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Monday, October 06, 2008

Former MU star pitcher Crow enjoys his break in the action

Jim Bowden said the Nationals went to $3.5 million as the deadline to sign their pick neared and, for the first time, heard that the price for Crow had dropped, now to $4.4 million. Bowden held firm. So did Crow.

“Something could have been worked out, they just were unwilling to move,” Smart said.

Now it’s all over. Crow is sitting in a bar in Columbia, watching baseball on television instead of playing it, not wanting to talk too much about why he’s not a National.

“I was seeing nothing was really going to happen,” he says as he cups a cold beer in his hand and looks off toward the pool tables. “It was a long process. Sure there’s stuff I’d do differently now. For some reason the Nationals thought what I was saying was not what I was saying. They thought they were going to break me. That I’d fold and do whatever they wanted me to do. I wish I’d made it more clear that this is what I wanted. They tried to bully me.”

Crashing worse than Bully: Scholarship Edition. 

Repoz Posted: October 06, 2008 at 10:16 AM | 21 comment(s)
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   1. Padraic Posted: October 06, 2008 at 10:59 AM (#2971460)
Which bar? There are about a half-dozen great pool halls in Columbia, Mo.
   2. Mudpout Posted: October 06, 2008 at 11:22 AM (#2971486)
Does the quote from Smart make sense at all? "Something could have been negotiated, they were just unwilling to negotiate."
   3. Hey, it's what Johan uses (Matt) Posted: October 06, 2008 at 11:47 AM (#2971510)
Which bar? There are about a half-dozen great pool halls in Columbia, Mo.

RTFA.
   4. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: October 06, 2008 at 12:46 PM (#2971573)
Crow quickly explains — you see, he’s not in college anymore, not playing baseball, not signed to a major-league team. Life is made up of staying up late, hanging out with friends, swinging by Missouri’s practices to feel like part of a team again, sleeping in and, yes, at times zoning out in front of the television and forgetting where he’s supposed to be.


This and the fact that he ordered a beer and two cheeseburgers should be considered by some teams looking to draft him. Yes, he is 21 and most kids would be that way, but he is going to be asked for a lot more than most 21 year olds.

A later statement ("Until then he’s learning to cook so he can eat healthy, hitting the gym to bulk up and looking forward to playing ball.") seems like wishful thinking.
   5. The Flores of Evil Doom Posted: October 06, 2008 at 01:05 PM (#2971596)
It's just as well that Nats balked at his $$$, given this diet, he'd be hanging with Nick Johnson and learning how not to heal in addition to how not to deal.
   6. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 06, 2008 at 01:07 PM (#2971602)
Which bar? There are about a half-dozen great pool halls in Columbia, Mo.

RTFA.

Booche's, which is/was my favorite hangout.
   7. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: October 06, 2008 at 02:17 PM (#2971673)
Wow, Aaron really showed them!
   8. Walt Davis Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2971731)
This and the fact that he ordered a beer and two cheeseburgers should be considered by some teams looking to draft him.

CC Sabathia says hi.

as do Carlos Zambrano and David Wells and Rick Reuschel and ... :-)
   9. PreservedFish Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:20 PM (#2971735)
Booche's, which is/was my favorite hangout.


I read about Booche's in Roadfood, and decided I wanted to eat lunch there while visiting my grandparents. My grandparents had not eaten there since they were in college (in the 30s), and my impression was that it did not have a very savory reputation back then. They vetoed the idea.
   10. Balkroth Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:20 PM (#2971736)
This and the fact that he ordered a beer and two cheeseburgers should be considered by some teams looking to draft him. Yes, he is 21 and most kids would be that way, but he is going to be asked for a lot more than most 21 year olds.


To be fair, they really are like $1 mini-burgers, so it's probably just about the equivalent of a normal 1/4 pounder.
   11. JJ1986 Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:27 PM (#2971744)
Is there a new rule that juniors who are drafted can't go back and play college ball? Or did Crow just decided he's done pitching for Missouri? As far as I know, they can still play their senior year; Joshua Fields was drafted, didn't sign and went back a year ago.
   12. MM1f Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2971746)
Crow elected to formally go pro by signing with an agent and then signing with an independent pro team. Its a common path.. two Drews, a Weaver, Hochevar and others have done this
   13. Pastor Toastman (PH) Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:30 PM (#2971748)
To be fair, they really are like $1 mini-burgers, so it's probably just about the equivalent of a normal 1/4 pounder.

I can knock out four in one sitting, and I'm under 200 pounds. Two is no big deal.

Edit: And I think Booche's was a men's club until the '70s.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:33 PM (#2971752)
Crow elected to formally go pro by signing with an agent and then signing with an independent pro team. Its a common path.. two Drews, a Weaver, Hochevar and others have done this

Ok. These guys were all better prospects than Crow, though, even Hochevar, and would certainly turn up again next year. It seems to me that Crow could just fall off the map completely if he's not showcased at all for a year.
   15. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:37 PM (#2971756)
It seems to me that Crow could just fall off the map completely if he's not showcased at all for a year.

Isn't next year supposed to be a particularly good draft? I wonder how far he would slide.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:43 PM (#2971758)
Edit: And I think Booche's was a men's club until the '70s.


Maybe the grandmother had never been there. Either way she was aware of a dodgy reputation from generations past and did not want to go there.
   17. MM1f Posted: October 06, 2008 at 03:43 PM (#2971760)

Ok. These guys were all better prospects than Crow, though, even Hochevar, and would certainly turn up again next year. It seems to me that Crow could just fall off the map completely if he's not showcased at all for a year.


Buuuut, he isn't going to be not showcased at all for a year.
Hence the part where he signs with the indy league team.

And any difference in prospect-dom between Hoch and Crow coming out of the draft is personal taste.
   18. Theo Epstein Apologists (Hanley Ramirez Chapter) Posted: October 06, 2008 at 06:22 PM (#2971849)
Regardless, losing a year of development over what would have been about 10-15% above slot seems stoooopid. I watched Aaron Crow pitch live a number of times this season and compared to a kid like Mike Pelfrey (who I also saw a decent amount in college), he just isn't all that dominant... apples and oranges, I know, but I am judging on personal observation.

I wish him the best, but he looks bad in this situation.
   19. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: October 06, 2008 at 06:56 PM (#2971876)
CC Sabathia says hi.

as do Carlos Zambrano and David Wells and Rick Reuschel and ... :-)


I know this is partly in jest, but his habits don't impress, regardless of what others have been able to accomplish. (what about that fatty from the Mets traded for (Viola?)) His attitude strikes me as especially poor considering he is going to be on his own for a year of development. I realize his agent will probably front some money and get on him to work out, but I don't think it is the same.
   20. Swedish Chef Posted: October 06, 2008 at 07:34 PM (#2971908)
This is so ####### stupid, he will be worth less to teams next year, he can do absolutely nothing to increase his value this year and a lot to decrease it. If he's lucky whatever he gains by being known as a tough negotiator will offset his drop in value. But all teams will know he's in a corner then, so I don't see it.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: October 07, 2008 at 12:15 AM (#2972942)
what about that fatty from the Mets traded for (Viola?))

David West? 6'6" 230 lbs may not have been that fat. Didn't have a good career but did have 3 good seasons in relief, pitched in parts of 10 seasons, made nearly $3 M (real money in the early 90s).

There ya go, worst fat pitcher in history. :-)

I wasn't exactly jesting though. Fat pitchers seem to age a lot better than fat hitters do. Not saying they age better than in-shape pitchers (not saying they don't) but it doesn't seem nearly the risk factor for pitchers as for hitters. I'm not sure there's any reason to think being not-fat will make your elbow or shoulder last longer. Might eventually impact negatively on leg drive (though I'm not sure why it would) and could certainly impact on back, knees, etc. I would guess back problems would be the leading additional cause of problems for fat pitchers vs. thinner ones.

Alas, being fat is no guarantee of being a successful pitcher or I'd be in the Hall of Fame by now.
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