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Thursday, June 26, 2008

ESPN: Stark - Rumblings & Grumblings - Interleague certainly a significant part of the schedule

While it almost seems like a given that [A.J. Burnett will] opt out of his contract at the end of the year, not everybody is so sure that a guy with a 5.07 ERA will rake in more as a free agent than the $12 million a year he has coming through 2010 in his current deal. “Let’s put it this way,” said an official of one team. “He has a lot of motivation to have a good second half. Doesn’t he?”
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“If you trade for him thinking he’s a rental, you’d better be careful,” said an official of another interested team. “You could take him, and he might go 2-5 and say, ‘I’m not going to opt out. I’ll just stick around and take my $24 million.’ And then you’re stuck with him.”
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All that stay-the-course talk notwithstanding, there might be one prominent Met on the market any minute now—Oliver Perez. An official of one team who spoke with the Mets’ brass this week reports the Mets are so fed up with Perez’s inconsistency, they’re about ready to listen to offers for him. On deck to replace him in the rotation: Tony Armas Jr., currently leading the Pacific Coast League in ERA (2.50).
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Here at World Rumblings Headquarters, we’re hearing the same noises that our buddy Buster Olney has been hearing—that the Brewers loom as one of the most serious potential bidders on Sabathia, even if he’s just a rent-a-starter. The Brewers have a deep system. And principal owner Mark Attanasio has made it clear to his baseball operation that it’s time to go for it. So if Sabathia winds up somewhere other than Milwaukee, said one baseball man who has spoken with GM Doug Melvin, “it won’t be because they’re afraid to give up their prospects.”

NTNgod Posted: June 26, 2008 at 06:49 PM | 42 comment(s)
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   1. flournoy Posted: June 26, 2008 at 07:42 PM (#2833995)
I'm pretty sure that as a condition to any A.J. Burnett trade, the team acquiring him would re-negotiate the contract to get rid of the opt-out clause.
   2. bibigon Posted: June 26, 2008 at 07:51 PM (#2834002)
AL teams are 6-0 tonight, with two games currently ongoing (both AL leads), and two yet to start. AL has a shot to sweep - have we seen an interleague sweep day before?
   3. fear and loathing in birdlives Posted: June 26, 2008 at 08:07 PM (#2834007)
I'm pretty sure that as a condition to any A.J. Burnett trade, the team acquiring him would re-negotiate the contract to get rid of the opt-out clause.

If you're the receiving team, would you rather have Burnett as a 2 to 3 month rental or another 2 years at $12M?
   4. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: June 26, 2008 at 08:20 PM (#2834013)
Prompted by the game chatter rumblings, I am wondering why the Braves haven't been interested in a pure lefty killer like Payton.
You hear talk of Nady/Bay et al, but I would think Payton would be equally valuable at a lower price.
   5. Master of Karate and Friendship (Kyle C) Posted: June 26, 2008 at 08:29 PM (#2834021)
I'd like to see the Brewers go for it and get Sabathia. Besides, aren't they in a good position to give up a top prospect (LaPorta) with the talent they already have at the corners?
   6. seeking a clever screen name since 1999 Posted: June 26, 2008 at 08:42 PM (#2834025)
Renting Sabathia for a couple of months and then collecting four high draft picks for him and Sheets might turn out to be a pretty shrewd move. Especially if they, you know, win something this year.
   7. flournoy Posted: June 26, 2008 at 09:02 PM (#2834027)
If you're the receiving team, would you rather have Burnett as a 2 to 3 month rental or another 2 years at $12M?


I don't know; it probably would depend on which specific team I was. I tried to leave my comment open ended to indicate that the team could either drop the next two years, or make them guaranteed, whichever suited their fancy.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 26, 2008 at 09:24 PM (#2834036)
Speaking as a Pirate fan with experience in these matters, I'm not sure it's possible to properly articulate exactly how bad an idea it is to put Tony Armas, Jr. in your rotation.

I'm kind of pleased that Stark is joining me on the Bay/Nady-to-Atlanta bandwagon.
   9. Crashburn Alley Posted: June 26, 2008 at 09:40 PM (#2834043)
#6, a team that loses Sabathia to free agency gets four high draft picks? I must be seriously misinformed about the way the compensation works for that, and if your description is true, it completely changes my perspective on my Phillies getting him (we had a discussion on this a couple weeks ago).
   10. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams (shayborg) Posted: June 26, 2008 at 09:49 PM (#2834048)
#6, a team that loses Sabathia to free agency gets four high draft picks?
He was talking about the idea of the Brewers acquiring him and then letting him and Sheets go to FA. Took me a second look to parse it too...
   11. Mets Fan Posted: June 26, 2008 at 09:57 PM (#2834050)
They'll be lining up for Oliver Perez.
   12. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: June 26, 2008 at 10:29 PM (#2834061)
AL teams are 6-0 tonight, with two games currently ongoing (both AL leads), and two yet to start. AL has a shot to sweep - have we seen an interleague sweep day before?

The NL went 4-0 a week or so ago.

I wonder if the releasing of Vargas and the Perez talk means that the Mets are confident that Duque will pitch in the second half.
   13. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: June 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM (#2834087)
What the hell would someone give up for Perez at this point? Tony Armas Sr.?
   14. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: June 26, 2008 at 11:38 PM (#2834093)
I think Perez will still net compensation as a Type B free agent. Honestly, the Mets aren't going to get much for him but he'd be useful as a LOOGY. He is still dominating lefties. They should keep him and take the pick if they aren't going to get much.
   15. billyshears Posted: June 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM (#2834096)
Man, Ollie Perez has a few bad months and everybody is ready to sell him down the river. If you don't like how Ollie is pitching, wait a start, and it will change. He may be a mess, but he's a mess who is better than Tony Armas and more reliable than El Duque.
   16. bibigon Posted: June 26, 2008 at 11:57 PM (#2834107)
It's hard to find a good team to trade Perez to. It needs to be someone:

1. Not in contention - you're not going get a contender to give him a rotation slot, and I don't think he can be sent down.

2. Who thinks they can resign him.

I dunno. How about Burnett for Perez?
   17. battlekow Posted: June 27, 2008 at 01:02 AM (#2834129)
How can Perez be on the block if his replacement would be Tony Armas? Who cares if he's leading the PCL in ERA--he has an extensive track record of, uh, not leading MLB in that particular category, though he might be among the league leaders in DL time. So really, the Mets would rather have 10 starts from Tony Armas and 10 more from...who? Nelson Figueroa?
   18. shoewizard Posted: June 27, 2008 at 01:27 AM (#2834134)
Every time I look at THT stats, and compare his ERA to FIP and xFIP, Burnett looks like a guy who should be primed for a good second half.

ERA 5.07, FIP 3.55, xFIP 3.82

Two straight years of sub 4 ERA in the AL East, and a half season where his ERA looks like it's a bit unlucky....to me, he still looks like a guy that easily worth 12 million if you can just get 200 innings out of him. Thats been the hard part of course.
   19. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: June 27, 2008 at 01:42 AM (#2834136)
I don't think the 2.50 ERA in the PCL is that impressive from Armas as even Nelson Figueroa has a 2.89 ERA but Armas is still only 30 years old and was once a good young pitcher. The odds are against him but if he's healthy and has regained some of the stuff that he used to have, he could be decent. I wouldn't want to have to count on that though.
   20. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: June 27, 2008 at 01:51 AM (#2834137)
Thats been the hard part of course.

That and that Burnett is a knucklehead. Florida waited for ages for him to figure it out. Now Toronto is. At some point, you have to just throw your hands up.

He has a hard sinking fb at 95, a snappy curve and a change which he has been working on for 8 yrs. But unfortunately, he is the ultimate 12 cent head, 12 mil arm.
   21. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: June 27, 2008 at 01:55 AM (#2834141)
The odds are against him but if he's healthy and has regained some of the stuff that he used to have, he could be decent.

As I think Tolaxor used to say, "TOE KNEE ARM ASS".
This guy is Carl Pavano with less talent and less glamourous ( slutty ? ) gfs. And realistically, who is going to trade for Oliver Perez? the Yankees? The Tigers? The Mets are just 3 games out, and Phillies/Braves/Marlins are floundering. Perez, for all his warts, is their best chance.
   22. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: June 27, 2008 at 02:03 AM (#2834145)
The Mets are just 3 games out, and Phillies/Braves/Marlins are floundering. Perez, for all his warts, is their best chance.

Is he really? He's been atrocious 2.5 of the last 3.5 years and even in his good season he was just a 110 ERA+ pitcher. In the last month, he has been rocked by San Francisco and Seattle.

You're probably right but I wouldn't mind more certainty out of that spot in the rotation.
   23. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: June 27, 2008 at 02:46 AM (#2834151)
He's been atrocious 2.5 of the last 3.5 years and even in his good season he was just a 110 ERA+ pitcher.

He has been atrocious if you expect him to be Sandy Koufax. He is a perfectly acceptable #4/#5 starter...
   24. BeanoCook Posted: June 27, 2008 at 03:21 AM (#2834155)
I'd like to see the Brewers go for it and get Sabathia. Besides, aren't they in a good position to give up a top prospect (LaPorta) with the talent they already have at the corners?


I second this. Please Jesus, send CC and the playoffs to Milwaukee.
   25. Padraic Posted: June 27, 2008 at 07:38 AM (#2834169)
Options for starting pitching, in order of preference, for the Phillies (and what it might take to get them):

1) Sabathia - Marson/Carrasco/Cardenas. Maybe not all, but certainly two of these three plus someone else in the B-C level range.

2) Bedard - Golson/Carrasco. I think Seattle is the only team that might bite on Golson. Shapiro and Riccardi will stay away.

3) Burnett - Marson or Carrasco + two B-C level prospects.

Note: Victorino's name has been thrown around as trade bait, but this makes zero sense for the Phillies. If they traded him, their only signed OF for next year's team are Werth and Jenkins. Jenkins seems close to toast, and Werth, while a good player, is simply too fragile to give a starting spot. The Phillies are shallow at OF at both the major and minor league level (see: Taguchi and T.J. Bohn), and even if they did re-sign Burrell (or a comparable FA outfielder) it would still be a very thin position.
   26. Edmundo, survivor of 7 right-sourcings Posted: June 27, 2008 at 09:00 AM (#2834191)
Victorino's name has been thrown around as trade bait, but this makes zero sense for the Phillies.
If it took Victorino to get C.C., that would indicate an all-in move (which I'm game for). Kenny Lofton, come on down. But why would CLE find Victorino tempting unless they think Sizemore would benefit from playing an easier position?
   27. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: June 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM (#2834236)
He has been atrocious if you expect him to be Sandy Koufax. He is a perfectly acceptable #4/#5 starter...
Which might be true. But the Mets aren't really in a position to have him as a #4/#5 starter. They have Santana, an unquestioned #1, and Maine who is having a great year. After that, it's all question marks. There's Pedro, who I'm loathe to doubt but is sporting a 6.57 ERA. There's Pelfrey who is pitching better but still young. And there's Ollie, whose ERA+ is 77, which I'd guess is below average even for the #4/5 range.

For a team with serious playoff aspirations, that's (obviously) not going to get it done unless someone takes a step forward.
   28. Declino DeShields Posted: June 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM (#2834256)
Speaking as a Pirate fan with experience in these matters, I'm not sure it's possible to properly articulate exactly how bad an idea it is to put Tony Armas, Jr. in your rotation.


Speaking as a Nationals fan with experience in these matters, here's one way to articulate exactly how bad an idea it is to put Tony Armas, Jr. in your rotation:

31-pitch scoreless first inning.
   29. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM (#2834260)
I just hope that Mr. Melvin has been paying attention to the market. A 2 odd month rental does NOT mean Doug is obligated to send any team BOTH Gamel and LaPorta. Frankly, I am beginning to consider Gamel untouchable. Despite his defensive issues left-handed power is a scarce item and needs to be evaluated as such.

If Doug were to offer LaPorta and change I understand. Even some of the major league roster should be considered.
   30. battlekow Posted: June 27, 2008 at 11:26 AM (#2834286)
Despite his defensive issues left-handed power is a scarce item and needs to be evaluated as such.

Ah, but then Prince would have to bat third, and you know how well that's going to go over again.
   31. Paul M is filibustering vigilantly Posted: June 27, 2008 at 11:34 AM (#2834303)

31-pitch scoreless first inning.


He also had a 30-pitch scoreless 3rd inning in that game. Wow.

107 pitches, 5 IP, no rune. That's...something.
   32. Declino DeShields Posted: June 27, 2008 at 12:00 PM (#2834335)
He also had a 30-pitch scoreless 3rd inning in that game. Wow.

107 pitches, 5 IP, no rune. That's...something.


Brutal game. It was hot (BBRef says 87, but it was a very sunny day and felt much hotter), and Armas took forever to surrender nothing.
   33. bfan Posted: June 27, 2008 at 12:14 PM (#2834350)
I know this isn't the intent, but it is looking like the biggest crticism of Tony Armas, Jr. is that he throws aesthetically unpleasing scoreless innings.
   34. Edmundo, survivor of 7 right-sourcings Posted: June 27, 2008 at 12:18 PM (#2834354)
He also had a 30-pitch scoreless 3rd inning in that game. Wow.

107 pitches, 5 IP, no rune. That's...something.


Perhaps, but not even the most amazing event in the game. Nick Johnson was not on the disabled list, actually played and played the whole game without getting hurt.
   35. Arva Posted: June 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM (#2834363)
I'm fairly certain the criticism is that even when Armas is good, he's painful to watch.
   36. Padraic Posted: June 27, 2008 at 12:33 PM (#2834370)
But why would CLE find Victorino tempting unless they think Sizemore would benefit from playing an easier position?

I should have mentioned that while there has been talk about Sabathia...and talk about Victorino...I haven't heard those in combination. Vic is much more attractive to Seattle than the Tribe. Cleveland will start with Marson and Carrasco, the Phils will counter with Happ and Jaramillo, and Sabathia will head elsewhere.
   37. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: June 27, 2008 at 12:48 PM (#2834383)
He also had a 30-pitch scoreless 3rd inning in that game. Wow.

107 pitches, 5 IP, no rune. That's...something.


... that Daisuke Matsuzaka is good for about 10 times a season. Luckily, Lester seems to be over this type of pitching performances.
   38. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 27, 2008 at 01:12 PM (#2834404)
I think Perez will still net compensation as a Type B free agent.

Be careful when offering him arb.
   39. Dan Posted: June 27, 2008 at 01:25 PM (#2834422)
I knew the AL was winning a lot in interleague, but not the extent: the interleague record through Thursday is 124-84 in favor of the AL. Wow. The AL has outscored the NL by 206 runs in those 208 games.
   40. Declino DeShields Posted: June 27, 2008 at 01:44 PM (#2834455)
I knew the AL was winning a lot in interleague, but not the extent


Tuned into the Cleveland radio broadcast last night on XM, and the Nasally Screamer Guy (Tom Hamilton, I guess) proposed making World Series home field advantage based on whichever league does better in IL play. I'm not sure that's much better than This Time It Counts, but I do think it is at least somewhat better. At least the participants in every one of the IL contests (presumably) care who wins the day's game.
   41. bibigon Posted: June 27, 2008 at 01:44 PM (#2834458)
That's 96 win pace for the average AL team during interleague play.
   42. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: June 27, 2008 at 02:01 PM (#2834485)
Now Matsuzaka is on to 1 inning, 7-run performances.
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