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Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Flushing University: Himelfarb: Jose Reyes is New York’s most unfair Scapegoat

Well, outside of Arthur Shawcross’ mother...I guess so.

Still, Mets fans still like to bash him for his makeup and all those blatantly stupid plays in the field and believe it has been holding him back from realizing his full potential. Dayton Moore, the General Manager of the Kansas City Royals, likes to say that, to succeed in baseball, you must have intelligence, integrity, and passion. But should we not remember that we are talking about the same kid who battled incessant injuries, could not hit any other pitch aside from a fastball, and was inept at getting on base from 2003-2005, and is now one of the best offensive shortstops in baseball?

More importantly, from a more analytical standpoint, Mets fans seem incapable of appreciating Reyes’s value and how to best go about exploiting it. Reyes’s disappointing defensive performance thus far has almost certainly taken its’ toll on his value, but offensively, his OBA (on-base average), is second only to Hanley Ramirez among National League shortstops. In addition, while his pitch selection is still questionable, Reyes’s P/PA numbers since 2004 have always been from the 3.5-3.7 area, and his numbers with RISP (.260/.368/.448) and with men-on (.280/.383/.465), are largely in line with his total numbers this year (.304/361/.490). Instead of prodding him to hit more ground balls as Randolph and co. suggested this year (when in fact there is little correlation between that and his overall success), Reyes is, like most if not any other hitter, most successful when hitting line drives.

Repoz Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:22 AM | 33 comment(s)
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   1. JRJ Posted: August 20, 2008 at 08:46 AM (#2909875)
The scapegoat should be everyone in their bullpen. After a slow start, Reyes has come on strong.
   2. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 09:34 AM (#2909912)
Reyes stole A-Rod's fans!
   3. The Essex Snead Posted: August 20, 2008 at 09:47 AM (#2909930)
The scapegoat should be everyone in their bullpen.

Not to get all English 101 about this, but a scapegoat is someone / something UNFAIRLY blamed for a problem. All the complaints about the Mets' bullpen are totally deserved.
   4. JPWF13 Posted: August 20, 2008 at 09:52 AM (#2909932)
Mets fans seem incapable of appreciating Reyes’s value and how to best go about exploiting it.


I don;t think the problem is the fanbase, the problem is the great mass of sports mediots here in NYC, the fans appreciate Reyes, the mediots have taken a disliking to him for reason a that I can't quite understand.

Yes he has lapses of attention, and he doesn't always run our ground balls as hard as he can, but he's nothing like BJ Upton in that regard,- and god forbid he sometime shows emotion on the field...
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: August 20, 2008 at 09:56 AM (#2909934)
I'm much more interested in the answer to who is New York's most fair scapegoat.
   6. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: August 20, 2008 at 10:00 AM (#2909936)
Currently? Heilman. Historically? Benitez.
   7. Neil Kinnock...Lord Palmerston! (Orinoco) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 10:01 AM (#2909937)
New York's most fair scapegoat

Willie Randolph?

He was axed because the ownership and the GM wanted to shift blame, so he was scapegoated, but his performance more than sufficiently warranted his whacking.
   8. Bob Koo Posted: August 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM (#2909979)
Reyes has been dynamite at the plate, but disappointing in the field. After last season ended, I figured this would be the year Reyes would put it all together offensively. Maybe next year, he'll combine his 2008 offense with his 2006-7 defense and be a true MVP candidate.
   9. rpackrat Posted: August 20, 2008 at 11:25 AM (#2910041)
Good article. I think there are a few reasons for Reyes' treatment. First, his ill-timed slump last September drove him from being, IMO, slightly overrated to extremely underrated by the media and some fans. His subpar defense this season and his periodic brain farts of the field also stick out in people's minds. Wright makes his share of errors, too, but he rarely makes a mental mistake. Finally, I think race has something to do with it, just as it did with Milledge. When a black or latino guy is exuberant, he is labelled a showboat. When a white guy does the same thing, he's just enthusiastic and becomes a fan favorite.
   10. JJ1986 Posted: August 20, 2008 at 11:35 AM (#2910054)
Fans love Reyes. They get on him a little harder when he fails (last September, fielding miscues this year) but that's because since he moved to SS in the big leagues, he's been pumped as the most important player on the team. That's not only a positive thing, it also comes with heightened expectations and increased scrutiny. Combined with Wright's MVP level campaign last year, Reyes was seen as not quite measuring up, but the second he does any positive thing, the fans are there for him and probably will be for a long time after his performance at the plate this year. His exuberance and joy on the field make him an easy fan favorite and combined with his talent make him a player loved in New York. The media's just on him because he used to high five with Lastings Milledge after home runs.
   11. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: August 20, 2008 at 11:37 AM (#2910056)
...and if I can procure for you such an animal?
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 11:52 AM (#2910079)
"Not to get all English 101 about this, but a scapegoat is someone / something UNFAIRLY blamed for a problem."

That's certainly the current usage, but in the beginning, a scapegoat was merely an animal sacrificed (metaphorically or otherwise) to expiate the failures of a greater community. In Biblical times, the Jews would lay the sins of the people on the head of a goat, to be turned loose in the wilderness (similar in many ways to the "king-for-a-day" practice of numerous other ancient/modern people - there's a good description of the phenomenon in Frazier's "The Golden Bough").

The goat is carrying away the sins of the community, but he himself is not necessarily pure or impure. He's just a vessel.
   13. RyanMcC Posted: August 20, 2008 at 01:49 PM (#2910288)
Reyes also prompted a fight in the crucial last game of the 2007 season vs. the Marlins, which showed a tremendous amount of foolishness and immaturity.
   14. Neil Kinnock...Lord Palmerston! (Orinoco) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 01:55 PM (#2910298)
Reyes also prompted a fight in the crucial last game of the 2007 season vs. the Marlins, which showed a tremendous amount of foolishness and immaturity.


It was not a fight.

It was not the last game of the season but the one the night before.

Whatever "foolishness and immaturity" had nothing to do with Tom veteranrific Glavine not being able to get out of the first inning.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: August 20, 2008 at 01:58 PM (#2910307)
Fans LOVE Jose Reyes. On the Mets board I frequent somebody linked the Neyer article where he predicted that David Wright would win the MVP. The consensus is that Wright couldn't possibly be the MVP,and should not win, because he is less valuable than Jose Reyes.

The media can dislike Reyes. Apart from all of the reasons named above in comments 4, 9, 10, there is also just a simple laziness. The Mets have had 4 fulltime starters this season: Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Delgado. Basically any quick analysis of the Mets season is going to only grapple with those players ... hacks like Lupica are not going to talk about what an Endy/Tatis platoon offers to the team. Those four players will represent everything good and bad about the Mets. Wright is Mr Perfect and Delgado's resurgence is one of the surprises of the season, so that leaves Reyes and Beltran to take the brunt of it. Beltran gets #### because he seems flippant, Reyes gets #### for the opposite reason, because he seems like a showboat.

Fans love both of them ... Beltran is standing on shakier ground but he still gets huge cheers at Shea every day, and the same fans that curse when he strikes out looking will tell you next inning that he's the best fielder in baseball.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: August 20, 2008 at 01:59 PM (#2910312)
It was not the last game of the season but the one the night before.


And it was in a 13-0 victory, which means it provided spark and leadership, not immaturity and foolishness.
   17. Conor Posted: August 20, 2008 at 02:06 PM (#2910326)
This is kind of related to Reyes...

I hate the graphic SNY shows, seemingly all the time, which shows his numbers in wins and losses, and is used as proof that "Reyes makes the Mets go" or something. Reyes this year is hitting 331/396/576 in wins, and 266/320/371 in losses. To borrow a word from Keith, this difference looks pretty stark, but when SNY flashes this graphic they never do it for anybody else on the team, so you are left with no way to tell if that is a normal disparity.

David Wright hits 348/429/630 in wins, and 217/323/358 in losses. Maybe Wright makes the Mets go.
Beltran hits 303/386/554 in wins, and 238/343/354 in losses. I guess Beltran makes the Mets go.
   18. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 03:58 PM (#2910437)
The goat is carrying away the sins of the community, but he himself is not necessarily pure or impure. He's just a vessel.

Well, that's exactly the point, the goat is innocent yet sacrificed on behalf of the guilty. I'm not seeing any shade of difference, personally, except that Reyes isn't precisely a goat and he's not precisely being killed.
   19. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 04:05 PM (#2910450)
"Well, that's exactly the point, the goat is innocent yet sacrificed on behalf of the guilty."

The goat isn't necessarily innocent. He's just a goat who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Whenever a king-for-a-day is chosen, the people usually don't go out of their way to pick an innocent. The determination is essentially arbitrary, whether through drawing lots, or on a volunteer basis, or by winning a contest. Whenever he carries away everyone else's bad fortune or sins or whatever, he's also carrying away his own.
   20. Lassus Posted: August 20, 2008 at 04:08 PM (#2910452)
I'm a huge Mets fan, and allow me to say that the discussion of the etymology of "scapegoat" is about 350,000 times more interesting than another discussion about Jose Reyes' merits or lack thereof.
   21. Chase Utley, America's Favorite Robot (Joey Belle) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 04:10 PM (#2910457)
except that Reyes isn't precisely a goat and he's not precisely being killed.


Well Yom Kippur is still almost 2 months away, plenty of time for Reyes to become a goat.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 04:22 PM (#2910473)
It's also worth noting that in the particular case of the Jews and the goat, the goat wasn't sacrificed in the blood-and-guts sense of the word. He was just exiled from the tribe, and driven into the wilderness. Where he maybe starved or whatever, but the death/suffering of the goat wasn't the point of the whole thing.
   23. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 04:24 PM (#2910479)
The goat isn't necessarily innocent.

What, he was bleating the name of God in vain? Coveting his neighbor's tin cans? Goats are innocent by virtue of being beasts.
   24. AJM Misses Brodeur Posted: August 20, 2008 at 04:34 PM (#2910502)
Reyes also prompted a fight in the crucial last game of the 2007 season vs. the Marlins, which showed a tremendous amount of foolishness and immaturity.

By prompted a fight do you mean prompted Miguel Olivo to act like a dick?
   25. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 04:41 PM (#2910519)
"Goats are innocent by virtue of being beasts."

Innocent in the sense of being immune from original sin, maybe. But if they weren't capable of carrying moral debits/credits, then how would Aaron have applied the sins of his people to the goat in the first place?

Anyway, if you've kept goats, you'd know that "innocent" isn't a word you'd apply to one lightly. My grandmother used to keep goats. They chewed all the aluminum siding off the back of her house to the maximum height that a goat could reach, and any time you bent down, one would pop you right in the butt.
   26. Tropical Storm Davis, aka Quilvio "Ebola" Veras Posted: August 20, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2910537)
Dayton Moore, the General Manager of the Kansas City Royals, likes to say that, to succeed in baseball, you must have intelligence, integrity, and passion


Kurt Angle says, you forgot one.
   27. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 04:50 PM (#2910544)
"Kurt Angle says, you forgot one."

And Poland? Or is it Mike Crudale?
   28. Padraic Posted: August 20, 2008 at 05:00 PM (#2910553)
The goat isn't necessarily innocent. He's just a goat who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Have to agree with 18. Whatever the goat's objective innocence is, it is specifically innocent of the charge of offending God or the gods.

The reason why the term doesn't work for the bullpen but does for Reyes is that the charge is playing bad baseball. Sending Reyes into the woods would be like sending the goat; sending Heilman/Feliciano/Sanchez into the woods would be like sending the jerks into the woods who initially pissed off the deity in the first place.

Edit: A little clarity
   29. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 05:14 PM (#2910574)
"Whatever the goat's objective innocence is, it is specifically innocent of the charge of offending God or the gods."

Non-humans can offend God. What about Jesus cursing the barren fig tree?

"Sending Reyes into the woods would be like sending the goat; sending Heilman/Feliciano/Sanchez into the woods would be like sending the jerks into the woods who initially pissed off the deity in the first place."

If you're assigning Feliciano the consequences of Heilman blowing a particular game, how would that not work? Feliciano didn't blow that game - Heilman did.
   30. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 05:19 PM (#2910586)
And also, Feliciano over the last 28 days: 9 1/3 IP, 1.93 ERA, 10/4 K/BB, 0 HR.

So even if you disagree on the morality of the goat, it's still wrong.
   31. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 20, 2008 at 05:22 PM (#2910591)
Just so everybody's working from the same playbook, here's the section of Leviticus dealing with scapegoats (16:7-10, King James):

And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.

And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.

But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.


There's a mistranslation there, of course, but that's another story...
   32. Eric J Posted: August 20, 2008 at 09:03 PM (#2910957)
Reyes this year is hitting 331/396/576 in wins, and 266/320/371 in losses. To borrow a word from Keith, this difference looks pretty stark, but when SNY flashes this graphic they never do it for anybody else on the team...


Aramis Ramirez in wins: .365/.462/.668
Aramis Ramirez in losses: .155/.253/.242
   33. Leroy Kincaid Posted: August 20, 2008 at 09:13 PM (#2910985)
I hate the graphic SNY shows, seemingly all the time, which shows his numbers in wins and losses, and is used as proof that "Reyes makes the Mets go" or something.


Clearly a case of starting with a premise and then going about "proving" it.

And SNY is a joke in general. I'm a Yankee fan and have to watch both SNY and YES with the mute button on, but at least YES doesn't put the camera on a goofball like Kevin Burkhardt five times a game, often just so he can interview random people in the stands. Or broadcast the game from the stands...what's the point of that? Interviews in the booth while the game is going on (Minaya tonight)...doing call-in shows...it's freakin' Sabado Gigante without the gorgeous, half-naked women.
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