, and Kinks (though I'll accept arguments about the Kinks). It's about founding fathers, for chrissakes. Anyone attempting to substitute something else in (New Order?? I LOVE New Order, but really now...) is merely being cheeky and subjective.
This is pretty much exactly my thinking. I actually don't like either Hemingway or Fitzgerald, but it's hard to deny their impact.
I'm trying to think of a replacement for Fitzgerald - Baldwin? DeLillo?
Then I acquiesce!
Arty Anglospheric Cult Artists: Scott Walker, Nick Drake, Nick Cave, Richard Thompson
Glammers: Bowie, Roxy Music, Bolan/T-Rex, Slade
Post-Punk Visionaries: Wire, Magazine, The Cure, R.E.M.
Americana Rock-Folksters: The Band, The Byrds, Neil Young, Buffalo Springfield
Pioneering Hardcore Motherf*ckers: Black Flag, Husker Du, Minor Threat, Bad Brains
The Who are terrible. Most horribly overrated band from the 60's. And if you are talking about British rock bands, there are none better than Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd.
Run D.M.C., Public Enemy, N.W.A., and Biggie
Whitman
Dickenson
Pound
Ginsberg
I have everything ever released by Zep and Floyd (and a shitton of the unreleased stuff), and I respect them greatly. But Floyd alternated experimental intrigue with some of the most BORING music imaginable, and Zeppelin were too one-note to qualify. Even when they did genre experiments, they could never escape from Plant's screech (which works well enough on their particular hard-rock niche) and Page's sloppy guitar and perfectionist arrangements.
That honor probably goes to The Doors, although The Rolling Stones rank highly, as well.
I will not leave off Fletcher Henderson. Herman has to go.
Hmmm... This one is tough.
Ellington, Dorsey, Henderson, Calloway
Ugh. Leaving off Goodman seems awful, but I can't lose anyone else. I'll accept arguments for Goodman over Dorsey.
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