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Friday, May 02, 2008

ESPN: Stark - April was a month that really defied logic

We also asked high-ranking officials of two clubs what they would do if they had a big-buck disaster like Zito on their team. The first replied: “I’d cry.” The second had a more innovative proposal.

“Here’s what they should do,” he said. “They should go to Zito and say, ‘Look, it’s clear this is not going to work. Let’s put together an NBA-type deferral package. We’ll take the whole contract, defer it over 30 years with no interest and then we’ll release you, to let you start fresh somewhere else.’

“The club could get significant cost savings that way. You take $112 million over 30 years, that’s $3.7 million a year. You’re better off paying him $3.7 million a year to not pitch than having him go out and do what he’s doing. … In the NBA, this happens a lot. The union would never let him do that in our sport. But you know what? From the player’s standpoint, he’d be better off.”
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Assuming Zito is untradable, the pitcher out there who seems to be eminently available is St. Louis’ Anthony Reyes. But clubs that have talked to the Cardinals are grumbling that they want an upper-echelon prospect back, plus “another piece.”

“I think the guy is salvageable,” said an executive of one interested team. “But that’s got to be proven, too. So I think they don’t quite understand what they have. We’re talking about a guy who is (9-24), with a (5.46) ERA. So the asking price is pretty frigging high.”

NTNgod Posted: May 02, 2008 at 02:20 AM | 21 comment(s)
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: May 02, 2008 at 02:50 AM (#2766217)
From the player’s standpoint, he’d be better off.

Really? He certainly makes a LOT less (in real terms ... unless the contract is already heavily deferred) off the Giants with no particularly good reason to think he'll make big money off someone else. In theory it frees him up to pitch for another team and prove himself ... but he's gonna get the opportunity to do that with the Giants or, when the Giants release him, with someone else without losing the money.

And is this sort of thing really done in the NBA all the time?
   2. NTNgod Posted: May 02, 2008 at 02:54 AM (#2766218)
And is this sort of thing really done in the NBA all the time?

Yes, it is. I'm sure someone like Kevin would be able to provide an encyclopedic list, if he sees this thread.
   3. Lassus Posted: May 02, 2008 at 04:01 AM (#2766225)
kevin sees all.
   4. MSI Posted: May 02, 2008 at 04:32 AM (#2766227)
First, it's pretty early to kick the can on that 100 million contract. Maybe he'll have a decent season? He had a 4.53 ERA last year. It's only been one month. If he can repeat that for now, then he's at least a complimentary piece and not detrimental.

But if the time comes and its apparent he sucks, then maybe they can eat a huge amount of his contract and some other stupid pitching starved team would take him. How much would they have to eat for a PTBNL: 90 million? They'd save around 20 million, meh.
   5. Portia Stanke Posted: May 02, 2008 at 04:45 AM (#2766228)
Another Jason Stark column?!?
   6. Red Juice Posted: May 02, 2008 at 06:53 AM (#2766235)
I would take 3.7 million dollars for 30 years to surf.

Enjoy it while you are young.
Australia, South America, Africa. Its just never the same when you are 50, and you have been cut on a few times. [probable]

Take the money, buy a car wash, and go surfing Barry.
   7. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 02, 2008 at 08:36 AM (#2766250)
"Here's what they should do"

...disconnect...

"The union would never let him do that in our sport."
   8. Greg Schuler Posted: May 02, 2008 at 08:36 AM (#2766251)
The Giants' best hope is that Dave Littlefield has some pull with Jim Hendry.
   9. kevin Posted: May 02, 2008 at 08:39 AM (#2766253)
Yes, it is. I'm sure someone like Kevin would be able to provide an encyclopedic list, if he sees this thread.


Nah, contract stuff bores me. However, it is done a lot in the NBA, but it is done more to satisfy salary cap requirements when a player, especially a veteran who wants one more shot at the brass ring, demands to be traded to a playoff team. So, unless Zito badly wants to be traded, I can't imagine him going for that. The MLB cap is pretty wimpy compared to the NBA cap, which is a hard cap.

Nonetheless, the Giants can at least float the idea to him and see if he bites. His agent can do some legwork to see if some team wants to take a flyer on him and help him resolve his mechanics/command problems. From what I understand, his arm is fine.
   10. Ginger Nut Posted: May 02, 2008 at 09:35 AM (#2766296)
But why would Zito want to "start fresh somewhere else"? Unless somewhere else was Oakland, San Francisco is about the best place for him to be in his situation. He lives there and and he had his past success in the area so people have some positive memories to associate him with. If he goes to some other city he will just be thought of as a horrible pitcher and the boos will rain down all the more torrentially than they ever will in SF. Plus, SF has a pitcher's park--how much worse would he look in another home park? Finally, while the nonchalance of west coast sports fans is sometimes exaggerated, it's true that there is a fairly laid back attitude about baseball in the Bay Area (I am from there), so I think he is a lot better off there as far as not having to deal with the same kind of media pressure he would face in a northeastern or even midwestern city.

I'm sure at this point he must realize there is something seriously wrong, but I can't imagine why he would want to leave and try to work that out somewhere else.
   11. 1k5v3L Posted: May 02, 2008 at 10:02 AM (#2766315)
It's a good thing Zito didn't insist on being paid in euros
   12. kevin Posted: May 02, 2008 at 10:04 AM (#2766319)
Ginger, sometimes the well is so poisoned at where a player is that it helps to go somewhere else where they can start afresh, without the swirl of negativity. I'm not saying that would work for Zito or that that is what he should do but if he thought there was a pitching coach out there somewhere who he thought could help him, he might consider moving on, if the team was willing to take him on as a project.
   13. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: May 02, 2008 at 10:04 AM (#2766320)
And is this sort of thing really done in the NBA all the time?

Buyouts are exceedingly common, but not over thirty years with no interest. If a guy is owed $40MM over two years, he might agree to take only 35 on the same schedule in exchange for the freedom to sign elsewhere.
   14. bfan Posted: May 02, 2008 at 10:08 AM (#2766327)
is there something so seriously wrong with Zito? Could last year have been a natural progression for an aging pitcher, and this year be a small sample size?
   15. scareduck Posted: May 02, 2008 at 11:44 AM (#2766437)
In 30 years, it will take a wheelbarrow full of dollars (if there is such a thing as a Federal Reserve Note then) to buy a Big Mac (if there is such a thing as a Big Mac).
   16. philbluntsmoker Posted: May 02, 2008 at 01:19 PM (#2766565)
scareduck -- i take it you're familar with the illuminati?
   17. TVerik Posted: May 02, 2008 at 01:34 PM (#2766579)
Didn't the Mets do this with Bonilla - not as a buyout but as an initial contract "sweetener"?

I thought he had some sort of long-term payment plan.
   18. rLr Is A Special Person With Needs Posted: May 02, 2008 at 01:42 PM (#2766591)
Didn't the Mets do this with Bonilla - not as a buyout but as an initial contract "sweetener"?

I thought he had some sort of long-term payment plan.


Bret Saberhagen, too, I believe. I think the Mets are still paying those guys.
   19. RB in NYC (Now a Man with Options! Maybe!) Posted: May 02, 2008 at 02:19 PM (#2766627)
I think the Mets are still paying those guys.
Don't know about Sabes but the Mets aren't exactly paying Bobby Bo, although he's cleaning up anyway:

The Mets are still paying for the mistake of signing Bobby Bonilla in 1992 … and they will be for a long time. Bonilla struck a deal with the team in 2000 in which it purchased an annuity rather than pay him the remaining $5.9 million of deferred money that he was owed. So every July 1 from 2011 to 2035, Bonilla will receive $1.19 million, with the total payments adding up to nearly $30 million.

(Link)
   20. Danny Posted: May 02, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2766652)
Dana Eveland -- "He's Wilson Alvarez -- the before-he-got-to-Tampa-Bay Wilson Alvarez."

I don't know much about Alvarez, but they don't look too similar at a quick glance. Anyone know what the scout's seeing?
   21. scareduck Posted: May 03, 2008 at 02:16 AM (#2767643)
scareduck -- i take it you're familar with the illuminati?

No, but I am familiar with Ben "Helicopter" Bernanke and Marion King Hubbert.
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