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uh-oh--wouldn't that be "closer by committee"?
(well, a very SMALL committee)
Why is this so egregious?
Soriano for crap wasn't?
Young and A-Gonz for nada wasn't?
Gange should command more, but he is a HUGE health risk who's owed a bunch of cash.
There is no way it's Gabbard and Murphy. It's like trading toilet paper for a notebook computer with a bad LCD display.
Everybody needs toilet paper, you can't live without it, you can live without a notebook computer, but nobody in their right mind trades a laptop for for toilet paper, no matter how badly you have to take a dump.
I think Gabbard can be a reasonably effective and cheap 5th starter for a team that's rebuilding and has no delusions of 100 win seasons.
Is that all 1/3 of a season of Gagne commands these days? You'd think there should be other potential playoff teams in line ahead of the Red Sox by virtue of needing him more.
Though this does give some insight into what the Red Sox front office is thinking about some of their players. First, obviously they like Lester in that 5th starter spot better than Gabbard. Second, they think Schilling is over his injury issues. And third, they aren't confident Mike Timlin is over his injury issues.
I'm SHOCKED taht they think that 1) Mike Timlin probably blows 2) Curt is better and 3) Lester is better than Gabbard
Seriously, if I'm the Tigers and I hear that's all it takes, I get on the phone immediately.
Has that happened, where a team hears about a potential trade about to happen, outbids one of the original partners and makes the trade.
Check out Texas's rotation. He'd be their ACE. Even though he'll probably get lit up with that ballpark and defense behind him.
ESPN now reporting that the Red Sox are trying to restructure Gagne's deal, maybe switch a bonus for games pitched in place of the games finished bonus. Sounds pretty good.
From Yahoo. If the Red Sox demote Papelbon, they should be banned from baseball forever.
Olney reports that GCL bonus baby Engel Beltre is the third player in the deal. I'm still ok with it, but that's more like it.
Of course. That's why teams leak trade rumors (real and made up).
If they have to demote Papelbon to set-up, I'm against the whole thing.
seeing as how lidge is mental and someday will blow a save or give up a run
The Sox won't change Papelbon's usage here at all, and they shouldn't. I have no idea where Yahoo got that idea, but there have been absolutely no reports to that effect, and instead they're saying that the Sox are trying to change Gagne's incentives to games pitched in order for him to get paid in full without closing.
Is this a joke? Your argument in that thread was that Bowden should absolutely trade Cordero, and the Needham crew said it wouldn't be so bad to keep him. If Gabbard is the bounty for Gagne, that seems like a strong argument for keeping Cordero.
I was referring to the part of the thread discussing how much trade value a guy like Cordero has, not the overall wisdom of actually trading him. There was some opinion expressed there that a reliever like Cordero has value comparable to Mark Teixeira. I differed with that sentiment.
I just mean that after what Dave Dombrowski has done for us, I'm not going to stay mad at him for any length of time. I guess that makes me a fanboy, though I'm the most ludicrously pessimistic fanboy ever!
Olney is also reporting Ensberg was acquired by the Padres.
I wonder if there will be a clause in Gagne's contract that says Pedroia can't make fun of him for taking him deep.
Gagne should be more worried about Pedroia doing his wife. Apparently that's like the most beautiful sight in the World.
Gagne for Gabbard/Murphy/Beltre
Gagne's "Games Finished" bonuses now pay "Games" - he'll set up.
That's a nice compromise. I've never heard of Beltre, is he good? Higher ceiling than Pedroia? :)
Not anymore. :V:
so, he's a midget?
thanks, chris. hopefully for the rangers he's more like CGonzalez and less like CJ Henry.
keep him away from lastings milledge.
seems like a nice trade for the red sox.
Industrial quality sand paper
Two-ply. Also, Engel Beltre isn't one lottery ticket, it's like 600K worth of lottery tickets.
Gagne's probably going to be pitching the 8th, Okajima the 7th, perhaps with some adjustment for platoon concerns. So, yeah, he replaces Delcarmen.
I hope it doesn't get ugly because all of my feelings toward Timlin are good (the Red Sox stuff AND I'm an erstwhile Jays fan).
Mike Kay says Daniels never backed down from his demands of Hughes/Joba/Kennedy. I don't blame cash for not pulling the trigger in that situation.
where was Detroit? Surely they had next to next to nothing available.
Like you say, the Red Sox might be lucky if Timlin can pitch any innings. He's already got a sore shoulder. He doesn't seem like the type to complain too much, though, so I can't imagine things getting "ugly."
I'd like to think that our starters will be awesome and will be in the lead in every game by the time the 7th rolls around, but I'm sure that Timlin will get his innings. Making sure the back end of the pen gets innings is a nice problem to have.
Milton Bradley will collect Gagne's bonus?
so the Sox carry seven relievers going forward? can Timlin do more than Tavarez and Snyder (and now Delcarmen) can? plus, Donnelly is coming back eventually, I assume.
Nope, TJ surgery by Yocum.
Started new thread on that.
The rotation is set up perfectly - they can use the off-day yesterday to skip Gabbard, and then start Schilling on Saturday. No need to put Tavarez in the rotation, and no need to make a roster move until Satuday. They can carry 8 relievers.
Once they have to make a cut, the Sox can either DL Timlin, DL somebody else, or option Lopez to Pawtucket. They'll only need to balance eight relievers for four weeks, and I don't think there's much risk of any cuts or any problems for guys like Timlin, if he's healthy.
It's kind of an odd pickup for the Sox in particular, who don't need Gagne for the regular season -- the Yankees being 8 games back no matter how good they actually are -- and the Sox shouldn't sign Gagne to a long-term deal, since his market value will far outstrip his actual value. That leaves the handful of innings Gagne will pitch in the postseason. Big whoop.
WS rings are forever?
Pitching the 8th for Boston is like closing on other teams! Pure adrenalin!
Not that that's what they intend to do but it's a real possibility.
I strongly doubt that it is at all possible. I suspect it is impossible. Even unpossible.
That sentiment, as I understand it, is meant to validate the strategy of trading prospects for a veteran (or whatever) in order to get a team into the postseason, to play for the chance to win it all. But the Red Sox are already there, barring a complete collapse.
There's no telling which players or which situations a postseason series is going to turn on, given all the vagaries of chance in those series. Given that, it's hard to get too excited over a minor upgrade to an already strong bullpen. Again, Gagne isn't the same pitcher he was, even if he's able to stay on the field for October -- which is not a sure thing by any stretch.
Even accepting that the Sox made a decent trade, I don't see why it's anything to get excited about. Gagne is way overhyped.
It also kept Gagne away from the Yankees, who could have really used him.
Yes, but, again, I don't see a compelling reason to worry about what the Yankees are doing when they're 8 games back with 57 to play.
Anyway, the Yankees bullpen can be improved anyway, just by forcing Torre to use people like Chris Britton and Colter Bean and Edwar Ramirez, even if he's not comfortable with them. (Not to mention the potential upgrade that Chamberlain might bring.) Bean hasn't been used since a bad outing against Seattle on May 4, and Ramirez hasn't been used since a bad outing on July 20.
Because the Yankees are like a fungus. A fungus that doesn't yield to regular fungicides.
Yankee fans await the discovery of this "force" you speak of.
Uh oh. Might be some family issues there.
Add me to the people a little puzzled by other teams not coning in with a better offer, most notably Detroit and Cleveland. Those teams should be pushing hard to make a run, particularly Detroit.
But, they'll get two picks in the next draft that are higher than any pick they had in the last draft, which was a draft that they were praised for taking a lot of talent in (the question being whether they could sign it all).
This could end up pretty much being three months of Gagne for free.
What? I thought the Red Sox had to squeeze their nickels like 28 of the 29 other teams. That is what Lucchino says, anyway.
A real player would have doubled down and bet on an imminent "Colter Bean is all you need" mention.
My understanding is that every player fills in three teams, whether or not they actually don't want to be traded to them, if only because it doesn't make much sense not to make use of such a benefit. If I were Gagne, I would've put big-market teams that might be more likely to "compensate" me for waiving the clause should a trade occur. And Colorado. (Though Mike Hampton says they have good schools.)
Gagne has a contract where he could specify 12 (IIRC) teams that he could not be traded to. He apparently didn't have to name the teams when he signed, but he named them a few weeks ago. He basically picked the 12 teams that were most likely to trade for him so that if those teams wanted him they'd have to negotiate. So he left off teams like the Pirates and the Royals because he knew they'd never trade for him anyway and he put on teams like Boston and Detroit so that he could guarantee he'd be the closer or be compensated.
IIRC the boilerplate MLB contract includes no-trade provisions for up to three teams, specified at the time of signing.
I have never heard this (of course I know nothing about MLB contracts). I thought that all no-trades were negotiated.
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