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Thursday, February 26, 2009

ESPN: Schoenfield: Who makes the the Mount Rushmores of the AL teams?

It’s just…staggering. 

Boston Red Sox
Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski, Pedro Martinez, David Ortiz

Rationale: A long roll call of options, including Cy Young, Tris Speaker, Wade Boggs, Nomar Garciaparra (before the fans turned on him) and ... some guy named Clemens. Sorry, Roger, but you’re still persona non grata in Beantown.

I didn’t think it was possible to read something dumber and more nonsensical than Reilly’s “Let’s arbitrarily reward the MVPs” article within the next month, much less within two days and on the same site.

Jeff K. Posted: February 26, 2009 at 08:30 PM | 745 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   601. AJM Posted: March 01, 2009 at 04:27 AM (#3089276)
No one mentioned the Coens for directors?

Arrested Development characters:

G.O.B.
George Michael
Tobias
Barry Zuckercorn (he's very good)
   602. Esoteric Posted: March 01, 2009 at 04:54 AM (#3089292)
NES: Super Mario Brothers, Metroid, The Legend Of Zelda, Final Fantasy
   603. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 04:57 AM (#3089294)
NES: Super Mario Brothers 3, Metroid, The Legend Of Zelda, Final Fantasy


Fixed.
   604. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 04:59 AM (#3089295)
Ark, this is an issue of mine, and I've snarked pretty bad, sadly, so I doubt you'll take any of what I said with any weight, which is too bad.
Lassus, I do in fact take what you wrote seriously. A light comment of mine that I didn't intend to be taken seriously at all seems to have taken an interesting thread almost entirely off the rails. I should have known better, and it's something I'll try not to do again. In point of fact I thought my assertion that the oppression of women has taken an excruciating toll was my more obviously meaningful remark:
I suspect that prejudice and societal discouragement have effectively reduced the available pool of female artists since 1350 by 98% or so
It's a difficult topic and I've obviously bungled it.

How does William Shakespeare being a better writer than Virginia Woolf and the fact that you despise 1 of the 10 female authors that I named translate into a defense of this statement?
I withdraw my remark.
   605. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:00 AM (#3089296)
All right, this one is an unabashed solicitation (just started reading Battle Cry of Freedom):

Mt. Rushmore of Civil War books?
   606. Lassus: Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:01 AM (#3089297)
Done and Done, Ark, and glad of it. Thanks.

Now, how about that Lowe vs. Ollie bet? :-)
   607. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:06 AM (#3089301)
I can't quite convince myself that Shabba-Doo Quinones (as an original Locker and choreographer for one of the breakthrough breakdancing movies) is important enough.

"Gangstas flop, they go pop like Shabba-Doo!" -- Kool Keith
   608. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:08 AM (#3089303)
Something that got passed over (or I didn't see it) but seems obvious enough to me, though maybe a jazz expert would like to correct me:

Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong
   609. Baldrick Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:14 AM (#3089308)
NES: Super Mario Brothers 3, The Legend Of Zelda, Final Fantasy, RBI Baseball

Man, I love RBI Baseball.

SNES: Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Final Fantasy 2, Final Fantasy 3, Super Mario Kart
   610. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:15 AM (#3089309)
Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong


I wouldn't argue with that, though a fifth heard would be nice to include Monk.

I think there was a brief discussion about big band leaders, and I posted my Rushmore of 60s tenorists (Coltrane, Rollins, Henderson, Shorter).
   611. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:21 AM (#3089311)
Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong

He doesn't move me as much (maybe I'm not mature enough for him yet), but I think a lot of people would say Ellington has to be in there. Not sure who he displaces, however. Probably Coltrane, much as it hurts me to say it. The Coltrane Quartet in the first half of the '60s is probably my favorite jazz group.
   612. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:28 AM (#3089318)
Now, how about that Lowe vs. Ollie bet? :-)
Details, my friend? 'Course, we may have to check back in four years, since that was what it took to get Lowe, and four years would make the bet particularly interesting. I'll take Lowe overall, even with the likely decline in 2011 and 2012.
   613. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:30 AM (#3089319)
He doesn't move me as much (maybe I'm not mature enough for him yet), but I think a lot of people would say Ellington has to be in there. Not sure who he displaces, however. Probably Coltrane, much as it hurts me to say it. The Coltrane Quartet in the first half of the '60s is probably my favorite jazz group.


Agreed, and that's the shortcoming of having a four-headed monument. You probably need Ellington in there, for being a seminal jazz figure and also to represent big band/jazz orchestra.
   614. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:31 AM (#3089320)
The Mt. Rushmore of Seinfeld episodes needs to be, like, 25 deep. Impossible to narrow that show down to four episodes.

At least 25, but if I had to choose 10:

The Contest

The Soup Nazi

The India Wedding (the one with the reverse chronology)

"Not that there's anything wrong with that" (can't remember the exact title)

The Final Episode (how anyone could like Seinfeld and not love that one is beyond me)

The Face Painter

the "Moland Springs" episode

The Subway (with George's classic "Will I see you again?" line as the ho walks out of the hotel room with his money and his clothes)

The Little Kicks

The Hop Sing Blacklisting

And pretty much any episode with J. Peterman, Jack Klompus, Uncle Leo** or (double duh) Jackie Chiles

** "I thought they were sending an Asian woman...."
   615. PreservedFish Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:40 AM (#3089327)
Sort of defeats the Rushmore purpose... not that it matters at this point as this is clearly now the culture thread
   616. Jeff K. Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:43 AM (#3089328)
For the other hip-hop fans on the page, have you seen "Rhyme and Reason"? I had it years ago on VHS and just now found it again via...um...well, I found a DVD rip. ####### excellent. Second time I've said this, but do yourself a favor if you haven't seen it. You could hate the entire documentary and it's worth it just to see the completely random bit when two hot chicks pass Chuck D doing his interview in the mall.

You can hear one of them say "Is that Dr. Dre?" D kind of turns around and looks like he's going to say something rude, and then he sees them. They move away giggling, and he says "I could be Dr. Dre."

KRS acquits himself excellently in it. And it's got everyone. Lauryn Hill and Wyclef ######## about plantation owner record execs. Nas talking about Queensbridge. BIG, Kurtis Blow, Dre (both of them, IIRC), Ice T, Chuck D, E-40, Craig Mack, Busta, Erick Sermon pulling a power trip on the phone, RZA, Raekwon, Method, Red, Q-Tip, on and on.
   617. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:44 AM (#3089329)
SNES: Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Final Fantasy 2, Final Fantasy 3, Super Mario Kart

You mean FF4 and FF6, I take it?
   618. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:45 AM (#3089331)
   619. Jeff K. Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:45 AM (#3089332)
I think the literature arguers need to look to the cookie.
   620. Lassus: Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:48 AM (#3089333)
but I think a lot of people would say Ellington has to be in there. Not sure who he displaces, however.

Agree. And Agree.

Jazz is pretty difficult, because of the eras and even instruments. If you are going to do the START, you probably gotta have Armstrong, Bix Beiderbecke, Ellington, and Bechet. James P. Johnson, Fats Waller and others I'm not cool enough to know knocking on the door. Move forward for Davis and Coltrane and Monk, farther even for Mingus, Bill Evans, etc. etc. etc..

The eras and instruments make it more difficult. Big Bands are a little easier because it was such a specific period and era.
   621. Lassus: Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:50 AM (#3089334)
Details, my friend? 'Course, we may have to check back in four years, since that was what it took to get Lowe, and four years would make the bet particularly interesting. I'll take Lowe overall, even with the likely decline in 2011 and 2012.

It has to be three years, as that's what Ollie got, and Dial offered a simple formula that I have to write down off the thread with Sam in it.
   622. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:56 AM (#3089337)
have you seen "Rhyme and Reason"?

Nah, I remember the title but not anything about it. Will try to check it out.

I'm not sure if hip-hop movies are worthy of a Mt. Rushmore, but you need to check Style Wars if you haven't seen it.
   623. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:57 AM (#3089338)
Arrested Development characters:

G.O.B.
George Michael
Tobias
Barry Zuckercorn (he's very good)

I'm sorry, but Bob Loblaw must be on this list.
   624. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:02 AM (#3089339)
Jazz by instrument:

Piano:
Bud Powell
Art Tatum
Thelonius Monk
Herbie Hancock

Tenor Sax:
John Coltrane
Sonny Rollins
Coleman Hawkins
Wayne Shorter

Alto Sax:
Charlie Parker
Ornette Coleman
Jackie McLean
Cannonball Adderly

Trumpet:
Miles Davis
Louis Armstrong
Dizzy Gillespie
Clifford Brown

Bass:
Charles Mingus
Ron Carter
Jimmy Garrison
Oscar Pettiford

Drums:
Tony Williams
Elvin Jones
Max Roach
Art Blakey
   625. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:04 AM (#3089340)
Beatboxers:
Doug E. Fresh, Biz Markie, Buffy, Rahzel
   626. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:06 AM (#3089341)
Good lists Harry. Lester Young for tenor? McCoy Tyner for piano?

I won't take the responsibility of deciding who gets replaced...
   627. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:08 AM (#3089342)
TV informercials:

Ron Popiel Electric Food Dehydrater
Magic Bullet
Deal-A-Meal
Time Life 70s Classic Soft Rock Hits (starring Air Supply)
   628. Jeff K. Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:12 AM (#3089344)
Harry's list in 654 is the most inarguable in the entire thread.
   629. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:12 AM (#3089345)
Guitar:
Charlie Christian
Freddie Green
Wes Montgomery
Jim Hall
   630. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:13 AM (#3089346)
Lester Young for tenor? McCoy Tyner for piano?

I considered Lester Young, but he and Coleman Hawkins are pretty close. Hawkins gets the edge for his stuff with Monk. McCoy Tyner makes it if Reagan makes it in S.Dakota.

/I kid.
   631. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:16 AM (#3089348)
Guitar:
Charlie Christian
Freddie Green
Wes Montgomery
Jim Hall


I'd put John MacLaughlin in for Hall, and Grant Green in for Freddie Green. I never really got that into jazz guitar, though.
   632. thok Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:17 AM (#3089349)
People are making NES lists that don't include Mega Man 2 and SNES lists that don't include Chrono Trigger. These people are philistines.

NES: Super Mario 3, Mega Man 2, Legend of Zelda, Tetris
(I can see arguments for Final Fantasy and Tecmo Super Bowl.)

SNES: Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, Zelda: A Link to the Past, Super Mario RPG

Transformers: Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Grimlock

Fictional Cars: Optimus Prime, General Lee, KITT, Batmobile
   633. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:19 AM (#3089351)
Fictional Cars: Optimus Prime, General Lee, KITT, Batmobile


No love for the A-Team van?
   634. Lassus: Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:25 AM (#3089355)
Great great lists - my thoughts on where I have a little knowledge to contribute:

Piano:
Bud Powell
Art Tatum
Thelonius Monk
Herbie Hancock

I'd take Hancock out for James P. Johnson, definitely. Or maybe replace Tatum and keep Hancock?

Tenor Sax:
John Coltrane
Sonny Rollins
Coleman Hawkins
Wayne Shorter

Does Ben Webster belong? Not sure. Lester Young, Dexter Gordon. Oof. A difficult one. Can't bring myself to cut out the Colossus. Don't think any of the written list can be rightfully be left off.

Trumpet:
Miles Davis
Louis Armstrong
Dizzy Gillespie
Clifford Brown

I think Bix beats out Brown by influence and career length, although Bix only lived three more years, his influence was greater. (Even if he doesn't belong yet on a monument, no matter your opinion on Marsalis, jazz would not have the audience or place in popular culture it has now without his work and influence.)

Drums:
Tony Williams
Elvin Jones
Max Roach
Art Blakey

I might want to replace one of your newer guys with Chick Webb or Louie Bellson (died 2 weeks ago!). Williams, Roach, and Blakey all overlap quite a bit.


Super work, even without my blathering. Mine are just alternatives. The only one I feel any strength on is Johnson. Bix is painful to be left out, but not wrongly by any stretch.
   635. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:26 AM (#3089356)
Nobody's including N64 here, either:

Ocarina of Time
Mario Kart 64
GoldenEye 007
Super Smash Bros.
   636. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:29 AM (#3089358)
I think Bix beats out Brown by influence and career length, although Bix only lived three more years, his influence was greater. (Even if he doesn't belong yet on a monument, no matter your opinion on Marsalis, jazz would not have the audience or place in popular culture it has now without his work and influence.)


This was hard for me as well--I chose Brown as a mostly personal favorite.

I might want to replace one of your newer guys with Chick Webb or Louie Bellson (died 2 weeks ago!). Williams, Roach, and Blakey all overlap quite a bit.


I'd except Webb (or even somebody like Gene Krupa) in place of Blakey.

I think I have to go to bed before this thread takes over my life. The regular season cannot start soon enough.
   637. tshipman Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:34 AM (#3089360)
TV informercials:

Ron Popiel Electric Food Dehydrater
Magic Bullet
Deal-A-Meal
Time Life 70s Classic Soft Rock Hits (starring Air Supply)


Your dis-inclusion of ShamWOW is fundamentally retarded.
:)
   638. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:36 AM (#3089362)
TV informercials:

Ron Popiel Electric Food Dehydrater
Magic Bullet
Deal-A-Meal
Time Life 70s Classic Soft Rock Hits (starring Air Supply)



Your dis-inclusion of ShamWOW is fundamentally retarded.
:)


I believe, after 663 posts and three days, you have just won the thread.
   639. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:36 AM (#3089363)
Jo Jones or Kenny Clarke might need to be on the drummer list too. I think they're most responsible for moving the time keeping to the hi-hat.
   640. Jeff K. Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:38 AM (#3089364)
I can't finish the first one, so I'll do two halves:

"Hip Hop Act that You Heard One Awesome Song by and Near As You Can Tell They Recorded that 5 Minutes Before Going Into Witness Protection Because There is Literally Nothing Else Available"-more (we're going to spend a lot on signs for that one)

Barbershop MCs (I think the song is called "The New Era", but who knows), East Flatbush Project - Tried By 12. Seriously, that song is ####### phenomenal. Probably top 5 favorite. Heard it on the Terranova DJ Kicks, and I have spent 8 years trying to find anything else.

"Best Verse in Hip Hop"
The entirety of Mos Def's 'What is Beef' because it's just one verse, verse 2 of Halftime (I consider this the apex of hip hop, both quality and basically timeline)
   641. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:42 AM (#3089366)
Okay, Rushmore of Buffy episodes:

Restless
Once More, with Feeling
Innocence
Earshot
   642. Srul Itza At Home Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:48 AM (#3089368)
637. Harry Balsagne Posted: March 01, 2009 at 12:15 AM (#3089309)

Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong



I wouldn't argue with that, though a fifth heard would be nice to include Monk.

I think there was a brief discussion about big band leaders, and I posted my Rushmore of 60s tenorists (Coltrane, Rollins, Henderson, Shorter).
638. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 12:21 AM (#3089311)
Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong

He doesn't move me as much (maybe I'm not mature enough for him yet), but I think a lot of people would say Ellington has to be in there. Not sure who he displaces, however. Probably Coltrane, much as it hurts me to say it. The Coltrane Quartet in the first half of the '60s is probably my favorite jazz group.


No love for Mingus?
   643. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:52 AM (#3089369)
Somebody's eventually gonna cough up a Rushmore of Small Wonder episodes, and this thread will give birth to a new dimension of supernatural nerdiness the likes of which cyberspace cannot hold. Nerd strangelets will emerge from its abyss and obliterate us all.
   644. Jeff K. Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:56 AM (#3089375)
I think I have to go to bed before this thread takes over my life.

As good a time as any to mention the Lounge to all involved...
   645. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:04 AM (#3089377)
No love for Mingus?


There's love for Mingus, but he can't be placed in the same company as Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker, and Louis Armstrong, by virtue of impact/influence/instrument artistry.

For Srul:

Mingus albums:
Ah Um
Blues and Roots
Antibes '60
Cumbia and Jazz Fusion

Mingus sidemen:
Eric Dolphy
Jackie McLean
Dannie Richmond
Booker Ervin
   646. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:12 AM (#3089380)
It has to be three years, as that's what Ollie got, and Dial offered a simple formula that I have to write down off the thread with Sam in it.
I'm all ears.

Architects' Rushmore:

Louis Kahn
Brunelleschi
Jorn Utzon
Alvar Aalto

Michaelangelo had about half of Pedro's career. Tremendous peak (his work at St. Peter's and San Lorenzo), but just too easily distracted by other sports.
   647. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:17 AM (#3089381)
East Flatbush Project - Tried By 12. Seriously, that song is ####### phenomenal. Probably top 5 favorite. Heard it on the Terranova DJ Kicks, and I have spent 8 years trying to find anything else.

Word, that is a stone cold classic. It wasn't a regular group and you won't find anything that sounds similar, but look into Spencer Bellamy.
   648. Obama Bomaye Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:31 AM (#3089383)
"Hip Hop Act that You Heard One Awesome Song by and Near As You Can Tell They Recorded that 5 Minutes Before Going Into Witness Protection Because There is Literally Nothing Else Available"

Best one I can think of for this is Ezo Brown, who produced the incredible beat for Poor Righteous Teachers' "Word Iz Life" (those drums, oh those drums). And other than that, he doesn't seem to exist.
   649. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 08:13 AM (#3089390)
Mingus albums:
Ah Um
Blues and Roots
Antibes '60
Cumbia and Jazz Fusion


I don't know what I'd replace -- maybe Antibes, but I don't know -- but I feel like Black Saint & the Sinner Lady ought to be on there somewhere.

While I acknowledge that Mingus doesn't really belong on any kind of objective level with Davis, Coltrane, Ellington et al, I definitely enjoy his music with fewer reservations than any of those men.
   650. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 01, 2009 at 08:58 AM (#3089398)
Mt. Rushmore of Walk-Off Homers:
Joe Carter
Bobby Thompson
Bill Mazeroski
Kirk Gibson
Just out: Bucky Dent, Carlton Fisk, Kirby Puckett, Ozzie Smith.

Oh, I think Bucky Dent is way, way, way off the list of top Walk-Off Homers.
   651. Baldrick Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:02 AM (#3089399)
The Rushmore of Buffy episodes is actually really easy (and pretty inarguable I think)
Hush, Once More With Feeling, Becoming Part II, Doppelgandland

Maybe, maybe there's an argument for Restless, The Body, or Innocence. But really that's about it. I do love Earshot, of course (the Oz lines in particular are absolutely priceless), but it doesn't have the heft of those four.

For the record, a previously compiled list of the top 10 episodes (a bit of a mix between the 10 "best" and my 10 personal favorites):

1. Hush (season 4)
2. Doppelgangland (season 3)
3. Once More With Feeling (season 6)
4. Becoming Part II (season 2)
5. New Moon Rising (season 4)
6. Innocence (season 2)
7. Tabula Rasa (season 6)
8. Lovers Walk (season 3)
9. The Body (season 5)
10. Earshot (season 3)

With the caveat that Earshot is more fun than it is "great." If I was going to include a more significant episode as #10 it would probably be Passion or The Gift or something like that.
   652. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:13 AM (#3089400)
The Rushmore of Buffy episodes is actually really easy (and pretty inarguable I think)
Hush, Once More With Feeling, Becoming Part II, Doppelgandland

And yet, I'm not sure I agree. I really feel that "Hush" is one of those episodes that you're supposed to think is super-great, and it was interesting, but I just don't feel it. "Becoming Part II" might well belong ahead of Innocence, and "The Body" has a reasonable argument as well. "Doppelgangland" and a number of others (including "Hush") are of a piece of what one might call "gimmick" episodes -- which, honestly, are what Buffy was all about, in a certain way -- but I'm not sure it was meaningfully better than a number of others, including the aforementioned "Earshot", "The Zeppo", and maybe even "Band Candy". Honestly, I kind of think "The Zeppo" might belong more than the others, simply because it beautifully captures what most people feel about their lives: they may be sidekicks, but the sidekicks' lives are monumentous as well.
   653. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:27 AM (#3089402)
Mt. Rushmore of Ghostbusters:

Peter Venkman
Egon Spengler
Ray Stanz
Winston Zeddmore

Honorable mention: Louis Tully
   654. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:33 AM (#3089404)
I don't know what I'd replace -- maybe Antibes, but I don't know -- but I feel like Black Saint & the Sinner Lady ought to be on there somewhere.


I'd replace Cumbia & Jazz Fusion. A great album, but really only for the 27 minute title track. One of my favorite bass solos, though.

Give Antibes another listen. Eric Dolphy is a demon. Such a tragic loss.
   655. Esoteric Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:34 AM (#3089405)
X-Files Rushmore: The Ehrlenmeyer Flask, Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose, Jose Chung's "From Outer Space", Field Trip
MST3K Rushmore: Godzilla Vs. Megalon, Pod People, "Manos": The Hands Of Fate, Space Mutiny
Seinfeld Rushmore: The Contest, The Outing, The Face Painter, [whichever one where Jerry forced George to pretend he was a marine biologist]
   656. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:46 AM (#3089407)
[whichever one where Jerry forced George to pretend he was a marine biologist]


I believe that one is called "The Marine Biologist".:)

MST3K Rushmore


"Manos": The Hands of Fate
Pod People ("Idiot control now/bees on pie/burnin' rubber tires")
Santa Claus Conquers the Martians
Mitchell

MST3K shorts:
Mr. B. Natural (I still can't believe some twisted bastard thought that #### was okay to unleash on the minds of adolescents)
Here Comes the Circus
Hired!
Spring Fever ("No springs!")

Best show ever.
   657. Davo the Magnificent Posted: March 01, 2009 at 10:19 AM (#3089409)
Architects' Rushmore:

Louis Kahn
Brunelleschi
Jorn Utzon
Alvar Aalto

Where's Howard Roark?
   658. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 01, 2009 at 11:01 AM (#3089412)
Or Mike Brady?
   659. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 01, 2009 at 02:00 PM (#3089427)
I am shocked that a jazz discussion took place with no mention of Dave Brubeck or Herbie Nichols.

Goodness....
   660. zonk Posted: March 01, 2009 at 03:28 PM (#3089443)
In light of how page 7 began, I hesitate to properly term them, but Mt Rushmore of Cub pickups who put together a final few months of suprising usefullness:

Gary Gaetti
Davey Lopes
Jim Edmonds
Terry Mulholland
   661. Mefisto Posted: March 01, 2009 at 04:13 PM (#3089469)
Re Buffy episodes: I can't see Earshot or Doppelgangland as top 4 quality, much as I like them both. For my money, the top 4 would be OMWF, Innocence, The Body, and Becoming II (though I'd cheat and combine Becoming I and II as a single episode). Leaving off Passion kills me and if anyone were to insist that it be included, I have no argument.
   662. thok Posted: March 01, 2009 at 04:51 PM (#3089485)
No love for the A-Team van?

It's OK, but I can't really see it beating any of the four I've mentioned one on one in terms of pop culture importance or influence.
   663. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: March 01, 2009 at 04:58 PM (#3089488)
More B5:

Recurring guest characters:

Mr. Morden
Bester
Neroon
Zathras

Celebrity Guest Appearances:

Melissa Gilbert
Michael York
David Warner
Michael Ansara

Alien Bad Guys:

The Shadows
Drakh
Dilgar
Streib
   664. Dan Szymborski Posted: March 01, 2009 at 04:59 PM (#3089489)
Brahms Symphonies Rushmore:
1
2
3
4
   665. AndrewJ Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:10 PM (#3089492)
MST3K Rushmore


"Manos": The Hands of Fate
Pod People ("Idiot control now/bees on pie/burnin' rubber tires")
Santa Claus Conquers the Martians
Mitchell

Manos
Santa Claus Conquers The Martians
The Sidehackers
Angels Revenge (featuring Dr. Forrester and TV's Frank dressed as Rollie Fingers and Tug McGraw)
   666. AndrewJ Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:16 PM (#3089495)
Woody Allen Mt Rushmore

Annie Hall
Manhattan
Zelig
Crimes and Misdemeanors

Mel Brooks Mt. Rushmore

The Producers (1968)
Blazing Saddles
Young Frankenstein
Silent Movie

Stephen Sondheim Mt. Rushmore

Sweeney Todd
Follies
Company
Assassins

Gilbert & Sullivan Mt. Rushmore

The Mikado
HMS Pinafore
Iolanthe
The Yeomen of the Guard

Fawkty Towers Mr. Rushmore

The Kipper and The Corpse
Waldorf Salad
Basil the Rat
The Hotel Inspectors
   667. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:18 PM (#3089496)
Brahms Symphonies Rushmore:
1
2
3
4

No, no, no!!!

It's
3
1
4
2 (AKA the 'Sominex' Symphony)

I thought everybody knew that....
   668. Tuque Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:19 PM (#3089498)
I just rewatched "Life Serial," and I have to say in terms of pure fun that's one of my favorite Buffy episodes. It's got a time loop, invisible demons, kitten currency, Buffy getting drunk, and the Trio at their most hilarious - including a recurring episode-long discussion of the best James Bond.

Jonathan: Who remembers Connery? I mean, Roger Moore was smooth.
Warren: You're insane. You're short, and you're insane.
   669. Baldrick Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3089500)
Fawlty Towers Mt. Rushmore absolutely MUST include The Germans.

I mean, how could there possibly be doubt about this?
   670. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3089501)
Fawlty Towers Mr. Rushmore

The Kipper and The Corpse
Waldorf Salad
Basil the Rat
The Hotel Inspectors

What, no love for "The Germans"? Even with the Major's rambling rant about how he once took a woman to see "INDIA...at the Oval", and with his scholarly musings about the difference between East Indians and West Indians, and his thoughts on German women ("good card players")? And don't mention the war!

EDIT: Baldrick beat me to it. Give that man a Siberian Hamster.
   671. Tuque Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:23 PM (#3089502)
The Rushmore of Buffy episodes is actually really easy (and pretty inarguable I think)
Hush, Once More With Feeling, Becoming Part II, Doppelgandland

Dude, leaving "Restless" off that is ludicrous. "Restless" is ####### brilliant, and remains the best episode of anything I've ever seen.
   672. Baldrick Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:23 PM (#3089503)
I just rewatched "Life Serial," and I have to say in terms of pure fun that's one of my favorite Buffy episodes. It's got a time loop, invisible demons, kitten currency, Buffy getting drunk, and the Trio at their most hilarious - including a recurring episode-long discussion of the best James Bond.

It would be difficult for me to disagree more. Wow.
EDIT: Do you also like "Him"?
   673. Tuque Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3089506)
I liked the second half of "Him," yes (the first is a bit soap-opera-y). Is there a problem with that? I'm not saying "Life Serial" is the best, I'm just saying it's a lot of fun. I always enjoyed when Buffy decided to let go and have some fun with the premise.
   674. AndrewJ Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3089507)
OK, OK, maybe The Germans over Basil the Rat.
   675. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3089513)
Fawkty Towers Mr. Rushmore

The Kipper and The Corpse
Waldorf Salad
Basil the Rat
The Hotel Inspectors


Fawlty Towers rushmore has to have 12 spaces. However, basil Fawlty quotes:

A satisfied customer. We should have him stuffed.

If you bother me again I shall visit you in the small hours of the night and put a bat up your nightdress.

I'll put an ad in the papers: "Wanted, kind home for enormous savage rodent. Answers to the name of Sybil."

Right. Well, obviously if there was a fire you would all be standing down here like this, right here in the lobby. Wouldn't you? I don't know why we bother. We should let you all burn
   676. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:37 PM (#3089516)
EDIT: Baldrick beat me to it. Give that man a Siberian Hamster.


That should be a Filigree Siberian Hampster
   677. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3089527)
I won't visit the Seinfeld Mt. Rushmore unless it has

"The Merv Griffin Show" episode.

"Where are the cameras?" Jim Fowler asks.
   678. Mefisto Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:21 PM (#3089547)
I like Life Serial too. And I like Him, except for a couple of scenes. The opening scene had me ROFL when RJ put on the jacket and the Theme From A Summer Place welled up.

IIRC, Baldrick doesn't like (as in seriously dislikes) S6 and S7. While I think both have their problems, and I have significant criticisms of both, there are some great episodes in each one, including some of my personal favorites.
   679. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:36 PM (#3089557)
Fawlty Towers rushmore has to have 12 spaces. However, basil Fawlty quotes:

You'd need a stenographer to keep up with all the Major's quotes. Every time he opened his mouth he came out with a gem. All of these are from The Germans:


The Major: Bunch of Krauts, that's what they are, all of 'em. Bad eggs!

----------

The Major: Strange creatures, women. I knew one once... striking-looking girl... tall, you know... father was a banker.

Basil: Really?

The Major: Don't remember the name of the bank.

Basil: Nevermind.

The Major: I must have been rather keen on her because I took her to see... India!

Basil: India?

The Major: At the Oval... fine match, marvellous finish... now, Surrey had to get thirty-three in about half an hour... she went off to powder her... powder her hands or something... women... er... never came back.

Basil: What a shame.

The Major: And the strange thing was... throughout the morning she kept referring to the Indians as nlggers. "No no no," I said, "the nlggers are the West Indians. These people are wogs." "No, no," she said. "All cricketers are nlggers."

Basil: They do get awfully confused, don't they? They're not thinkers. I see it with Sybil everyday.

The Major: I do wish I could remember her name. She's still got my wallet.

Basil: As I was saying, no capacity for logical thought.

The Major: Who?

Basil: Women.

The Major: Oh yes, yes... I thought you meant Indians.

--------------

The Major: Love women, hate Germans

Polly: What about German women?

The Major: Good card players!!!
   680. Ball Point Pen Guy (Will Young) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 06:46 PM (#3089568)
I briefly skimmed the thread, and hadn't seen this done:

The Mount Rushmore of David Simon characters

Omar Little
Frank Pembleton
Bubbles
Stringer Bell

The last spot is incredibly difficult. I can see very strong cases for Meldrick Lewis, Jimmy McNulty, Lester Freamon, D'Angelo Barksdale, Prop Joe
   681. Swedish Chef Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:04 PM (#3089581)
Mount Rushmore of mountains:
Mount Everest
K-2
Kilimanjaro
Matterhorn
   682. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:19 PM (#3089590)
Rushmore of Volcanoes:

Mt. Vesuvius
Krakatoa
Kilueha
Mt. Fuji
   683. Lassus: Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:30 PM (#3089600)
Mount Rushmore of Rushes other than RUSH

Rush Limbaugh
DJ Rush
Congressman Bobby L. Rush (IL)
Congressman Rush Holt (NJ)

EDIT: to follow my own rules
   684. Esoteric Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:30 PM (#3089601)
Mt. Rushmore of Mt. Rushmores:

Mt. Rushmore
Stone Mountain
Crazy Horse Memorial
Naqsh-e Rajab
   685. AndrewJ Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:35 PM (#3089607)
Simpsons episode Mt Rushmore

Lisa's Substitute
Who Shot Mr. Burns I & II
Homer's Phobia
Miracle on Evergreen Terrace
   686. AndrewJ Posted: March 01, 2009 at 07:42 PM (#3089613)
My bad. I should have included "Marge vs. the Monorail." Best. Simpsons. Ever.
   687. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 08:33 PM (#3089648)
Fawlty Towers rushmore has to have 12 spaces. However, basil Fawlty quotes:

A satisfied customer. We should have him stuffed.

If you bother me again I shall visit you in the small hours of the night and put a bat up your nightdress.

I'll put an ad in the papers: "Wanted, kind home for enormous savage rodent. Answers to the name of Sybil."

Right. Well, obviously if there was a fire you would all be standing down here like this, right here in the lobby. Wouldn't you? I don't know why we bother. We should let you all burn


"no YOU did--you invaded POLAND"
   688. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 08:43 PM (#3089650)
Male Country Singers: Jimmie Rodgers, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson


The first two I would agree with, but Merle Haggard and George Jones are just as worthy as the last two (which is saying something).

Female Country Singers: Patsy Cline, Dolly Parton, Tammy Wynette, Loretta Lynn


Hmmm...very difficult. Patsy is a given, but a spot for Kitty Wells has to be made. Then I'd probably go with Dolly and Loretta. Of course, Rebe McEntire has been a force for almost 30 years now.

Much as I'd like to put Emmylou Harris on there, she doesn't really fit. So next best thing:


Yeah, I agree. She's close, though.

Emmylou Harris Songs: Love Hurts, Boulder to Birmingham, Easy From Now On, Born to Run


Her versions of Wayfaring Stranger and You Never Can Tell are also outstanding, IMO.

Johnny Cash Songs: Ring of Fire, Folsom Prison Blues, I Walk The Line, A Boy Named Sue


All great, though I would drop the latter song for either Don't Take Your Guns to Town, Guess Things Happen That Way or Sunday Morning Coming Down.
   689. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 08:54 PM (#3089656)
Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong


Armstrong is a no-doubt-about.

As for the others, while I have no serious objections, leaving the Duke off the mountain just seems wrong.

I object to objectification.


I object to your objecting objectification.
   690. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:00 PM (#3089658)
Architects' Rushmore:

Louis Kahn
Brunelleschi
Jorn Utzon
Alvar Aalto

Where's Howard Roark?
In the dustbin of history?
   691. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:12 PM (#3089662)
Sports Trophy/Award Mt. Rushmore:
Stanley Cup- Probably more famous then the actual sport it represents
Olympic Gold Medal- Not only does it mean you beat everyone else in the world at what you do, but it's portable!
Heisman Trophy- Because there are only a few trophies that you can imitate
Gold Glove- Greatness in it's simplicity.

Last one out: The standard NCAA Championship trophies (same for all sports except D1 Football)

No apologies to: The (Soccer) World Cup Trophy... it isn't even a Cup!
   692. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:14 PM (#3089665)
Did we do bluesmen/women?

This is very, very tough. I know intellectually Robert Johnson should be on it, but like Billie Holliday, he just never did it for me. Oh, crap. Personal Enjoyment Blues Rushmore. Let the chips fall where they may:

Big Mama Thornton
Lightnin' Hopkins
Buddy Guy
Bob Dylan


(historical and influential bluespersons Rushmore:)

W. C. Handy
Robert Johnson
Muddy Waters
Bessie Smith (though Ma Rainey got there first insofar as recording sales goes)
   693. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:27 PM (#3089674)
   694. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 09:31 PM (#3089678)
Universal Pictures classic monsters: The Wolf Man, The Frankenstein Monster, Dracula and the Mummy.

The first three are solid, but I can see a case for the Invisible Man or the Gill Man knocking off the Mummy.
   695. Morty Causa Posted: March 01, 2009 at 11:46 PM (#3089763)
Wolf Man, Frankenstein, Dracula, Mummy are good. The last might be replaced with King Kong. Or Godzilla. Or the Bride of Frankenstein. Not to mention those of the last twenty-five years--Jason, Freddie, etc. Might want to separate the classic monster selection series with a modern one--sort of like what was orginally intended with the first inductees of the Hall of Fame. First, the Ruths, Cobbs, etc., then the greats of the 19th century.
   696. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2009 at 11:56 PM (#3089769)
Monsters have to split into categories:

Universal: Frankenstein's Monster, Dracula, Wolf Man and Creature from Black Lagoon (The Mummy is hindered by the fact that the actual Karloff Mummy is only wrapped for like 10 seconds)

Giant Monsters: Godzilla, King Kong, Gamera, Mothra (honorable mention to Rodan, King Ghidorah, Mechagodzilla, The thing from Cloverfield, the Ants from THEM and the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms)

"Modern" Horror Monsters: Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, Chucky

"Modern" Science Fiction-based monsters/antagonists: Alien, Predator, Terminator, the Raptor from Jurassic Park
   697. PreservedFish Posted: March 02, 2009 at 12:12 AM (#3089779)
Monsters have to split into categories


Isn't the exercise more fun if you have to condense all of those categories into just one mountain? I mean, you listed 23 monsters. There is no possibility for debate, no tough choices. It's just people listing various stuff that they're into.
   698. AndrewJ Posted: March 02, 2009 at 12:50 AM (#3089810)
Actresses with famous nude scenes in 1980s films Mt. Rushmore:

Phoebe Cates in FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH
Nastassja Kinski in CAT PEOPLE
Isabella Rosselini in BLUE VELVET
Susan Dey in LOOKER
   699. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: March 02, 2009 at 12:53 AM (#3089816)
Actresses with famous nude scenes in 1980s films Mt. Rushmore:

Phoebe Cates in FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH
Nastassja Kinski in CAT PEOPLE
Isabella Rosselini in BLUE VELVET
Susan Dey in LOOKER


Surely you didn't intend to leave off Julie Andrews in S.O.B.?
   700. Tuque Posted: March 02, 2009 at 12:54 AM (#3089817)
It's just people listing various stuff that they're into.

Mt. Rushmore of various stuff that I'm into:

Baseball, television, beer, irony.

Edit: I'm taking out "irony" and putting in "cats."
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