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Feinsand Blog: Mitchell Report doesn’t tarnish Yankee dynasty

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1996: Andy Pettitte

1998: Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Mike Stanton, Darren Holmes

1999: Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Roger Clemens, Mike Stanton, Jason Grimsley, Daniel Naulty

2000: Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Roger Clemens, Mike Stanton, Jason Grimsley, David Justice, Jose Canseco, Glenallen Hill, Denny Neagle

That looks pretty bad. But is it? According to the report, Knoblauch’s first purchase of HGH came in 2001. That would mean he was clean during the title years. Same with Justice, who reportedly didn’t meet Kirk Radomski until after the 2000 World Series. Pettitte’s usage was in 2002, according to the report, while Hill’s purchase from Radomski came in 2001, after he had left the Yankees.

I know the Yankee-haters are going to scream that the title teams are now tainted. I don’t buy it.

Repoz Posted: December 13, 2007 at 04:55 PM | 39 comment(s)
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1. Red Juice Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:09 PM (#2644779)

oh, there is taint. no doubt about it. Capital T.
how does it go?

if it walks like a duck, ... ?

I demand that San Diego be given a do-over for 1998. A mulligan. oh wait!

2. The Milton Bradley Effect (Voxter) Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:11 PM (#2644788)

Until now, I have been a steroids agnostic. But because it makes the Yankees look bad, I have now decided that steroids are the Worst Thing Ever and have Ruined Baseball, and the Yankees should Give Their Ringzzzz™ Back!

3. Red Juice Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:11 PM (#2644787)

come to think about it .. With Kevin Brown and Cammy on the Friars, plus the Yankees filth, they can just go ahead and remove the 1998 World Series all together.

no one would miss it.

4. I Left My Heart In Ben Francisco Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:12 PM (#2644792)

Epstein was a steroid enabler too. So we can pretty much asterisk any Yankee or Red Sox title from 1996 on down. I'm jiggy with that.

5. alskor Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:12 PM (#2644793)

So we've determined the Yankee title years were Radomski-free...

...Now we just need Mitchell to figure out where the Yanks were getting their stuff from from 96-2000 if it wasnt from Radomski.

Yup... nothing like 4 championships to make you want to go out and try steroids for the first time.

6. winnipegwhip Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:15 PM (#2644805)

They got the guy from the NY area to provide information. Therefore only the Yankees are tainted? All the teams the Yankees beat from 1996 to 2000 were clean. What a shame.

7. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:19 PM (#2644818)

"I know the Yankee-haters are going to scream that the title teams are now tainted. As the Daily News' Yankees beat writer, a person who has been covering the Yankees since 2001 and someone who blogs about the team on a weekly basis, I don’t buy it."

Okay. Thanks for letting us know, Mark.

8. alskor Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:20 PM (#2644820)

#7 -

Right, covering the Yanks since 2001 certainly qualifies him to say the team was clean from 96-2000.

9. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:24 PM (#2644836)

COUNT THE TAINTZZZZ BABYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

10. GIANTlhbASS Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:28 PM (#2644851)

Trivia:

Name the only team ever to lose an extra-innings Game 7 Championship Series Game to an opposing team whose top slugger hit not one, but two HR in the game, and later admitted to both steroids and HGH usage during that season?

11. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:28 PM (#2644855)

Although I hardly think someone named after David Wells' piehole is one to talk about taints, #9 made me laugh out loud.

12. Hugh Jorgan Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:29 PM (#2644858)

See, I knew the Red Sox just couldn't keep choking on their own for 86 years. This proves everyone cheated them out of at least 4 titles. Once everyone came clean in 2004...voila the best clean team won...and continues to win.

13. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:34 PM (#2644873)

hat looks pretty bad. But is it? According to the report, Knoblauch’s first purchase of HGH came in 2001. That would mean he was clean during the title years. Same with Justice, who reportedly didn’t meet Kirk Radomski until after the 2000 World Series. Pettitte’s usage was in 2002, according to the report, while Hill’s purchase from Radomski came in 2001, after he had left the Yankees.

Uggh, it's starting - using an absence in the report as evidence of non-use. The report doesn't state, by any stretch of the imagination, that Knoblauch's first purchase of HGH came in 2001, it states that Knoblauch's first HGH purchase from one of the very few people that talked came in 2001.

I'm guessing that Radomski would be a lot more wealthy if he had control of the entire world's supply of PEDs.

14. zoperino,if youre not into the whole brevity thing Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:36 PM (#2644877)

Naturally, there are no active Red Sox listed in the report prepared by a member of the Red Sox board. I'm sure its just a coincidence.

15. The Jerry Royster Experience Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:37 PM (#2644879)

I just want to know what susan mullen thinks of all this.

16. Sean McNally Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:41 PM (#2644889)

I just want to know what susan mullen thinks of all this.

I want to know what tina or Judith Reinsdorf think of this.

17. HowardMegdal Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:41 PM (#2644892)

The idea that Matt Franco's MLB record for most pinch-hit walks in a season is tainted for ever doesn't bother people?

18. Hugh Jorgan Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:41 PM (#2644894)

Naturally, there are no active Red Sox listed in the report prepared by a member of the Red Sox board. I'm sure its just a coincidence

Not that's just being negative...c'mon you reckon his appointment to the board tainted the thing? Oops there's that taint word again.
Well at least no one could suspect Manny. No one takes longer to recover from injury then that guy, he heals slower than my 91 yr old grandmother.

19. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:41 PM (#2644895)

Uggh, it's starting - using an absence in the report as evidence of non-use.

It's almost as good as assuming that someone used before there is evidence of their usage because it fits our predetermined biases.

20. BFFB Posted: December 13, 2007 at 06:45 PM (#2644904)

What a singularly myopic article...

21. Scott Kazmir's breaking balls Posted: December 13, 2007 at 07:01 PM (#2644927)

Steve Howe...didn't use the juice...but....

22. Yankee_Redneck Posted: December 13, 2007 at 07:15 PM (#2644944)

As the Daily News' Yankees beat writer, a person who has been covering the Yankees since 2001 and someone who blogs about the team on a weekly basis, I don’t buy it.

Why not appoint him to head a new investigation? Yankee beat writer, Red Sox board member, if a man says he's honest who are we to gainsay?

23. David Nieporent Posted: December 13, 2007 at 07:16 PM (#2644946)

The idea that Matt Franco's MLB record for most pinch-hit walks in a season is tainted for ever doesn't bother people?

I'm buying Matt Franco so I can brand an asterisk on him.

24. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 13, 2007 at 07:17 PM (#2644949)

25. vern_fuller_brushback Posted: December 13, 2007 at 07:44 PM (#2644982)

Bring back Pete Rose. Give me Pete Rose any day over the lot of these crapheads hereabove named. And Joe Jackson and all those other guys -- is it arguable that these modern guys have less integrity? Who's to say? I wonder if this report will, in some way, improve Pete's chances in view of the chaotic state of affairs in baseball these days.

26. Baseballing powerhouse Crispix Attacks Posted: December 13, 2007 at 08:09 PM (#2645024)

come to think about it .. With Kevin Brown and Cammy on the Friars, plus the Yankees filth, they can just go ahead and remove the 1998 World Series all together.

no one would miss it.

No, that was the first World Series I was following! Don't nullify the career seasons of Greg Vaughn, Quilvio Veras and Donne Wall!

27. bdberry637 Posted: December 13, 2007 at 08:46 PM (#2645062)

COUNT THE TAINTZZZZ BABYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

Taint (verb):
1- To affect with or as if with a disease.
2- To corrupt morally.
3- To affect with a tinge of something reprehensible.

Taint (noun-slang term):
1- The area between the testicles and anus.

Sounds like the Yankees to me....

28. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: December 13, 2007 at 09:02 PM (#2645076)

I know the Yankee-haters are going to scream that the title teams are now tainted. I don’t buy it.

Sad that this sort of nonthinking has become the norm in reporting. bdberry (post 27) got there ahead of me, but according to TFA's author's own terms, of course the titles are tainted.

29. Mayor Blomberg Posted: December 13, 2007 at 09:32 PM (#2645110)

That looks pretty bad. But is it? According to the report, Knoblauch’s first purchase of HGH came in 2001. That would mean he was clean during the title years. Same with Justice, who reportedly didn’t meet Kirk Radomski until after the 2000 World Series. Pettitte’s usage was in 2002, according to the report, while Hill’s purchase from Radomski came in 2001, after he had left the Yankees.

Uggh, it's starting - using an absence in the report as evidence of non-use. The report doesn't state, by any stretch of the imagination, that Knoblauch's first purchase of HGH came in 2001, it states that Knoblauch's first HGH purchase from one of the very few people that talked came in 2001.

You tell 'em Dan. Lack of evidence proves nothing, and until there is evidence I will believe that the last two 04 and 07 World Champions were tainted to a man.

30. St.Philly Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:30 PM (#2645165)

So, the moral isn't "Cheaters never win" but instead "Cheaters win first and then they cheat".

31. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:49 PM (#2645177)

And Joe Jackson and all those other guys -- is it arguable that these modern guys have less integrity?

Trying to win vs. trying to lose...hmmmm

32. tfbg9 Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:50 PM (#2645180)

Oh, it tarnishes them. What was it, 9 guys on the 2000 WS team that are juicers? Where's Billy Mays when you need him?

33. alskor Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:24 PM (#2645214)

Dont worry... I, for one, couldnt possibly think any less of the Yankees.

I hope that helps.

34. Mayor Blomberg Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:31 PM (#2645222)

So, the moral isn't "Cheaters never win" but instead "Cheaters win first and then they cheat".

It seems true in the case of all the first-balloteers who used to extend already great careers, isn't it? Or are you saying that Bonds and Clemens were always doing something? Or that they weren't already winners? (Or does thread context make all the difference, since Rocket didn't so clearly use anything on another current thread)?

35. Gotham Dave Posted: December 14, 2007 at 12:03 AM (#2645266)

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

36. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: December 14, 2007 at 12:04 AM (#2645267)

To some people, it would tarnish the championships.

Some would say the entire era is tarnished.

37. RB in NYC (Now with Christmas Spirit!) Posted: December 14, 2007 at 12:15 AM (#2645277)

Dan Naulty! Boy, there's a name I haven't thought about in ages. And he actually pitched more innings on that '99 team than Jeff Nelson. Solid trivia question right there.

38. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: December 14, 2007 at 02:49 PM (#2645797)

The idea that Matt Franco's MLB record for most pinch-hit walks in a season is tainted for ever doesn't bother people?

I'm kinda bothered that you know who has the MLB record for most pinch-hit walks in a season. But I guess I'll get over it.

39. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 14, 2007 at 02:55 PM (#2645804)

Some would say the entire era is tarnished.

Everyone on here knows that the Mitchell report is not an exhaustive study with conclusive evidence on exactly who used and when. I doubt people believe that the majority of the steroid use was limited to the Yankees and Orioles. They just happened to catch a couple guys who had connections to those teams. Anyone who posts that the rings are tarnished are just looking for an excuse to bash the Yankees, which is the driving force behind most of the posts on the this board anyway.

40. Amit Posted: December 14, 2007 at 03:14 PM (#2645817)

"Everyone on here knows that the Mitchell report is not an exhaustive study with conclusive evidence on exactly who used and when. I doubt people believe that the majority of the steroid use was limited to the Yankees and Orioles. They just happened to catch a couple guys who had connections to those teams. Anyone who posts that the rings are tarnished are just looking for an excuse to bash the Yankees, which is the driving force behind most of the posts on the this board anyway."

The Yankees got caught roiding. Tough luck for you.

41. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 14, 2007 at 03:17 PM (#2645821)

The Yankees got caught roiding. Tough luck for you.

It's really not. I don't care. My favorite players didn't get caught. I also don't belive for a second that no one else is using. The only "tough luck" I'm in for is people on this board trolling against everything the Yankees do, which I'm pretty used to already.

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