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Thursday, February 14, 2008

Former NFL, MLB Player Josh Booty Arrested for Drunk Driving, Tased for Not Cooperating

Notorious B.U.S.T.: Big Booty Hosed-Down

FOX Sportscaster Josh Booty was arrested early this morning for DUI—and was so uncooperative he had to be tased!

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ Booty was taken to the Orange County Jail, where he was booked—and that’s when he went ballistic.

O.C. Sheriff’s spokesperson Jim Amormino tell TMZ, “Booty was belligerent and uncooperative.” Amormino says his deputies used a taser—“less than lethal force”—to contain him.

After being tased, Josh fell to the ground, hitting his head on the floor and cracking it open. He was taken to a hospital where he was stitched up.

Thanks to Fanhouse.

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   1. A triple short of the cycle Posted: February 14, 2008 at 01:37 AM (#2690608)
He fell to the ground and hit his head. That's how his head was cracked open at a police station. Uh huh, right.
   2. Jeff K. Posted: February 14, 2008 at 01:39 AM (#2690610)
My godmother is the aunt of Josh and John David Booty. I don't know why I feel the need to say this, but I do.
   3. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 01:49 AM (#2690617)
Somehow I had never put together until just now that Josh and John David Booty were brothers. Nice.
   4. Srul Itza Posted: February 14, 2008 at 01:52 AM (#2690621)
How come we don't have any poster named "don't tase me, bro"?

Or did we have one at one time, and I just missed it?
   5. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: February 14, 2008 at 01:59 AM (#2690627)
How come we don't have any poster named "don't tase me, bro"?

Or did we have one at one time, and I just missed it?


We did, possibly still do. It went something like "Don't tase (familiar screen name), bro"
   6. Srul Itza Posted: February 14, 2008 at 02:03 AM (#2690634)
Hey, that's right.

nevermind.
   7. El Hijo del Ron Santo (Alan Keiper) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 02:28 AM (#2690651)
I was going to question the MLB part, but he got a cup of coffee somehow. Between baseball and football, how the heck did baseball end up being the major league he made it to?
   8. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: February 14, 2008 at 02:42 AM (#2690658)
He made the NFL as well, just never threw a pass.
   9. Chris Needham Posted: February 14, 2008 at 03:16 AM (#2690678)
8 posts and nobody's made a Rob Neyer joke or reference?

Man, you guys are disappointing!
   10. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: February 14, 2008 at 03:39 AM (#2690700)
Is John David Booty related to John Parker Wilson?
   11. Rich Rifkin I Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:11 AM (#2690729)
Carnie Wilson once swallowed John Parker Wilson and apparently Sarah Jessica Parker popped out the other side.
   12. scareduck Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:22 AM (#2690740)
Booty had bad timing: a few months ago, he probably could have bought his way out of this. OC's corruptible (ex-) sheriff Mike Carona is fighting federal charges of corruption. The fact that he was willing to take free legal advice (also illegal under state law) from a pair of criminal attorneys tells me he has absolutely no scruples whatsoever. Of course, the coverup of a gang-rape by the son of his big-money campaign contributor -- and, get this, assistant sheriff Don Haidl -- was probably a bigger first clue.

He fell, huh? I wonder what Josh's story is.
   13. MM1f Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:53 AM (#2690765)
No one remembers this but there was an active debate a decade or two ago about who the nation's top HS QB prospect was. Josh Booty from Shreveport, LA powerhouse Evangel Christian.. a baptist academy where somethink like 50% of the male population is on the football team or...

anyone want to guess...


anyone...

or Peyton Manning from New Orleans' Isidore Newman School.

It was a perfect debate. North Louisiana vs. South Louisiana (for those that don't know, the two regions are kind of different states).

Both had star WR brothers and, unknown at the time, both would have younger brothers become star QBs.

I think most people actually rated Booty higher. Wiki says "Booty was named to the All-Time National High School All-American team by Dick Butkus along with Joe Namath and John Elway."

So, yeah, he was kind of a big deal in football.
   14. MM1f Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:58 AM (#2690767)
Somehow I had never put together until just now that Josh and John David Booty were brothers. Nice.

Another brother, Abrham, was a starting WR at LSU several years ago. Damn good one too.

"I was going to question the MLB part, but he got a cup of coffee somehow. Between baseball and football, how the heck did baseball end up being the major league he made it to?"

First round pick as a SS/3b. Got rushed to the majors. Didn't hit. Washed out of the minors.
Went back to football where he was a star, and his older brother was a starting WR at LSU.
Played fairly well at LSU for a year or two. Went pro. Washed out there too.

Hes kind of a sad story of squandered potential. I wonder what he could have been if he had focused all on one sport...if he hadn't have been rushed in baseball and stuck with the sport longer than he did or if he had never played pro ball and became a college QB right from high school.

Wiki says he is hitting this:
http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/rachelreynolds/rachel_reynolds_1.jpg
if anyone cares
   15. billyshears Posted: February 14, 2008 at 05:58 AM (#2690799)
Hes kind of a sad story of squandered potential. I wonder what he could have been if he had focused all on one sport...if he hadn't have been rushed in baseball and stuck with the sport longer than he did or if he had never played pro ball and became a college QB right from high school.


Two sport athletes shouldn't play baseball. It's too hard.
   16. Tricky Dick Posted: February 14, 2008 at 06:00 AM (#2690801)
“less than lethal force”

Well, I would hope so. It's good that they didn't decide to give him more than a lethal dose.
   17. Charter Member of the Jesus Melendez Fanclub Posted: February 14, 2008 at 06:08 AM (#2690803)
Wiki says he is hitting this:
http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/rachelreynolds/rachel_reynolds_1.jpg


Not really my style, but I'd smash it.
   18. Harvey Berkman Posted: February 14, 2008 at 11:13 AM (#2690840)
Wiki says he is hitting this:
http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/rachelreynolds/rachel_reynolds_1.jpg

Not really my style, but I'd smash it.


Not sure how that's not your style, but I'm in like Flynt
   19. Joe Bivens, Schmoo from Massachoosetts Posted: February 14, 2008 at 12:09 PM (#2690842)
Both had star WR brothers and, unknown at the time, both would have younger brothers become star QBs.

Who? Booty? Never heard of him.
   20. Don't want the truth; just wanna see some dingers Posted: February 14, 2008 at 01:12 PM (#2690861)
OC's corruptible (ex-) sheriff Mike Carona is fighting federal charges of corruption. The fact that he was willing to take free legal advice (also illegal under state law) from a pair of criminal attorneys tells me he has absolutely no scruples whatsoever. Of course, the coverup of a gang-rape by the son of his big-money campaign contributor -- and, get this, assistant sheriff Don Haidl -- was probably a bigger first clue.


I don't like your jerkoff name, I don't like your jerkoff face, and I don't like your jerkoff behavior
   21. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 01:42 PM (#2690872)
He fell, huh? I wonder what Josh's story is.

If they had go so far as to tase him, the cops don't need to make up a story--a crack on the head would've been part of the "treatment".

When they Miranda'd him, did they tell him he had the right to one Booty call?

When he got free on bail, did they tell him he was now loose Booty?

I heard Pittsburgh is interested in him. That might make him Pirate Booty.
   22. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 14, 2008 at 03:27 PM (#2690951)
Hes kind of a sad story of squandered potential. I wonder what he could have been if he had focused all on one sport...if he hadn't have been rushed in baseball and stuck with the sport longer than he did or if he had never played pro ball and became a college QB right from high school.


Every state has a story (many of 'em, probably) like this, I'll bet. Arkansas' was a kid named Basil Shabazz, who was all-world in football (track, too) & wound up playing a little high school baseball as sort of a lark (a younger teammate was Torii Hunter), then showed enough to get drafted by the Cardinals but never did a bloody thing on the diamond. Apparently, when he tried returning to football a few years later at the University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff, he just didn't have it anymore. I just found an interesting recap at http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/schwarz_alan/1396641.html
   23. bunyon Posted: February 14, 2008 at 03:33 PM (#2690959)
Every state has a story (many of 'em, probably) like this, I'll bet.

And most high schools have a similar story. Local hero goes off to big time college. Comes back a few years later washed up and hungover.
   24. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 14, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2690963)
Yep. When I was in junior high or thereabouts the center of our state championship basketball team got a nice scholarship to play at the cow college one county over (that I wound up graduating from, as did Auburn football coach Tommy Tuberville) but may not've even made it to the start of the hoops season. The fact that he was 6'2 probably didn't help. Trying to reinvent oneself as a guard at even the very-small-college level couldn't be easy.
   25. billyshears Posted: February 14, 2008 at 03:56 PM (#2690973)
Josh Booty was the 5th overall pick in the baseball draft in 1994 and generally considered to be the top QB recruit in the country. This isn't any local hero. This is Drew Henson if Drew Henson wasn't on the Yankees.
   26. Big Train Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:01 PM (#2690976)
Is anyone else concerned about the use of the taser by law enforcement officials?
   27. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:10 PM (#2690988)
Is anyone else concerned about the use of the taser by law enforcement officials?


OK, I'll take a flying f*ck at the translation of the above:

I'm a large man who tends to hit the sauce like a fish, and can be an unwieldy drunk, and am therefore
afraid I'll be zapped in the future.

How'd I do? :-)
   28. MM1f Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:33 PM (#2691009)
"Two sport athletes shouldn't play baseball. It's too hard."

For a two sport athlete, going pro in baseball out of HS is almost always the best financial decision. Some guys (John Elway, DeSean Jackson..looks like Chad Jones is on his way) make the football path work best money-wise but a top baseball/football prospect can get 500k-1 mil out of high school. If a guy goes to college, even if he becomes a good FB player, the odds of getting drafted and making the league are much lower.
   29. MM1f Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:35 PM (#2691011)
Who? Booty? Never heard of him.

Abrahm Booty was LSU's leading receiver for a couple years. I guess he would have played in the late 90s-Early 00s. So the end of the DiNardo* era, and the start of the Saban dynasty


*hes a nice guy
   30. MM1f Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2691025)

Every state has a story (many of 'em, probably) like this, I'll bet.


Louisiana has a much sadder one in Trey Prather.
Prather starred as a HS QB at Shreveport Woodlawn HS. He was part a group of star QBs Woodlawn produced. First Joe Ferguson was hotly recruited, chose Arkansas, and later played in the NFL for awhile. I think Prather, a HS All-America, was their next starter. He was hotly recruited by the big schools and picked LSU. After his freshman year, he quit the football team and volunteered for the Army and went to Vietnam. He stepped on a land mine and died in some damn jungle over there.

A guy with all the potential in the world, who could make anyones football team, decides to quit the game after a year and winds up dead in a jungle

The kid who backed up Prather in HS called him the best QB he had ever played with.
That "kid" being Terry Bradshaw, the third in the Shreveport Woodlawn QB Factory.
The fourth Woodlawn QB ....?

...was Johnny Booty; father of Josh, John David and Abram Booty
   31. Big Train Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2691027)
How'd I do? :-)

I have been drinking for a long time. I have never even been warned for disorderly behavior. I have no record. I have been cut off once in my life.

No, my concern is for my fellow man. I am alarmed by the cavalier use of the taser in some cases I have seen.
   32. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: February 14, 2008 at 04:59 PM (#2691034)
Every state has a story (many of 'em, probably) like this, I'll bet.

And most high schools have a similar story. Local hero goes off to big time college. Comes back a few years later washed up and hungover.




Here's one from your state, bunyon.
   33. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 14, 2008 at 05:04 PM (#2691041)
Is anyone else concerned about the use of the taser by law enforcement officials?

The fact that they sometimes kill people is concerning.
   34. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 14, 2008 at 05:08 PM (#2691047)
First Joe Ferguson was hotly recruited, chose Arkansas, and later played in the NFL for awhile.


*ahem* "For awhile" = 18 seasons. (While catching mostly for the Dodgers in the offseason!)

Your chronology is a bit off, though. Prather & Bradshaw preceded Bullet Joe at Woodlawn.
   35. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 05:15 PM (#2691059)
"Is anyone else concerned about the use of the taser by law enforcement officials?"

I am. For a supposedly non-lethal weapon, a whole bunch of people seem to end up mysteriously dead after getting zapped by one.

A few recent examples, since I know someone's going to ask: One, Two, Three, Four, Five.

There are lots of others (and that doesn't even count non-lethal cases of obvious misuse of tasers, such as this one, this one, or this one).
   36. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#2691096)
Is anyone else concerned about the use of the taser by law enforcement officials?


I was going to give some examples of abuse as part of a longer comment, but Vlad got there (in style) ahead of me. While I appreciate the work done by good law enforcement officers, I don't value their lives and safety over anyone elses. There are too many examples of Tasers being abused. I move we ban them.
   37. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#2691108)
While I appreciate the work done by good law enforcement officers, I don't value their lives and safety over anyone elses.


This is just a stunningly stupid statement from a brainwashed, and hopefully (for his sake) still young nitwit.
   38. Srul Itza Posted: February 14, 2008 at 06:19 PM (#2691148)
No, my concern is for my fellow man. I am alarmed by the cavalier use of the taser in some cases I have seen.

Before they had tasers to "cavalierly use", they were employing night sticks/billy clubs and choke-holds with great enthusiasm. I don't know that tasers are any more dangerous or cause any greater injuries -- in fact, I suspect that it is lower.
   39. Big Train Posted: February 14, 2008 at 06:46 PM (#2691176)
That must have killed in the barracks.
   40. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2691200)
"This is just a stunningly stupid statement from a brainwashed, and hopefully (for his sake) still young nitwit."

Just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you: You're saying that the life of a policeman has more intrinsic value than the life of a civilian?

Because, if so... wow.
   41. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:01 PM (#2691202)
"Before they had tasers to "cavalierly use", they were employing night sticks/billy clubs and choke-holds with great enthusiasm."

Where does "neither of the above" enter into the discussion as an option?
   42. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:06 PM (#2691213)
This is just a stunningly stupid statement from a brainwashed, and hopefully (for his sake) still young nitwit.


GOSH, tb, how could I have come this far and remained this misguided? Of course we should value one life more highly than another, solely because of occupation, and otherwise entirely in the abstract! Do you have other inane ideas about how we should all value life on the scale that you do, or is this it?


Before they had tasers to "cavalierly use", they were employing night sticks/billy clubs and choke-holds with great enthusiasm. I don't know that tasers are any more dangerous or cause any greater injuries -- in fact, I suspect that it is lower.


This cries out for a reliable study--anyone have a link?

And, of course, the need with any tools for applying force is proper training, strict guidelines for review, strong oversight, and the realistic employment of methods that are the safest possible for all involved.
   43. Chrysler Town & Country Slaughter (Walewander) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:14 PM (#2691226)
Case Three linked above was stunningly tragic. A mother saving up for years to bring her son to Canada, he waits ten hours in the airport hallways, unable to speak English or find a Polish speaker, passed through various bureacrats while the mother waits outside in the gate, then tasered for no discernible reason and dies...just a horrible story, and a damning comment on the airport and policing procedures in Vancouver.
   44. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:16 PM (#2691229)
O.K., I'll bite...what is the safest way to subdue a 6'3" 210# athlete who is drunk out of his gourd?
   45. Cowboy Popup Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:21 PM (#2691239)
O.K., I'll bite...what is the safest way to subdue a 6'3" 210# athlete who is drunk out of his gourd?

Sick Glenn Dorsey on him.
   46. Jeff K. Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:21 PM (#2691242)
This is just a stunningly stupid statement from a brainwashed, and hopefully (for his sake) still young nitwit.

Pardon? I'm completely against automatic capital charges for the murder of a police officer instead of the murder of a baker. Does that make me a brainwashed nitwit?
   47. PreservedFish Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2691250)
Remember Toe Nash? I wonder what happened to him. Although I guess the answer involves jail.
   48. Rodder Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:31 PM (#2691253)
Since he was driving wasted on a section of the freeway my wife drives on regularly, I am all for execution by taser.
   49. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:51 PM (#2691271)
anyone elses


This is the key, two word phrase. I value the lives of good cops over that of criminals, who are part of the sunset of humans who are not cops. If a perp is thrashing about the stationhouse endangering the safety of the cops, tase the m*therfucker, rather than risk getting hurt because he's drunk and disorderly. If you do pull kind of crap, what happens to you is on you, death or what have you. I don't feel its reasonable to ask the cops to risk injury in order to bring down some writhing, violent nutter. You probably disagree, or have major misgivings. That makes you a fringe nitwit in my book, YMMV.

You said "anyone elses". Anyone.
   50. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:52 PM (#2691272)
Pardon? I'm completely against automatic capital charges for the murder of a police officer instead of the murder of a baker. Does that make me a brainwashed nitwit?


No. It does, however, apparently make tfbg9 a knee-jerk ... something.
   51. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 07:58 PM (#2691279)
"O.K., I'll bite...what is the safest way to subdue a 6'3" 210# athlete who is drunk out of his gourd?"

Minimum necessary force. It's hard to accidentally kill someone with aikido, for example.

Talking can also be effective.
   52. Srul Itza Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2691283)
Talking can also be effective.

and then, we can all join hands and sign Kumbaya.
   53. Swedish Chef Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2691285)
O.K., I'll bite...what is the safest way to subdue a 6'3" 210# athlete who is drunk out of his gourd?


Take him to a strip club.
   54. Big Train Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2691287)
What about, say, handcuffs? Cells?
   55. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2691288)
This is the key, two word phrase. I value the lives of good cops over that of criminals, who are part of the sunset of humans who are not cops. If a perp is thrashing about the stationhouse endangering the safety of the cops, tase the m*therfucker, rather than risk getting hurt because he's drunk and disorderly. If you do pull kind of crap, what happens to you is on you, death or what have you. I don't feel its reasonable to ask the cops to risk injury in order to bring down some writhing, violent nutter. You probably disagree, or have major misgivings. That makes you a fringe nitwit in my book, YMMV.

You said "anyone elses". Anyone.


So, you lead with insult, then completely charge the tenets of the issue, make a spurious assumption that anyone the cops tase is guilty, announce that if someone dies in custody because he was drunk and disorderly, well, f**k 'em, and close by asserting that those of us who disagree with you is the "fringe nitwit"? I'm impressed, tf. I've never heard of anyone performing a circle-jerk entirely by themselves.
Well done!
   56. Swedish Chef Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:18 PM (#2691293)
While I appreciate the work done by good law enforcement officers, I don't value their lives and safety over anyone elses. There are too many examples of Tasers being abused. I move we ban them.


Why shouldn't police be entitled to any equipment that can help them carry out their job safely? It's not like they're brawling with drunks because it's fun, it's a job.

They shouldn't have to risk their lives in an undue way just because they're not worth more than other people. I don't find it particularily noble to offer their health and safety as the price to pay for your high-minded thoughts.
   57. Big Train Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2691295)
Because tasers are dangerous, and in many cases used unnecessarily and for too long?

Bazookas would make help the police force carry out their job safely, so would tanks, should we use them?
   58. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:26 PM (#2691297)
Why shouldn't police be entitled to any equipment that can help them carry out their job safely? It's not like they're brawling with drunks because it's fun, it's a job.

They shouldn't have to risk their lives in an undue way just because they're not worth more than other people. I don't find it particularily noble to offer their health and safety as the price to pay for your high-minded thoughts.


If you're going to rather thoroughly misstate what I wrote... I'm just not going to have
that argument today.
   59. Swedish Chef Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:31 PM (#2691307)
Because tasers are dangerous, and in many cases used unnecessarily and for too long?


Guns are dangerous, would you arm the police with lollipops?

If tasers are used badly, educate the users. It's not like there are many other means of self defence that's not dangerous to the target.

Bazookas would make help the police force carry out their job safely, so would tanks, should we use them?


If the criminals drove tanks, then the police would need bazookas, as it is, it's not a very useful weapon.
   60. The Good Face Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:47 PM (#2691328)
Guns are lethal weapons and happen to be... well... lethal.

Tasers are non-lethal weapons that have shown a disturbing tendency to be lethal.

I think the number of people "accidentally" killed by the police should be kept to the absolute minimum, but apparently opinions differ.
   61. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:49 PM (#2691329)
I didn't change the "tenets" of the issue.

"While I appreciate the work done by good law enforcement officers, I don't value their lives and safety over anyone elses. There are too many examples of Tasers being abused. I move we ban them."


It's what you posted. Cops, civilains, predators, no difference, right?


And I clearly said anybody who ENDANGERS cops while in custody for whatever crime they were arrested for.

It's as if you forget that anybody can just go up the page and look what we each posted. Nitwit fits well.
   62. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:52 PM (#2691335)
Pardon? I'm completely against automatic capital charges for the murder of a police officer instead of the murder of a baker. Does that make me a brainwashed nitwit?


No. It does, however, apparently make tfbg9 a knee-jerk ... something.


And what is your valuable take on hate crimes legislation?

Cops risk their neck for us, and deserve the benefit of the doubt, and special laws to protect them, like higher penalties for their murder.
   63. Swedish Chef Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:57 PM (#2691344)
I think the number of people "accidentally" killed by the police should be kept to the absolute minimum, but apparently opinions differ.


But if the alternative to risking an accident with a taser is the very real non-accidental probability of someone being killed with a gun?

You are a police officer, attacked by a knife-wielding maniac, do you:

a) shoot him
b) tase him
c) disarm him and subdue him with your smooth Aikido moves

Isn't the small accidental risk of a kill in b) preferable to either the big risk of a kill in a) or the personal risk you take in c)?
   64. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 08:58 PM (#2691347)
a)
   65. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:01 PM (#2691349)
Sort of speaking of Vlad's examples--despite all the hoopla, it was extraordinarily clear that the student in the 'don't tase me, bro' episode was the victim of extreme overreaction by the cops. He had the nerve to very mildly harangue John Kerry, wasn't any where near Kerry, wasn't threatening in any sense throughout the episode, was hugely outnumbered, and when tased was actually on the ground. His "crime", apparently, was not immediately shutting up when told, even though he had the microphone at that point.

But the following has to go on any short list when discussing why it's foolish to assume the cops are always in the right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYMKyJRAabE
   66. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:03 PM (#2691351)
You are a police officer, attacked by a big drunken maniac, do you:


b)
   67. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:05 PM (#2691353)
it's foolish to assume the cops are always in the right


Nobody is suggesting this, AFAICT. I have suggested they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Two differnent things, except for nitwits.
   68. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:06 PM (#2691354)
"and then, we can all join hands and sign Kumbaya."

Of course, how stupid of me! Talking in order to defuse a tense situation NEVER works! I guess that's why hostage negotiators always burst in with guns blazing at the first opportunity!

Dumbass.

"I value the lives of good cops over that of criminals, who are part of the sunset of humans who are not cops. ... If you do pull kind of crap, what happens to you is on you, death or what have you."

You read the links that I posted, right? You're seriously trying to advance the contention that in all of those cases, police were in imminent danger of bodily harm if they didn't reach right for the taser? The deaf guy in the shower from the no-knock raid, the bedridden invalid, the man who was sleeping... all credible threats?

I guess you'd need to have a really outrageous case to change your mind, huh? Like a mentally disabled competitor in the Special Olympics, who got zapped while he was out running because he happened to have the same name as a guy wanted on a reckless driving warrant (Link)? Or a restaurant owner who got shocked in the head and bit off part of his tongue because a cop wanted to play a prank? (Link)? Or a pregnant woman (One, Two, Three)?
   69. Christopher Linden Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:09 PM (#2691358)
MM1f, where are you from?

MM1f & billyshears have it right: Booty was not just some local-stud schoolboy, hyped by know-nothing rubes. EVERYONE, in and outside of Louisiana, thought he was going to be a star. He really was rated right alongside Peyton Manning in all the national recruiting rags, and major-league scouts drooled over him. Toe Nash doesn't really compare; I've never met anyone who ever saw him play. For all I know he's nothing but one of Gammons's masturbatory fantasies.

FWIW, Booty's successor at quarterback for Evangeline Christian was Brock Berlin, another super-prep football recruit who went on to be something of a bust.

Happy Base Ball
   70. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:09 PM (#2691359)
That "Don't tase me bro" brainwashed Moveon.org little snot getting tased was the sweetest clip of the year, BTW.
   71. The Good Face Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:09 PM (#2691361)
You are a police officer, attacked by a knife-wielding maniac, do you:

a) shoot him
b) tase him
c) disarm him and subdue him with your smooth Aikido moves


A.

That's a situation that calls for lethal force and that's why cops carry guns. I have no issue with cops using force to defend themselves or others, but the force needs to be proportional. Since tasers are "non-lethal," police are apparently willing to use them in situations that really don't seem to require that level of force.
   72. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:11 PM (#2691365)
Cops risk their neck for us, and deserve the benefit of the doubt, and special laws to protect them, like higher penalties for their murder.

Cops risk their neck for a paycheck. If they don't like that paycheck, they can quit the job. They don't deserve any special rights.

tfbg9 seems borderline retarded.
   73. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:15 PM (#2691374)
You read the links that I posted, right? You're seriously trying to advance the contention that in all of those cases, police were in imminent danger of bodily harm if they didn't reach right for the taser? The deaf guy in the shower from the no-knock raid, the bedridden invalid, the man who was sleeping... all credible threats?

I guess you'd need to have a really outrageous case to change your mind, huh? Like a mentally disabled competitor in the Special Olympics, who got zapped while he was out running because he happened to have the same name as a guy wanted on a reckless driving warrant (Link)? Or a restaurant owner who got shocked in the head and bit off part of his tongue because a cop wanted to play a prank? (Link)? Or a pregnant woman


We all love anectdotes. Thank you for your completely honest, real life representation of taser implimentation.

I wasn't responding to your posts, by the way, it was the other nitwit. I tend to ignore you, since I have seen the type of ideas you generally advance. Your concern for the underdog deeply touches me, however.
   74. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:18 PM (#2691381)
"You are a police officer, attacked by a knife-wielding maniac, do you:"

If police only used tasers on knife-wielding maniacs, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Instead, though, tasers are commonly used on people who are just touched in the head, or drunk, or mouthy... and some of those people end up dying, when there was no compelling reason to taser them at all.

Another example:
Four members of Mixson's work crew witnessed the shooting from a variety of angles and distances, although Mixson was the only one interviewed by investigators after the shooting and the only one willing to allow his name to be used for this article.

But in interviews with The News Journal last week, all five said Hale did not pose a threat.
[...]
Mixson and his crew had barely noticed Hale before he was confronted by police. Hale, they said, was chatting with Sandra Lopez and two children at the top of a 10-step concrete stoop. Hale was seated on the third step from the top. Mixson and another witness were standing across the street from 1403, while others were on the sidewalk in front of a row house adjacent to the site of the shooting.

The officers ordered Hale to take his hands out of the front pockets of his hooded sweat shirt.

"About a second later, they Tasered him," Mixson recalled. "He was just sitting there. He didn't do anything."
[...]
The witnesses said Hale shook violently from the charge, as if sitting on an electric chair. His right hand came out of the front of his sweat shirt and was shaking violently.

Seconds later, police repeated their command for Hale to show them his hands, and they Tasered him a second time.

Mixson and others said Hale, who was still seated on the steps, rolled onto his left side and vomited into a flower bed.

"My brother yelled at the police that this was overkill. That this was crazy," Mixson said. "They told him to 'shut ... up,' or they'd show him overkill."

Hale rolled back to his right, into a sitting position, still shaking, and police Tasered him a third time, Mixson said.

Lopez, who lived at the home where Hale was killed and was talking to Hale when police arrived, told her attorney Hale was trying to show police his hands. Lopez was standing with her two young children until police ordered her to move.

That guy, an Iraq war vet with a squeaky-clean record, ended up getting tasered SEVEN times, and then when he "turn[ed] in a threatening manner" toward the officer who zapped him until the taser went dry, he got shot four times and died.
   75. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:19 PM (#2691383)
Cops risk their neck for a paycheck. If they don't like that paycheck, they can quit the job. They don't deserve any special rights.


Wise words by an thoughtful ingrate. May you never have to find out the hard way why they do indeed deseve more from us.
   76. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:20 PM (#2691384)
That "Don't tase me bro" brainwashed Moveon.org little snot getting tased was the sweetest clip of the year, BTW.

We all love anectdotes. Thank you for your completely honest, real life representation of taser implimentation.


Yes, examples where a non lethal weapon turns lethal due to excessive use is not relevant to this discussion at all.

Did you miss your medication for today or something? Because your posts make you come across as a bigot or a retard.
   77. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:24 PM (#2691387)
commonly used on people

Really? So, what does commonly mean? Usually? 75 % of the time, 50% of the time? 25%? How is it you are able to sleep at night, living in such a police state as you do? My goodness. Thank goodness for men like yourselves, who can put these matters into perspective for the rest of us sheep.

You don't actually believe any of this of course. You've just backed yourself into a corner.
   78. Esoteric Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:26 PM (#2691390)
I thought that my home was my castle
With no one scrutinizing me
No pigs, no lying b*tch, no hassle
Y'all are brutalizing me.

Can't a man not drink his beer in silence?
Can't a man not crudely lie and scream?
Can't a man control his b*tch with violence?
Y'all are brutalizing me.
   79. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:29 PM (#2691394)
Cops risk their neck for a paycheck. If they don't like that paycheck, they can quit the job. They don't deserve any special rights.


Gee, ya' think this guy hates cops for some reason?
   80. Srul Itza Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:30 PM (#2691395)
Of course, how stupid of me! Talking in order to defuse a tense situation NEVER works! I guess that's why hostage negotiators always burst in with guns blazing at the first opportunity!

Dumbass.


Hostage negotiators aren't being discussed because they aren't the topic of this argument which involves large, dangerous, intoxicated people who are so far gone that they are attacking cops in a police station.

Double Dumbass.
   81. Cowboy Popup Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:37 PM (#2691399)
Lots of name calling in this thread. Once the season starts, I assume this will all be redirected towards the announcers.
   82. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:45 PM (#2691408)
Solid posts, Vlad. I had been wondering if tf was just a guy having a bad day, or just not capable of reading and understanding what was in front of him--he did seem like one of those folks who gives your words whatever meaning he wants so that he can go off on you. Then he posted:

That "Don't tase me bro" brainwashed Moveon.org little snot getting tased was the sweetest clip of the year, BTW.


For the other posters in this thread, tf's savoring of someone else's pain is just mental illness. There's no point addressing him. I'm not being condescending when I write that I hope he manages to get through life without killing someone. Put him on your ignore list and enjoy the site a little more.
   83. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:48 PM (#2691411)
"Thank you for your completely honest, real life representation of taser implimentation. "

My pleasure. You want some more? Here's a mentally ill janitor who died after being beaten, tasered, and restrained in a stress position. Surveillance camera footage demonstrates that he didn't try to fight.

Want more? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me:
"41-year-old Charles Dix, who resigned in 2005 and now lives in Michigan where he works as a surgical technician, faces up to 10-years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

Last year Dix admitted to using excessive force when he used a Taser on Martha Bledsoe in 2004 as she was attempting to report a child abuse allegation. The sheriff's office was forced to pay her $250,000 in restitution.

In 2003 Dix shot a man with a Taser four times in a motel parking lot as the man tried to comfort his wife after a minor traffic accident. The sheriff's office was forced to pay out $150,000 in that case though Dix did not face criminal charges.

If you act like tasering someone is no big deal, then cops are going to force-escalate with their Tasers in all kinds of situations where they aren't strictly necessary.

"I tend to ignore you, since I have seen the type of ideas you generally advance."

Ah, you're a fan of the designated hitter! The pieces are coming together...
   84. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 14, 2008 at 09:48 PM (#2691412)
Wise words by an thoughtful ingrate. May you never have to find out the hard way why they do indeed deseve more from us.

I'm grateful for the work they do. I'm glad I don't have to do it. But I don't think we should pass special laws for them.

tfbg9, who in your family was a cop?
   85. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:04 PM (#2691433)
That "Don't tase me bro" brainwashed Moveon.org little snot getting tased was the sweetest clip of the year, BTW.


Oh, I get it -- your meds have stopped working. I just hate it when that happens.

That, &/or you think anyone who doesn't fit in with your (&, I guess, Ann Coulter's) view of reality should be physically abused.

Get help, man.
   86. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:06 PM (#2691435)
tfbg9, who in your family was a cop?


No cops in my family.

Yes, the "Don't tase me bro" kid momentarily got stung, and quite painfullly. Poor guy. He was asking for it. He's way down my list for sympathy, but I guess you just feel for the brave lad. It was downright inspirational to see Kerry rush to his aid.

I just wish I could care as much as you guys about other people, our terribly abused criminal suspects in particular, and less about the safety of our policemen, who by and large do great, noble work. Oh well, what do you expect of a mentally ill retard, about to murder any any given moment.

I do know that as some of you grow up, you'll care less about the rights of predators, and more about crime victims and law officers and their safety.

Thanks for another walk-over ALDS, Vladdie.
   87. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:10 PM (#2691436)
I look forward to the day when you grow up, too. Godspeed.
   88. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:14 PM (#2691438)
"Hostage negotiators aren't being discussed because they aren't the topic of this argument which involves large, dangerous, intoxicated people who are so far gone that they are attacking cops in a police station.

Double Dumbass."


It helps if you click on the links, Srul. A lot of the examples I cited are minor things like traffic stops and emergency services calls that escalated up through verbal confrontation into the land of high voltage. With better communication, the innocent-and-upset citizenry don't become irate, the confrontation cools off, and nobody has to get zapped. Many of the rest are the result of mistaken identity, which again, could be fixed with better communication right from the get-go.

And I've said it before in the thread, but I guess I need to repeat it: Cops don't just use tasers on violent and dangerous offenders. How were the police under threat from this guy? He's 68-years old and partially incapacitated by a stroke, and the most threatening thing he did was try to drive away. And this grandmother looks like a real killer, doesn't she? I bet she had "Cop Killer" blasting on her stereo when she started the whole thing by honking her car horn.
   89. tfbg9 Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:14 PM (#2691439)
Oh, I get it -- your meds have stopped working. I just hate it when that happens.


You have a highly original sense of humor. Nice touch. That joke kills.

That, &/or you think anyone who doesn't fit in with your (&, I guess, Ann Coulter's) view of reality should be physically abused.

Get help, man.


Yes, that's exactly what I said. Your comprehension and retention skills are sharp today. Lemmee guess, your parents sent you to public school?

And I'll bet you work for the government or something...yep! Bingo!

And my baseball team is better than your baseball team, too. All of your baseball teams. Heh heh.

/rides off into the sunset, once again vanquishing the nitwit cyber-commies.
   90. Chris Hansen, NBC Dateline Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:21 PM (#2691445)
Just wait 'til a cop tasers him, BLB. I'm sure we'll be hearing all about the joys of getting "momentarily stung" afterwards.
   91. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:22 PM (#2691447)
From the second of Vlad's two links in #91:

Police Capt. Rich Lockhart said it is the policy of the Kansas City Police Department "to use the Taser (gun) when someone is being passively resistant, refusing to obey verbal commands."


Does anyone else find this remarkable? Is it SOP for police departments elsewhere to tase people for emulating Ghandi and offering passive resistance, i.e., presenting no threat whatsoever to police or bystanders?
   92. Chris Hansen, NBC Dateline Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:23 PM (#2691449)
EDIT: You know what, forget it. Not stooping to sixth-grade level.
   93. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM (#2691461)
"I do know that as some of you grow up, you'll care less about the rights of predators, and more about crime victims and law officers and their safety."

A sheriff's deputy who was trying to get a man down from a tree shot and wounded him after mistakenly pulling a gun instead of a Taser, authorities say.
[...]
The man had climbed a fig tree and stayed there for hours, talking to himself. Deputies were unsure whether he was intoxicated or psychotic, and they wanted to get him down before he hurt himself or others, Wilson said. -MSNBC


Looking past the question of how zapping someone with 12,000 volts with the intention of making him fall from a high place is consistent with the idea of preventing injury to the man in question... since when is climbing a tree an imminent threat to public health and safety? Was this a situation that required immediate escalation to potentially lethal force?

Good thing that cop was so proactive about dealing with crime, that he didn't even wait until one had been committed.
   94. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:37 PM (#2691467)
You are a police officer in Milwaukee, and you see a person walking while black, do you:

a) shoot him
b) tase him
c) tase him, then shoot him


Discuss.
   95. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:38 PM (#2691468)
Does anyone else find this remarkable? Is it SOP for police departments elsewhere to tase people for emulating Ghandi and offering passive resistance, i.e., presenting no threat whatsoever to police or bystanders?


Remarkable? No, unfortunately. Grotesque? Appalling? Yes. We've legalized certain kinds of torture, kidnapping, and murder. We've immunized our mercenary army from responsibility for crimes committed overseas. We have a government that wants to be able to invoke the death penalty at certain trials without troubling to show the accused the evidence against them. Why would the KC policy surprise you?
   96. Cowboy Popup Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:40 PM (#2691469)
Why would the KC policy surprise you?

Cuz everyone was making such a big deal about two roosters pecking one another.
   97. Jeff K. Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:40 PM (#2691470)
I do know that as some of you grow up, you'll care less about the rights of predators, and more about crime victims and law officers and their safety.

Oh, eat #### and take your holier-than-thou schtick elsewhere.
   98. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:51 PM (#2691484)
So, let's see. We've got tasers used against the handicapped, the elderly, the pregnant, and the mentally unsound... haven't posted any actual children yet, though.

a 12-year-old girl who was skipping school was found drinking and smoking in a swimming pool, Miami-Dade police officer William Nelson stated in an incident report. He said he responded to an anonymous call about the activities.

He said he told the girl he was taking her to school. As they walked to the police car, she ran away.

"I advised her to stop several times," he said in the report. She "continued running even to the point of starting to run into lanes of traffic."

Nelson said he used the Taser for his and the girl's safety, striking her in the base of the neck and lower right back.

The girl was released into her mother's custody and taken to a doctor.

"I couldn't breathe, and I was, like, nervous, and I was scared at the same time," the girl told CNN.

About two weeks earlier, a first-grader was shot with a Taser at school when he threatened to cut his leg with a piece of broken glass, authorities said. The boy's family said he vomited after the jolt.

"If there's three officers, it's nothing to tell a 6-year-old holding a glass, if you feel threatened, 'Hey, here's a piece of candy, hey, here's a toy. Let the glass go,'" the boy's mother told CNN.

But police insisted using the gun was the only option. -CNN


An officer has been suspended for zapping a 13-year-old girl at least twice with a stun gun while she was handcuffed in his caged patrol car.

An internal report by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office said Llahsmin Lynn Kallead was handcuffed and in the back seat of the patrol car when Officer G.A. Nelson stunned her twice.

"I felt like a bunch of static electricity, multiple static electricity shocks all over my back and legs," Kallead told Channel 4 in March.

Nelson and his partner had been called to the apartment Kallead shares with her mother Rosie Vaughan because they were fighting Feb. 7.

Vaughan wanted police to help get medical help for her daughter, who had been hospitalized for observation in the past for emotional disorders.

Nelson, a 6-foot-2 officer weighing 300 pounds, allegedly used the low-setting stun mode when the 4-foot-8 Kallead wormed the handcuffs from behind her back and would not do as directed.

"The situation was under control at this point," the internal report said.

Sgt. D.E. Smith, who was called to the scene, said, "Please don't tell me this is the person you Tased." -News 4 Jacksonville


Looks like tasering little kids is the next big thing. They're even getting into the act in England:

[UK] Police have been given the go-ahead to use Taser stun guns against children.

The relaxing of restrictions on the use of the weapons comes despite warnings that they could trigger a heart attack in youngsters.

Until now, Tasers - which emit a 50,000-volt electric shock - have been used only by specialist officers as a "non lethal" alternative to firearms.

However, they can now be used against all potentially violent offenders even if they are unarmed. -Daily Mail
   99. Esoteric Posted: February 14, 2008 at 10:57 PM (#2691490)
We've immunized our mercenary army from responsibility for crimes committed overseas.


See, it's stuff like this that makes me think that you're just 100% pure twatscar. Mercenary army? Immunized from responsibility? You know nothing of what you speak.

And I even agree with those who say that police use of tasers has gotten out of control, and that without oversight the police (as with all in a position of authority) are prone to abuse of authority. I can be a "law and order" conservative and still recognize this fact - the anecdotes Vlad has posted are horrifying, especially the one about the cop who tased a restaraunt owner as a prank, and then confiscated the security video. On the substantive issue at hand, we're in agreement.

But still, go eff yourself if you're going to wildly toss around vile, defamatory rhetoric like that, for no other reason than to gratify your need to get in an unrelated shot at men who are infinitely better than you.

Y'all are brutalizing me.
   100. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 14, 2008 at 11:03 PM (#2691497)
Settle it on the playground... with high voltage!:
Officials at Jonesboro Middle School say police tasered an 11-year-old student Wednesday as a last resort. The incident immediately prompted an internal police investigation.

Channel 2 was told the incident began after something happened at lunch to spark a verbal argument between two 6th graders. The verbal argument turned physical and a school resource officer with the Jonesboro Police Department says she had to resort to using a taser.

Channel 2 cameras were rolling when police left Jonesboro Middle School with what appeared to be a male student handcuffed in the backseat.

School officials confirm that an 11-year-old, 6th grade male was tasered by a school resource officer. They say the boy was physically assaulting a female 6th grader and refused to listen to verbal commands to stop. As a last resort the officer tasered the boy twice – once to get the students separated and a second time when the boy tried to attack the girl again.

The male student was taken to juvenile detention – the female was treated by emergency personnel and released to her parents. -WSB-TV


Here's a real example of a credible threat:
Police departments use the x26 Taser to shock unruly suspects into submission, but Lorain residents are stunned that an officer used one on a school bus to subdue to 12-year-old boy, reported NewsChannel5.

According to the police report, police were called to remove the boy from the bus after he tried to steal another boy's CD case.

Police Capt. Russ Cambarare said the boy cussed at the officers and then threatened her.

"Then he made a threat that he was going to kill her, he bucked his head backwards and hit her on the chin and broke one of his arms free," said Cambarare. -WEWS-TV


This last one's really got it all:

A veteran South Tucson police sergeant is under investigation for firing his stun gun to subdue a handcuffed 9-year-old girl.

At the request of Chief Sixto Molina, the Pima County Sheriff's Department is trying to determine if the sergeant committed a crime when he sent a jolt through the child's body.

The police officer used a Taser on the girl at about 5:30 p.m. May 8, Molina said. The nonlethal weapon uses a pulsating electrical charge to immobilize a person for several seconds.

"I'll be the first to admit, you've got a veteran sergeant Tasing a 9-year-old girl, it doesn't look good," said Molina.

The sergeant was one of at least two officers who responded to a call from the Arizona Children's Home, a school for special needs children, on South Eighth Avenue, he said.

"It had to do with a runaway from the institution," the chief said. He declined to provide further details. -KMSB-TV
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