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Or did we have one at one time, and I just missed it?
We did, possibly still do. It went something like "Don't tase (familiar screen name), bro"
nevermind.
Man, you guys are disappointing!
He fell, huh? I wonder what Josh's story is.
anyone want to guess...
anyone...
or Peyton Manning from New Orleans' Isidore Newman School.
It was a perfect debate. North Louisiana vs. South Louisiana (for those that don't know, the two regions are kind of different states).
Both had star WR brothers and, unknown at the time, both would have younger brothers become star QBs.
I think most people actually rated Booty higher. Wiki says "Booty was named to the All-Time National High School All-American team by Dick Butkus along with Joe Namath and John Elway."
So, yeah, he was kind of a big deal in football.
Another brother, Abrham, was a starting WR at LSU several years ago. Damn good one too.
"I was going to question the MLB part, but he got a cup of coffee somehow. Between baseball and football, how the heck did baseball end up being the major league he made it to?"
First round pick as a SS/3b. Got rushed to the majors. Didn't hit. Washed out of the minors.
Went back to football where he was a star, and his older brother was a starting WR at LSU.
Played fairly well at LSU for a year or two. Went pro. Washed out there too.
Hes kind of a sad story of squandered potential. I wonder what he could have been if he had focused all on one sport...if he hadn't have been rushed in baseball and stuck with the sport longer than he did or if he had never played pro ball and became a college QB right from high school.
Wiki says he is hitting this:
http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/rachelreynolds/rachel_reynolds_1.jpg
if anyone cares
Two sport athletes shouldn't play baseball. It's too hard.
Well, I would hope so. It's good that they didn't decide to give him more than a lethal dose.
http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/rachelreynolds/rachel_reynolds_1.jpg
Not really my style, but I'd smash it.
Not sure how that's not your style, but I'm in like Flynt
Who? Booty? Never heard of him.
I don't like your jerkoff name, I don't like your jerkoff face, and I don't like your jerkoff behavior
If they had go so far as to tase him, the cops don't need to make up a story--a crack on the head would've been part of the "treatment".
When they Miranda'd him, did they tell him he had the right to one Booty call?
When he got free on bail, did they tell him he was now loose Booty?
I heard Pittsburgh is interested in him. That might make him Pirate Booty.
Every state has a story (many of 'em, probably) like this, I'll bet. Arkansas' was a kid named Basil Shabazz, who was all-world in football (track, too) & wound up playing a little high school baseball as sort of a lark (a younger teammate was Torii Hunter), then showed enough to get drafted by the Cardinals but never did a bloody thing on the diamond. Apparently, when he tried returning to football a few years later at the University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff, he just didn't have it anymore. I just found an interesting recap at http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/schwarz_alan/1396641.html
And most high schools have a similar story. Local hero goes off to big time college. Comes back a few years later washed up and hungover.
Not nearly as concerned as the use of the taser by bar sluts who suddenly find virtue.
OK, I'll take a flying f*ck at the translation of the above:
I'm a large man who tends to hit the sauce like a fish, and can be an unwieldy drunk, and am therefore
afraid I'll be zapped in the future.
How'd I do? :-)
For a two sport athlete, going pro in baseball out of HS is almost always the best financial decision. Some guys (John Elway, DeSean Jackson..looks like Chad Jones is on his way) make the football path work best money-wise but a top baseball/football prospect can get 500k-1 mil out of high school. If a guy goes to college, even if he becomes a good FB player, the odds of getting drafted and making the league are much lower.
Abrahm Booty was LSU's leading receiver for a couple years. I guess he would have played in the late 90s-Early 00s. So the end of the DiNardo* era, and the start of the Saban dynasty
*hes a nice guy
Every state has a story (many of 'em, probably) like this, I'll bet.
Louisiana has a much sadder one in Trey Prather.
Prather starred as a HS QB at Shreveport Woodlawn HS. He was part a group of star QBs Woodlawn produced. First Joe Ferguson was hotly recruited, chose Arkansas, and later played in the NFL for awhile. I think Prather, a HS All-America, was their next starter. He was hotly recruited by the big schools and picked LSU. After his freshman year, he quit the football team and volunteered for the Army and went to Vietnam. He stepped on a land mine and died in some damn jungle over there.
A guy with all the potential in the world, who could make anyones football team, decides to quit the game after a year and winds up dead in a jungle
The kid who backed up Prather in HS called him the best QB he had ever played with.
That "kid" being Terry Bradshaw, the third in the Shreveport Woodlawn QB Factory.
The fourth Woodlawn QB ....?
...was Johnny Booty; father of Josh, John David and Abram Booty
I have been drinking for a long time. I have never even been warned for disorderly behavior. I have no record. I have been cut off once in my life.
No, my concern is for my fellow man. I am alarmed by the cavalier use of the taser in some cases I have seen.
Here's one from your state, bunyon.
The fact that they sometimes kill people is concerning.
*ahem* "For awhile" = 18 seasons. (While catching mostly for the Dodgers in the offseason!)
Your chronology is a bit off, though. Prather & Bradshaw preceded Bullet Joe at Woodlawn.
I am. For a supposedly non-lethal weapon, a whole bunch of people seem to end up mysteriously dead after getting zapped by one.
A few recent examples, since I know someone's going to ask: One, Two, Three, Four, Five.
There are lots of others (and that doesn't even count non-lethal cases of obvious misuse of tasers, such as this one, this one, or this one).
I was going to give some examples of abuse as part of a longer comment, but Vlad got there (in style) ahead of me. While I appreciate the work done by good law enforcement officers, I don't value their lives and safety over anyone elses. There are too many examples of Tasers being abused. I move we ban them.
This is just a stunningly stupid statement from a brainwashed, and hopefully (for his sake) still young nitwit.
Before they had tasers to "cavalierly use", they were employing night sticks/billy clubs and choke-holds with great enthusiasm. I don't know that tasers are any more dangerous or cause any greater injuries -- in fact, I suspect that it is lower.
Which reminds me of a joke I recently heard:
"A lawyer gets pulled over by police for repeatedly driving through stop signs.
When the policeman asks him why he doesn't stop, the lawyer says he slowed down, and slowing down is basically the same as stopping.
After arguing about that a bit, the lawyer says: "Ok, show me how slowing down isn't as good as stopping and you can give me a ticket."
So the cop pulls out his billy club and starts beating on the guy and says" OK, what do you prefer? Do you want me to stop or do you want me to just slow down?"
Just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you: You're saying that the life of a policeman has more intrinsic value than the life of a civilian?
Because, if so... wow.
Where does "neither of the above" enter into the discussion as an option?
GOSH, tb, how could I have come this far and remained this misguided? Of course we should value one life more highly than another, solely because of occupation, and otherwise entirely in the abstract! Do you have other inane ideas about how we should all value life on the scale that you do, or is this it?
This cries out for a reliable study--anyone have a link?
And, of course, the need with any tools for applying force is proper training, strict guidelines for review, strong oversight, and the realistic employment of methods that are the safest possible for all involved.
Buy him another drink or two.
Sick Glenn Dorsey on him.
Pardon? I'm completely against automatic capital charges for the murder of a police officer instead of the murder of a baker. Does that make me a brainwashed nitwit?
This is the key, two word phrase. I value the lives of good cops over that of criminals, who are part of the sunset of humans who are not cops. If a perp is thrashing about the stationhouse endangering the safety of the cops, tase the m*##########, rather than risk getting hurt because he's drunk and disorderly. If you do pull kind of crap, what happens to you is on you, death or what have you. I don't feel its reasonable to ask the cops to risk injury in order to bring down some writhing, violent nutter. You probably disagree, or have major misgivings. That makes you a fringe nitwit in my book, YMMV.
You said "anyone elses". Anyone.
No. It does, however, apparently make tfbg9 a knee-jerk ... something.
Minimum necessary force. It's hard to accidentally kill someone with aikido, for example.
Talking can also be effective.
and then, we can all join hands and sign Kumbaya.
Take him to a strip club.
So, you lead with insult, then completely charge the tenets of the issue, make a spurious assumption that anyone the cops tase is guilty, announce that if someone dies in custody because he was drunk and disorderly, well, f**k 'em, and close by asserting that those of us who disagree with you is the "fringe nitwit"? I'm impressed, tf. I've never heard of anyone performing a circle-jerk entirely by themselves.
Well done!
Why shouldn't police be entitled to any equipment that can help them carry out their job safely? It's not like they're brawling with drunks because it's fun, it's a job.
They shouldn't have to risk their lives in an undue way just because they're not worth more than other people. I don't find it particularily noble to offer their health and safety as the price to pay for your high-minded thoughts.
Bazookas would make help the police force carry out their job safely, so would tanks, should we use them?
If you're going to rather thoroughly misstate what I wrote... I'm just not going to have
that argument today.
Guns are dangerous, would you arm the police with lollipops?
If tasers are used badly, educate the users. It's not like there are many other means of self defence that's not dangerous to the target.
Bazookas would make help the police force carry out their job safely, so would tanks, should we use them?
If the criminals drove tanks, then the police would need bazookas, as it is, it's not a very useful weapon.
Tasers are non-lethal weapons that have shown a disturbing tendency to be lethal.
I think the number of people "accidentally" killed by the police should be kept to the absolute minimum, but apparently opinions differ.
It's what you posted. Cops, civilains, predators, no difference, right?
And I clearly said anybody who ENDANGERS cops while in custody for whatever crime they were arrested for.
It's as if you forget that anybody can just go up the page and look what we each posted. Nitwit fits well.
And what is your valuable take on hate crimes legislation?
Cops risk their neck for us, and deserve the benefit of the doubt, and special laws to protect them, like higher penalties for their murder.
But if the alternative to risking an accident with a taser is the very real non-accidental probability of someone being killed with a gun?
You are a police officer, attacked by a knife-wielding maniac, do you:
a) shoot him
b) tase him
c) disarm him and subdue him with your smooth Aikido moves
Isn't the small accidental risk of a kill in b) preferable to either the big risk of a kill in a) or the personal risk you take in c)?
But the following has to go on any short list when discussing why it's foolish to assume the cops are always in the right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYMKyJRAabE
b)
Nobody is suggesting this, AFAICT. I have suggested they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Two differnent things, except for nitwits.
Of course, how stupid of me! Talking in order to defuse a tense situation NEVER works! I guess that's why hostage negotiators always burst in with guns blazing at the first opportunity!
Dumbass.
"I value the lives of good cops over that of criminals, who are part of the sunset of humans who are not cops. ... If you do pull kind of crap, what happens to you is on you, death or what have you."
You read the links that I posted, right? You're seriously trying to advance the contention that in all of those cases, police were in imminent danger of bodily harm if they didn't reach right for the taser? The deaf guy in the shower from the no-knock raid, the bedridden invalid, the man who was sleeping... all credible threats?
I guess you'd need to have a really outrageous case to change your mind, huh? Like a mentally disabled competitor in the Special Olympics, who got zapped while he was out running because he happened to have the same name as a guy wanted on a reckless driving warrant (Link)? Or a restaurant owner who got shocked in the head and bit off part of his tongue because a cop wanted to play a prank? (Link)? Or a pregnant woman (One, Two, Three)?
MM1f & billyshears have it right: Booty was not just some local-stud schoolboy, hyped by know-nothing rubes. EVERYONE, in and outside of Louisiana, thought he was going to be a star. He really was rated right alongside Peyton Manning in all the national recruiting rags, and major-league scouts drooled over him. Toe Nash doesn't really compare; I've never met anyone who ever saw him play. For all I know he's nothing but one of Gammons's masturbatory fantasies.
FWIW, Booty's successor at quarterback for Evangeline Christian was Brock Berlin, another super-prep football recruit who went on to be something of a bust.
Happy Base Ball
A.
That's a situation that calls for lethal force and that's why cops carry guns. I have no issue with cops using force to defend themselves or others, but the force needs to be proportional. Since tasers are "non-lethal," police are apparently willing to use them in situations that really don't seem to require that level of force.
Cops risk their neck for a paycheck. If they don't like that paycheck, they can quit the job. They don't deserve any special rights.
tfbg9 seems borderline retarded.
We all love anectdotes. Thank you for your completely honest, real life representation of taser implimentation.
I wasn't responding to your posts, by the way, it was the other nitwit. I tend to ignore you, since I have seen the type of ideas you generally advance. Your concern for the underdog deeply touches me, however.
If police only used tasers on knife-wielding maniacs, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Instead, though, tasers are commonly used on people who are just touched in the head, or drunk, or mouthy... and some of those people end up dying, when there was no compelling reason to taser them at all.
Another example:
That guy, an Iraq war vet with a squeaky-clean record, ended up getting tasered SEVEN times, and then when he "turn[ed] in a threatening manner" toward the officer who zapped him until the taser went dry, he got shot four times and died.
Wise words by an thoughtful ingrate. May you never have to find out the hard way why they do indeed deseve more from us.
We all love anectdotes. Thank you for your completely honest, real life representation of taser implimentation.
Yes, examples where a non lethal weapon turns lethal due to excessive use is not relevant to this discussion at all.
Did you miss your medication for today or something? Because your posts make you come across as a bigot or a retard.
Really? So, what does commonly mean? Usually? 75 % of the time, 50% of the time? 25%? How is it you are able to sleep at night, living in such a police state as you do? My goodness. Thank goodness for men like yourselves, who can put these matters into perspective for the rest of us sheep.
You don't actually believe any of this of course. You've just backed yourself into a corner.
With no one scrutinizing me
No pigs, no lying b*tch, no hassle
Y'all are brutalizing me.
Can't a man not drink his beer in silence?
Can't a man not crudely lie and scream?
Can't a man control his b*tch with violence?
Y'all are brutalizing me.
Gee, ya' think this guy hates cops for some reason?
Dumbass.
Hostage negotiators aren't being discussed because they aren't the topic of this argument which involves large, dangerous, intoxicated people who are so far gone that they are attacking cops in a police station.
Double Dumbass.
For the other posters in this thread, tf's savoring of someone else's pain is just mental illness. There's no point addressing him. I'm not being condescending when I write that I hope he manages to get through life without killing someone. Put him on your ignore list and enjoy the site a little more.
My pleasure. You want some more? Here's a mentally ill janitor who died after being beaten, tasered, and restrained in a stress position. Surveillance camera footage demonstrates that he didn't try to fight.
Want more? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me:
If you act like tasering someone is no big deal, then cops are going to force-escalate with their Tasers in all kinds of situations where they aren't strictly necessary.
"I tend to ignore you, since I have seen the type of ideas you generally advance."
Ah, you're a fan of the designated hitter! The pieces are coming together...
I'm grateful for the work they do. I'm glad I don't have to do it. But I don't think we should pass special laws for them.
tfbg9, who in your family was a cop?
Oh, I get it -- your meds have stopped working. I just hate it when that happens.
That, &/or you think anyone who doesn't fit in with your (&, I guess, Ann Coulter's) view of reality should be physically abused.
Get help, man.
No cops in my family.
Yes, the "Don't tase me bro" kid momentarily got stung, and quite painfullly. Poor guy. He was asking for it. He's way down my list for sympathy, but I guess you just feel for the brave lad. It was downright inspirational to see Kerry rush to his aid.
I just wish I could care as much as you guys about other people, our terribly abused criminal suspects in particular, and less about the safety of our policemen, who by and large do great, noble work. Oh well, what do you expect of a mentally ill retard, about to murder any any given moment.
I do know that as some of you grow up, you'll care less about the rights of predators, and more about crime victims and law officers and their safety.
Thanks for another walk-over ALDS, Vladdie.
Double Dumbass."
It helps if you click on the links, Srul. A lot of the examples I cited are minor things like traffic stops and emergency services calls that escalated up through verbal confrontation into the land of high voltage. With better communication, the innocent-and-upset citizenry don't become irate, the confrontation cools off, and nobody has to get zapped. Many of the rest are the result of mistaken identity, which again, could be fixed with better communication right from the get-go.
And I've said it before in the thread, but I guess I need to repeat it: Cops don't just use tasers on violent and dangerous offenders. How were the police under threat from this guy? He's 68-years old and partially incapacitated by a stroke, and the most threatening thing he did was try to drive away. And this grandmother looks like a real killer, doesn't she? I bet she had "Cop Killer" blasting on her stereo when she started the whole thing by honking her car horn.
You have a highly original sense of humor. Nice touch. That joke kills.
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Your comprehension and retention skills are sharp today. Lemmee guess, your parents sent you to public school?
And I'll bet you work for the government or something...yep! Bingo!
And my baseball team is better than your baseball team, too. All of your baseball teams. Heh heh.
/rides off into the sunset, once again vanquishing the nitwit cyber-commies.
Does anyone else find this remarkable? Is it SOP for police departments elsewhere to tase people for emulating Ghandi and offering passive resistance, i.e., presenting no threat whatsoever to police or bystanders?
Looking past the question of how zapping someone with 12,000 volts with the intention of making him fall from a high place is consistent with the idea of preventing injury to the man in question... since when is climbing a tree an imminent threat to public health and safety? Was this a situation that required immediate escalation to potentially lethal force?
Good thing that cop was so proactive about dealing with crime, that he didn't even wait until one had been committed.
Discuss.
Remarkable? No, unfortunately. Grotesque? Appalling? Yes. We've legalized certain kinds of torture, kidnapping, and murder. We've immunized our mercenary army from responsibility for crimes committed overseas. We have a government that wants to be able to invoke the death penalty at certain trials without troubling to show the accused the evidence against them. Why would the KC policy surprise you?
Oh, eat #### and take your holier-than-thou schtick elsewhere.
Cuz everyone was making such a big deal about two roosters pecking one another.
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