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Give me a break. Lackey was being unprofessional. If Sciosia could find it within himself to be gracious and complimentary, then Lackey could too.
lackey's being a big baby. He's doing the same thing Stewart did when the A's got smoked by Cincinnati.
After arguing endlessly about whether A.J. Pierzynski did anything wrong in 2005's ALCS Game 2 (he didn't, and in fact running to first after Doug Eddings screwed up the call was a smart play), I have to say that White Sox fans take that mantle. Or at least, the ones I encountered were.
Yes, the Angels choked. Expecting Lackey to say as much is not likely to happen.
I wondered about this last night - what do people think Pedroia's double off the green monster would have been outside of Fenway? It looked too well-hit to be a fly-out, I think in any other park it still would have made it over the outfielder's head. That wasn't a typical cheap Fenway wall-ball hit.
We discussed it in the other thread. I think it was the same thing in other parks as it was in Fenway - a double.
also the SkyDome! :-)
I just love the way that's phrased. Not "anywhere else in the majors" or "in any other park" ... oh no, anywhere else in America!
Ironically, "sour grapes" is probably the second most misused term in English today.
(Just padding the lead.)
really, Lackey should be saying "sh*t, I should have remembered that I'm playing in Fenway, why the f*ck did I throw Pedroia something he could pull?"
First off, the Red Sox are the better team. Lackey's just pissed and shouldn't have said what he said. He battled his ass off and his team stunk up the joint behind him.
But he's right about the Bay hit and the Ellsbury pop fly, which should have been an error and it really shouldn't have been close.
?????
That's called "celebrating".
How does it matter how the Ellsbury play was scored?
He's not talking about Bay's double, which would suggest Fenway has some weird way of helping bloopers down the rightfield line drop in. He's talking about Pedroia's, which was probably too well struck to be an out in most parks.
And here I just thought he was happy.
Look, I was cheering for the Red Sox, but Lackey's demeanour on the mound last night was not what I would call positive and this is just a continuation of it.
If he wants to get mad at someone, he should restrict it to Aybar... and keep it to himself.
Not saying it mattered in the outcome. Three runs are three runs. But Lackey was saying it should have been scored an error, and he's right. That's all.
I don't think "professional" should be used anywhere in the vicinity of the jacket he was wearing. I think he's lucky Paps didn't scoop out his innards and carve a scary face into his chest.
I thought they choked.
The Angels played tight as a drum. I'm beginning to understand why. They perceived themselves to be better than the red sox. so they had a misperception of themselves from the get-go. that led to two things: 1) it caused them to take liberties they shouldn't have and 2) the idea they should win caused them to play tight when they were being pressured.
This double whammy elicited itself in so many ways: misjudged fly balls, trying to catch uncatchable ones, trying to take an extra base when it wasn't there, impatience at the plate, bungled plays. The only obvious bungled play I saw the Red Sox make was when Ellsbury overslid the bag after a successful steal.
And, now that they have lost, reality is colliding with self-perception and there's a sense they, the Angels, got cheated somehow, rather than just being outplayed by a more poised team. Some things were going their way. Lowell and Beckett aren't right and they got lucky with Pedroia hitting the ball right at people most of the series.
But they couldn't fully capitalize on those things because they were too busy feeding their egos.
But only one of them does.
There's no shame in that.
But there is shame in choking; more shame in whining about it afterwards; and it starts getting laughable when you blame it on the luck fairy.
Just man-up and admit you got beat like Scioscia did. Congratulate the other team; then go home and put on your Dodgers hats.
Anyone else think the reason he overslid was he slid too damn late? They didn't mention it on the broadcast, but that's how it looked to me.
Scioscia has also been involved with baseball at the ML level for almost 30 years now (except for the few years that he managed in the minor leagues). Lackey came up in 2002. Scioscia is almost 50. Lackey is almost 29. I think maturity might have a little something to do with the difference in their comments after the game.
It would be nice if Sox fans would say that we played better than the Angels and got a few breaks, but it seems like some of them are lacking in the humility department.
Why else would an overslide occur? Accidentally wore his low-friction uniform?
Exactly. Lackey is immature. If he was more mature, he would man up, as Backlasher so eloquentially put it, and admit he got beat by a better team.
Moving slightly to avoid a tag. Executing the slide awkwardly. There are probably a number of reasons why a runner could come off the bag. I just thought it curious that none of the guys in the broadcast booth mentioned how close Ellsbury was to the base when he began his slide. It's good to hear the studio guys mentioned it.
i know you didn't ask me, but it sure as heck was. it's his prerogative to behave like a buffoon, though, just as it is lackey's. lackey gets a little tiny bit of leeway from me, though, as i've always considered it to be upon the winner to behave with some class, because the loser more needs an outlet for immature behavior in order to deal effectively. and yes, people always laugh when i say things like that and they subsequently find out i'm a yankee fan.
Excuse me, I have a team to follow.
Does it get bigger when he's happy to see you?
My head literally exploded when I read this.
I could care less.
No need to mention who is a better team. That is something that is irrelevant. It's important to figure if you're trying to predict but once the series is over who is better or not doesn't matter. I firmly believe the Cubs are better than the Dodgers. Doesn't matter, the Cubs won. Same here. The proper thing to do is admit the other team beat you. Talking about who is better or not is silly.
Now you're just exasperating the situation.
By behaving in a childish manor.
EDITed to match the quote.
AO
I agree with everything BL just said...
and the sky didn't fall on my head... I think I'll go look at some other threads
You, sir, are a bonified pre-Madonna.
The Boston Red Sox literally own the Los Angeles Angels.
Ouch.
Forget Fenway for a minute and ask Lackey about Game One...
The run they scored came as a result of an error (was that the only one by the Sox all series??) and the home run by Bay was no cheapie.
No we know Mr Lackey is not Fenways biggest fan and he was emotional after a loss in an amazingly close 4 game series but he didn't have it in Game one and that set the tone for the Angels series.
I was always confident in the Sox for this series as the Angels spent September playing some absolute joke games against crumb teams.
As I type this , Rick Reilly is making an absolute fool of himself on PTI. What a germ he is.
Their trying there best.
Tough standards. Btw, this is not 1968.
Find me an instance somewhere where a fly ball fell untouched into a trio of outfielders and was scored an error and I'll agree with you. If fielders think they are going to turn into the next Cameron/Beltran incident, they stop, and if you think they should run, unsure of the outcome and looking up until they break their neck, then on which fielder should the error be called, exactly?
Maybe - but he is talking about cheap hits - and Bay's was no cheapie. He got away with making mistakes to Emil Brown and Willie Bloomquist all year - but he got sloppy in game one to a guy he was making a fool of earlier. 'Big Jon' He gets no sympathy from me on this one.
We were reminded many times of the 'beat down' that the Angels gave the Sox in July even though it was clear at the time that the last place they wanted to be on the planet at the time was a baseball diamond and that two of the losses the Sox suffered in Anaheim were a joke (which they didn't whine about)
as freud would say, your slip is showing.
Actually no, they didn't (and yes, I realize this was probably just a typo).
As for Sox vs Halos, this "better team" crap is useless. I was pulling for the Angels because I wanted Vlad (my second favorite player behind Manny) to win a ring, but it's become quite apparent that the Angels will NEVER win another championship as long as they have to go through the Red Sox. When two teams meet in the postseason three times in five years and one of the teams wins nine of the ten games, this isn't luck. It's dominance. I don't know if the Red Sox are really better than the Angels when playing the rest of the league or not, but in head to head matchups it's not even close.
A true championship caliber team should be able to beat everyone. If there's one team out there that you flat out can't compete with, and you have to rely on someone else beating them before you run into them, well, that's a pretty weak champion to me. It's like the Suns/Spurs in the NBA the past four years or so. The Suns may have been able to beat anyone else (maybe - at least in 2005 and 2007), but they'll never win a ring as long as San Antonio is still around.
It's not dominance. Sometimes one team just gets breaks. Sometimes you get bloop hits and your team gets three singles in a row while the other team gets 12 hits in a game but can't string them together. That's the way baseball goes sometimes. The Angels beat the Red Sox 8 out of 9 times in the regular season and each of these postseason games could have been won by the Angels. The games were that close. But the Angels made mistakes and didn't get the hit with RISP enough times. Whatever. Now we won't have to root against the Rays.
I'm not really sure this was used effectively, either. Of course he didn't realize it. The smallest violin in the entire world was playing; no one can hear it. When people use the smallest-violin phrase, they're usually playing it for the person seemingly fishing for sympathy. This phrase works a lot better when the violin-playing isn't being done by a third party.
...none - he was awesome that night. A few days later Manny was traded and it was obvious that the Red Sox were not interested in baseball at all , at the time. We gave Lacket credit there and took it on the chin.
I think the Angels (and this is half of my point) looked a little too deeply in to their 8 and 1 record this year over the Sox. He had to be prepared for the fact that a five game series can go anyway over a bloop here or there. (FWIW, I've been advocating best of 7 ALDS series for a while and turning the season into 160 games.)
I use the West example because I am a #### (and knew that my comment was factually wrong) and am sick and tired of reading about how Lackey thinks he was ####### hard done by in the ALDS this year. Who gives a #### if that bloop is an error or a hit - it ####### landed - cause they ###### up. I've always considered the guy a germ and this proves it.
Funny how the Angels fans are attributing regular season performance to talent...but post-season performance to luck.
And how is that different than other folks attributing the regular season record to luck and the 3-1 playoff loss to a disparity in talent?
The Angels were a damn good baseball team, which was demonstrated throughout the regular season and in the ALDS, which was tight despite a bunch of Angel mistakes.
The Red Sox are also a damn good baseball team.
One of them won.
Even if you plug the runs scored into the pythag formula (runs scored squared divided by runs scored squared + runs allowed squared), the Red Sox have a .657 winning percentage and the Angels .343.
That's not a close series, SU.
Injuries play a big part of the regular season. Contending teams will sit out stars or manipulate how they are utilized in order to have them healthy for the playoffs. The playoffs are much more important and teams play of the post-season. The regular season is merely a means to an end.
Game 1 - 2-1 entering the top of the ninth.
Game 2 - tied entering the top of the ninth.
Game 3 - tied entering the top of the ninth.
Game 4 - tied entering the top of the ninth.
On second thought, you're right. That's a blowout.
Game 2 - tied entering the top of the ninth. And then the bullpen blowtorched the game in the ninth
Game 3 - tied entering the top of the ninth. The Angels bullpen uncharacteristically pitched out of two jams until they won
Game 4 - tied entering the top of the ninth. And then the bullpen blowtorched the game in the ninth
The Dodgers-Cubs series was a certified blowout.
The Phillies-Brewers and Rays-White Sox series were pretty thorough victories.
The Red Sox-Angels series was a tight one.
It does when it causes you to lose.
Look, if your pen can't keep the other team from scoring, you aren't going to win. It's that simple. The Angels pen gave up game-changing AB sequences in 3 out of the 4 games in the ninth inning, including a 2-run bomb. The same thing happened last year. The Angels pen was awful. They can't stop the Red Sox from scoring. The Red Sox pen kept the Angels from scoring in the ninth. It has nothing to do with luck.
And, finally, it's pretty clear the Angels did a pretty crappy job of scouting Jason Bay. He killed them, both offensively and defensively. They didn't face Bay until the post-season.
Good advice for any situation.
Huh? It wasn't luck, the Angels played like absolute ass against a team they should have beat. It's their own damned fault. That "crapshoot" talk is for A's fans.
Meh. The Angels did play like ass, but the Red Sox weren't at the top of their game either, and I definitely don't agree that the Angels "should have" beat them.
Well, put it this way: If they didn't make about 10 really stupid plays, they would have won. They usually don't make many stupid plays, ergo, etc.
He's your intellectual superior, and that's why it seems he doesn't understand anything.
But not nearly as entertaining.
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