I imagine that Theo's thinking in playing Dye 5 days a week would mean Ortiz'll get a lot more time off between now and (knock-knock) the playoffs.

Or that Coco Crisp is to be traded and they'll buy that Japanese guy (Kosuke Fukudome I think) or bring up Ellsbury in the offseason.

they'll buy that Japanese guy (Kosuke Fukudome I think

Fukudome plays a corner OF spot, not CF

Also, I'm not big on Fukudome ever since his .100 showing at the WBC.

The Sox told Dye that they were prepared to play him five days a week. It is unclear how they would have created the playing time, considering that they are set in all three outfield positions and the DH spot.


Yay rest for Ortiz yay. I have to assume Dye will be playing LF against all LHP and Manny DHing

Dye, who is a free agent at the end of the season

Yay draft picks

So Dye will play against all LHP with either Ortiz or Drew sitting. Still doesn't seem like he would get that much playing time. Certainly not 5 games per week.

Coco was part of a heavily-discussed trade for Andy Jones last year (IIRC, please feel free to correct me) so it sure wouldn't surprise me. But I'd hate to lose him just when the Sox are starting to get their money's worth.

I think I'm slightly more excited about the draft picks than about a half-season of Jermaine playing 5 days a week.

Come to think of it, this would afford the luxury of the Sox putting Ortiz on the DL for 15 days.

If this trade goes through, does this make Dye the best bench player in history?

Come to think of it, this would afford the luxury of the Sox putting Ortiz on the DL for 15 days.

That would make me really happy.

So Dye will play against all LHP with either Ortiz or Drew sitting.

I'd say Ortiz sits, Manny DHs, Dye in LF. At least our defnese is significantly improved

sooo does Rosenthal realize how absurd that Dodgers offer for Tex is?

Tony Jackson, dodgers beat writer for the Daily News rebuffs the Dodger's trade offer...

There is NO WAY the Dodgers proposed that deal. NO WAY.

Tony Jackson, dodgers beat writer for the Daily News rebuffs the Dodger's trade offer...

Well, that might lend credence to the theory that Robo is (unintentionally, perhaps) acting as Daniels' fluffer.

We'll see if those proposed Braves/Dodgers offers have any basis in fact soon enough, I suppose.

Wait a minute--a complicated trade involving the Red Sox falls through? Alert the presses!

The idea of getting Dye is really a weird one. He adds ridiculous depth, of course, but how does he get in 5 games a week. You've got to give one of Manny/Coco/Drew/Ortiz a day off 5 times a week, essentially a 130 pace for each.

Also, if they think they could get Dye 5 games a week, then they surely could have done the same for Wily Mo. And if they chose not to do that, then it seems pretty likely that they soured on him a while ago. (Surprised they didn't keep Wily Mo in the lineup tonight to see if he could get on a little run).

The idea of getting Dye is really a weird one. He adds ridiculous depth, of course, but how does he get in 5 games a week.

Ortiz could be hurting more than they're letting on?

That's a possibility, especially with the Red Sox history of letting hurt players play. I hope that's not it, of course.

Youk would play some third, Manny, Ortiz, Lowell, Drew and Youk would all get a little more rest. This is bad for Sox fantasy owners but probably good for the Sox.

And Dye is your 1B next year, which is nice.

...except Dye is a FA, but he could make a pretty good 1b I bet (defensively). He really has tailed off in the last year with his defense in right.

Ortiz could be hurting more than they're letting on?

They've all but admitted Ortiz's hammies are ######, and Ortiz has mentioned surgery as an option at the end of the year. I've harped on this point several times, but I was really mad that they let him/made him play through a hammy pull when they had a 13 game lead.

And Dye is your 1B next year, which is nice.

The Red Sox have zero interest in making Dye their 1B in 2008.

Youks will be their 1B, and they're hoping a certain someone will be their 3B.

Dye has played exactly one game at 1B, back in 2005.

Flynn, with due respect, I know this not to be the case. I feel like a ######### for pulling this one and not elaborating, but it's true.

Flynn, with due respect, I know this not to be the case. I feel like a ######### for pulling this one and not elaborating, but it's true.

You know what not to be the case?

They'd be stupid to let Youkilis go, and they'd be stupid not to go after A-Rod. There cannot be a first choice scenario that doesn't involve both men.

All I am saying is that part of Dye's appeal is that he could be their 1B in 2008. That is not to say that once the FA frenzy starts that they do not bypass this option for A-Rod.

Also, if they think they could get Dye 5 games a week, then they surely could have done the same for Wily Mo. And if they chose not to do that, then it seems pretty likely that they soured on him a while ago. (Surprised they didn't keep Wily Mo in the lineup tonight to see if he could get on a little run).

Well, Dye is a competent (if no longer really good) defensive OF. Wily Mo is one of the worst defensive OF in captivity. He's worse in RF than Kevin Millar was, and I have to think that affects their playing time.

That, and the fact that any team with advance scouts knows you can get Wily Mo out on breaking stuff out of the zone.

All I am saying is that part of Dye's appeal is that he could be their 1B in 2008. That is not to say that once the FA frenzy starts that they do not bypass this option for A-Rod.

I don't see how they'd pick Dye over Teixiera either. He is an option, but he wouldn't really be on my radar.

I could see him as someone who signs quickly as a below-average team blows him away, or the bronze medal in the A-Rod/Teixiera sweepstakes.

That, and the fact that any team with advance scouts knows you can get Wily Mo out on breaking stuff out of the zone.

I think any baseball fan would know this. Do pitchers even prepare for it anymore? It's a baseball axiom. You cannot hit Hoffman's changeup, Nomar will swing at the first pitch, and Pena is breaking stuff low and away.

If this trade goes through, does this make Dye the best bench player in history?

That depends. Has there ever been a bench player able to hit better than .227/.287/.444?

I have never understood why some of these general managers trade within their own division. It is the dumbest thing. It should be Rule #2 in the GM handbook, "thou shall not trade to my enemy."

Why does Texas want to make the Angels a better opponent for the next 2 years? They still have games against them this year, do they not?

Arizona and San Diego traded today. These babybacks just passed San Diego in the standings, and are a game out. And yet a day later they send the Padres a player that could potentially help the Friars pass them back up? And get this. For a 26 year old minor league reliever, and his broken wing!! WTF?

In my opinion it is stupid.

Why would Beane send Piazza to the Angels?

Just like when the Dodgers were paying Shawn Green to be a Diamondback. and they were paying him aaaa lot!!
Stupid.

Argue that it is a 'win, win' or what ever I guess.
To me it is lame.
What can you do .




oh and GM Rule #1 .. "Thall shall never give Jim Bowden your home number"

All I am saying is that part of Dye's appeal is that he could be their 1B in 2008. That is not to say that once the FA frenzy starts that they do not bypass this option for A-Rod.

I'd much rather have Brandon Moss be the starting 1B for the Red Sox in 2008

Well, Dye is a competent (if no longer really good) defensive OF.

Competent is automatically better than Manny.

The Rangers don't care about this year, and they don't care too much about next year. The nexus is looking like it's gonna be right around 2009-2010, although of course I'm sure they're not going to totally punt next season.

I don't understand the "don't trade within division" mindset. The Rangers should simply grab the best offer that's on the table (unless of course there's no decent offer; they're not in a position where they need to deal him). It doesn't matter where Teixeira's gonna play afterwards.

"The Sox told Dye that they were prepared to play him five days a week."

Everyone seems to be equating "play" with "start." Which is maybe what Rosenthal meant. But it's a lot easier to believe that Dye would simply "play" five days a week-- i.e., pinch-hit a lot, along with starting against lefties and occasionally spelling Ortiz and possibly Manny. I don't see five starts a week there, but he'd probably get into a lot of games.

I have never understood why some of these general managers trade within their own division. It is the dumbest thing. It should be Rule #2 in the GM handbook, "thou shall not trade to my enemy."

I have never understood this. If you have conviction about your deal and believe you are getting the better of it (as any GM should before entering into a trade), then who better to be on the other side of it than a division rival?

I have never understood why some of these general managers trade within their own division. It is the dumbest thing.

No, it's not. Making a crappy trade within your own division is the dumbest thing, but making a good trade within your own division is a very smart thing, one of the smartest things you can do. It's the trading equivalent of winning a game against your biggest divisional opponent.

*Jinx*

Do I have to buy you a Coke?

Hah, nice reference

I don't understand the "don't trade within division" mindset. The Rangers should simply grab the best offer that's on the table (unless of course there's no decent offer; they're not in a position where they need to deal him). It doesn't matter where Teixeira's gonna play afterwards.

This is probably left over from the Reserve Clause days - when you traded a player to someone, he stayed right there. But with free agency, players move around so much that you can't guarantee where he'll play longterm. Seattle had zero idea where Randy Johnson was eventually going to end up when they traded him in 1998, and how would Daniels look if he took an inferior deal for Tex because the team wasn't in his division and then Tex turns around and signs a FA deal with Anaheim, only to spend the rest of his career bashing Texas pitching 19 times a year.

two times you wouldn't make a trade with a team in your division: 1) win-win trades (why help your opponent if you don't have to?) and 2) risky trades (d-backs/yankees/randy). With #2, if a trade doesn't work out, it looks much worse when you have to see your mistake 19 times a year.

I think it's obvious why you don't trade in the division--you don't want to help your rival directly. In an even trade, you don't help yourself toward your goal--winning the division. Then there's the whole PR angle.