When I first read this, I was pretty upset at the audacity of Steinbrenner. Nobody made the Yankees hand out those massive contracts; some of which were terrible mistakes. I, as a fan of a baseball team not named the Yankees, don't owe them anything.

But, then I got to thinking. So many owners extract maximal profits from their teams, while putting only a minimal return into payroll, scouting, and drafting. This, however, can't be said of the Steinbrenners. In a way, Hank has a point, though he does not articulate it very well.

Hank is correct, but I don't see the utility in talking about it.

Hank Steinbrenner should not forget he needs to other teams to actually show up at Yankee stadium 81 times a year, so Hank Steinbrenner can charge them a bolus of cash for the watered down piss they sell as beer.

Hank's rant is pointless. In fact, Hank is pointless.

My nickname sticks!

“Girardi has his players’ back and I have his back and that’s never going to change,” Hank Steinbrenner said to The Post. He then added, "Well, you know, until I fire him."

Hank is correct,

How? It sounds to me that he's saying that because the Yankees subsidizes the Rays and most of the league, that those teams have no business playing hard or complaining when the Yankees act like jackasses.

Hank Steinbrenner should not forget he needs to other teams to actually show up at Yankee stadium 81 times a year, so Hank Steinbrenner can charge them a bolus of cash for the watered down piss they sell as beer.


They certainly don't need the Royals, Rays or Marlins.

Didn't he say he was done talking about the Red Sox this morning? Then he brings them up in an interview the same day? I guess it's not a surprise that he isn't very believable.

Well then, Chef, Hank should start a new league with Real Madrid, the NE Patriots and the All Blacks.

How? It sounds to me that he's saying that because the Yankees subsidizes the Rays and most of the league, that those teams have no business playing hard or complaining when the Yankees act like jackasses.

I'm merely referring to the fact that small market teams do benefit from the luxury taxes the Yankees are assessed, and that it's understandable that the person(s) who is paying out those funds would resent that such largesse could be used against their team's interests.

If that makes him a jackass, the word must have a meaning that I am familiar with. His feelings are reflective of a basic human nature.

Francisco Cervelli is a star?

It's like the WWF WWE. Everyone who dons Yankee pinstripes is a "Major League Superstar."

For example, Billy Crystal.

Remember when teams like the Royals used to subsidize the Yankees talent? In fact, the Yankees talent has been cultivated by small markets for a long time now.

In fact, the Yankees talent has been cultivated by small markets for a long time now.

Schilling (D'backs), Beckett (Marlins), Lowell (Marlins), Manny (Indians), Crisp (Indians), Varitek (Mariners).

Before that: Pedro (Expos,) Foulke (A's), Lowe (Mariners)

Yup, the Yankees have a monopoly on having their talent cultivated by small market teams.

I'm merely referring to the fact that small market teams do benefit from the luxury taxes the Yankees are assessed, and that it's understandable that the person(s) who is paying out those funds would resent that such largesse could be used against their team's interests.

So he gets pissed if someone like Pohlad pockets the money and gets pissed if they use it to actually compete.

How DARE they!

So he gets pissed if someone like Pohlad pockets the money and gets pissed if they use it to actually compete.

How DARE they!

As I implied in my intial post, I think he should shut up, but his feelings, imo, are understandable.

Yeah, that's how it works, Fred. If you take the money, you gotta take the ####. I would think, as a male prostitute, you'd know all about that.

As long as Steinbrenner sticks to diplomacy and media relations and leaves the roster makeup to Cashman, we'll get the best of both worlds.

“I don’t want these teams in general to forget who subsidizes a lot of them

Yeah, like the taxpayers of NY who are building a new stadium for the Yankees. (Yeah I know, the Yanks are contributing, but NY state and NY city are paying more.)

Everytime he works his pie-hole, he reinforces the very useful thought that it isn't a good idea to leave a lot of money and authority to a moron child.

Hank Steinbrenner is a great argument for the estate tax.

I would think, as a male prostitute, you'd know all about that.

I can't argue with that.

The Yankees subsidize the rest of MLB by way of revenue sharing.

MLB (and the federal government, via the anti-trust exemption) subsidizes the Yankees by giving them a guaranteed duopoly over the largest, richest media market in North America.

Yeah, the Yankees get the better of that deal by far.

sure, his feelings are understandable, but not particularly reasonable. If he didnt want to pay a luxury tax on his mammoth revenue, he should have just inherited the royals instead. His travails were eminently predictable and not particularly troublesome.

Hank Steinbrenner is a great argument for the estate tax.

Jim Dolan is the posterboy.

If that makes him a jackass, the word must have a meaning that I am familiar with.

I'm sure it does.

Schilling (D'backs), Beckett (Marlins), Lowell (Marlins), Manny (Indians), Crisp (Indians), Varitek (Mariners).

Before that: Pedro (Expos,) Foulke (A's), Lowe (Mariners)

I'm not arguing your point so much here, as I am your accuracy. Firstly, Schilling was really "cultivated" by the Phillies... and that was only after being traded from Boston/Baltimore/Houston. None of which were small market.

Secondly, your timeline is all kinds of ###### up. Your first group should be Foulke, Schil, Becket, Lowell, Crisp. The earlier group should be Pedro, Lowe, Tek (who came with Lowe. can't understand why you broke them up to begin with,) and Manny.

MLB (and the federal government, via the anti-trust exemption) subsidizes the Yankees by giving them a guaranteed duopoly over the largest, richest media market in North America.

This is an excellent point. A good followup next time he starts complaining about this would be to ask, "In exchange for no luxury tax, would you be willing to allow other AL or NL teams to move into the NYC metropolitan area?" Seems like a reasonable trade.

The earlier group should be Pedro, Lowe, Tek (who came with Lowe. can't understand why you broke them up to begin with,) and Manny.

I'm not sure why Lowe and Varitek are grouped in here. They weren't FA signings. They were prospects the Red Sox picked up in exchange for Heathcliff Slocumb. Pretty much any team in the majors could have offered a reliever to the Mariners to get that package. Now they are obviously paying Varitek very well, so their resources allow them to do that.

The earlier group should be Pedro, Lowe, Tek (who came with Lowe. can't understand why you broke them up to begin with,)

Well, Tek and Lowe shouldn't be included at all. They were the young ballplayers received by the noncontending team in exchange for sending the proven veteran to the playoff hopeful. That said proven veteran was Heathcliff Slocumb is just an indictment of the Mariners' judgment, but not an example of the rich taking advantage of the poor.

Edit: Sean beat me to it.

If this is what he wants, then how about a salary cap, draft slotting, and an international draft as well.

Also, if he had his way, this would happen: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27656 (Yankees sign every player).

Basically, they'd win 130 games a year, and many other team all over baseball would be crippled, losing the fans. Or, the owners would start going in the red, and have teams eventually shut down.

Well, Tek and Lowe shouldn't be included at all.

And Beckett and Lowell shouldn't be included, either, unless the Red Sox get Hanley Ramirez back in a few years for prospects.

I'm sure it does.

Give it up, dude. Seriously.

I'm not arguing your point so much here, as I am your accuracy. Firstly, Schilling was really "cultivated" by the Phillies... and that was only after being traded from Boston/Baltimore/Houston. None of which were small market.

Secondly, your timeline is all kinds of ###### up. Your first group should be Foulke, Schil, Becket, Lowell, Crisp. The earlier group should be Pedro, Lowe, Tek (who came with Lowe. can't understand why you broke them up to begin with,) and Manny.

I'll concede your point on Schilling, and although Baltimore and Houston may not be small market teams, they are, at least according to this assessment, mid-market teams.

The first grouping of players all played on the 2007 WS team; the second group included players that were on the 2004 WS team, but not on the 2007 team.

If that makes him a jackass, the word must have a meaning that I am familiar with.

I was referring to the behavior of Duncan and Girardi -- both of whom have been jackasses. When the Rays call them on it, Steinbrenner has the audacity to say they shouldn't have the right to complain because they are taking luxury tax subsidies? WTF is that?

Here's the thing, Junior -- maybe if you decided not to resign ARod and half the 2002 AL All-Star team, perhaps you wouldn't be subsidizing them as much.

The Rays have won as many World Championships this century as the Yankees.

It's cool Hank. MLB should cut out all revenue sharing and end the regional rights BS that keeps the Marlins and Rays and anybody else who wants to set up shop in the Tri-State area. Or try this as a thought experiment: The Yankees have to choose between the stauts quo or having to switch places with the Royals with the promise that the Yankees will never have to pay revenue sharing no matter what their payroll is.

Yeah, the Yankees ownership needs to shut the fcuk up. They have the best economic set up in MLB along with the Mets and they know it.

I was referring to the behavior of Duncan and Girardi -- both of whom have been jackasses. When the Rays call them on it, Steinbrenner has the audacity to say they shouldn't have the right to complain because they are taking luxury tax subsidies? WTF is that?

OK. I have a different view of who was primarily at fault for the fight, but I am talked out about it from discussing it on other threads.

As for Hank, I prefer Hal.

So how do the Rays project this season, anyway? They're definitely looking closer to .500 ball than they ever had, and with the Yankees' rotation consisting of two declining old guys, two rookies, and a guy with a flukey BABIP, the Yanks might not be that many games over the Rays this year.

Shock the world, Andy Sonnastine. Shock the world.

The first grouping of players all played on the 2007 WS team; the second group included players that were on the 2004 WS team, but not on the 2007 team.

Ok, I see that. I looked to me like you were putting them together based on when they were obtained. My bad.

primey #17

How long till Hank runs for President, 2012, or 2016.

you know it's coming.