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Baseball Primer Newsblog— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand
Tuesday, August 19, 2008
New York, New York, a helluva town.
The Bronx is up, but the Battery’s down
Back in ‘55 folded The Brooklyn Eagle
New York, New York, still stuck with Kriegel!
Everytime I go home to Manhattan, it feels less home-like. I suffer the symptoms of Tourrette’s Syndrome. You can find a Whole Foods, but not a Greek diner. It’s not my city anymore. The funky people — as insufferable as some of them might have been — have been banished in favor of the fund people. The resultant metropolis is Trump-like, which is to say, more crude and predictable and more like every other city with an Olive Garden and a Banana Republic.
Not all of these fund people are Yankee fans. Some of them are Knicks fans, too. The mythical aficionados of the city game have long since been replaced by sheep with BlackBerries. OK, maybe they deserve to be gouged. Then there are the Mets fans. The Mets are asking (and getting) only $495 for their best seat when Citi Field opens next year. After last year’s historic collapse, they are celebrated for a 79 percent increase.
Repoz
Posted: August 19, 2008 at 04:13 PM | 382 comment(s)
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Haven't been to Sparks in about 1.5 yrs, but I'm guessing $35-40 just for the steak. No sides.
Steak prices are pretty uniform. USDA Prime is scarce, and expensive, and doesn't really require skilled labor to cook. Any good steakhouse with real aged prime steak is going to be in that neighborhood.
No you can't. USDA Prime is different that the steak you but at the supermarket. They also age it for something like 6 weeks, which gets out all the excess water, so a 12 oz. steak is actually 12 oz. of meat.
Yes. But remember, not all fancy restaurants are serving aged USDA prime.
A lot are serving regular USDA choice that you can buy at the market for $10-15/lb, not aging it, and charging you $35. That's a rip-off. Real Prime will retail for $25/lb and up. So, after aging (which lowers the weight a lot), paying $40-45 in a restaurant for it isn't bad.
Order Filet or some other less marbled cut of meat next time. Not that I can endorse Mortons. However, the less marbled the cut is, the less effect the dry aging would have.
Not a big fan of the chains either. I think Morton's is eh. I HATE Ruth Chris. That damn hot plate turns my medium rare steak to medium well before I'm finished.
This. Unless a restaurant makes a point of telling you the meat is USDA Prime, it isn't. Even if it is, it's probably not aged, or at least not up to steakhouse standards. To my taste buds, there is a WORLD of difference between USDA Prime, steakhouse aged, and, well, anything else.
And yeah, I'm 99% sure Luger only serves porterhouse. If you order it any way but rare or medium rare, there's a good chance you'll be mocked to your face. All part of the charm.
Just one of the myriad ways SF is superior to Boston.
Make that 100%. The menu says only "Steak for Two," "Steak for Four," etc. It's all porterhouse.
A good Financial District (well, near the Seaport) steakhouse that's yet to be mentioned is Mark Joseph. Excellent porterhouse.
A steak at Sparks or Palms or Ben and Jacks or BLt's os Lugar's almost all run about 44, plus sides.
My cut is sirloin which is why I prefer Sparks with homefries and creame of spinich.
I have never had a steak at any chain as good as teh worst steak I've had at one of those places. It's amazingly different. In fact I was never a huge fan of steak until moving to new york, and trying the non-chains. My opinion was similar to yours re: Morton's or Ruth Cris etc.
Nope, we have those in Boston. They're not common, of course, but I'm guessing the same thing is true about San Francisco
In San Francisco.
That means those people have to ####### move. Just like I can't live in ####### idaho if I wanted, because I don't have the skills for one. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with Idaho, it means something is wrong with my skills.
As always, I appreciate the use of direct language, without any sanitizing euphemisms or beating around the bush. It beats compassionate conservatism any day of the week.
And I think it was Anatole Rockefeller (or someone like that) who said that the law of supply and demand, in all its noble majesty, prevents the rich from feeling unwelcome in Idaho just as much as it prevents former Harlemites from being able to keep living in New York. It's truly an equal opportunity tradeoff. One more heavenly miracle brought to us by our Saviour, The Invisible Hand.
:)
(I'm planning on grad school in physics and I'd love to stay in NYC, but I doubt that I will be able to afford to. Yes, NYC is expensive.)
(And to keep this on topic, I've never been to a steakhouse in the city, being a poor college student.)
Well, I'd say, on average, life has been better since October 2004. You might say it's been downhill since October 2000 (or is "downhill" the good one? I can never remember).
I literally used to think that any year the Yanks won the Series was a good year, and any year that they didn't was a bad one. Admittedly a sentiment that was tough to reconcile with 1932, 1943 or 1989.
You're off by a month.
Not being to live where you want isn't a hardship, as you've implied through the entirety of this thread nor does it deserve anyone compassion. It's an inconvenience, a moderatly sized inconvenience but no worse than urban sprawl in most typical large cities.
Well,
1932 - Great depression
1943 - WWII
1989 - Bush I takes office
Still remember when Big Pauly got gunned down in front of Sparks in '85.
Let me guess: Simpson Thacher? Haven't thought about Christ Cella in many years. Used to be my favorite in that neighborhood. Did you drink at Costello's too?
:)
besides, that would mean a whole lot of bad/good mixups. yanks won in 36, 37, 38, and 39 -- all during the depression. they also won in 56 (invasion of hungary).
they won in 2000 (election of bush II). how can that be a good year? nevermind, i don't want to have that argument.
1932 - Great depression
1943 - WWII
1989 - Bush I takes office
I think '89 he was probably saying bad year (Yankees lose) but good year (fall of Communism)
Bingo.
well, if you guys are going to bring the real world into this, then you're no fun.
:)
besides, that would mean a whole lot of bad/good mixups. yanks won in 36, 37, 38, and 39 -- all during the depression. they also won in 56 (invasion of hungary).
they won in 2000 (election of bush II). how can that be a good year? nevermind, i don't want to have that argument.
From the perspective of a hard core twelve year old Yankee fan, all that other stuff was just stuff. The fate of Johnny Kucks was a lot more important than the fate of Hungary.
But '36 was still a good year---except in Maine and Vermont.
when i was 12, the cards won the series with bob gibson, lou brock, curt flood, mike shannon, dal maxvill, julian javier, roger maris and orlando cepeda. the world never looked more beautiful for me than in 1967.
the next year they lost with the same lineup after going up 3-1. that was one of life's most painful lessons for me.
with the exception of a little uptick in the 80s and '06, its been all downhill ever since.
Is there an area restaurent anyone would recommend. We'll be near Grand Central and I don't mind walking (in fact that's still one of the great things about NYC).
I live reasonably close to Grand Central. If you're looking for an excellent (and reasonably priced) Italian place, check out Fagiolini at 39th and Lex.
There's a Turkish place called Ali Baba on 34th between 2nd and 3rd that has great food, but the service is typically slow.
There's a new Mediterranean/Turkish place on Madison and 41st called Pera which is also quite good, though not cheap.
I can recommend a few other places if you're willing to walk down to the 20s or teens.
Kelley Drye.
Did you drink at Costello's too?
Did most of my boozing at various neighborhood working class rish bars. I liked to drink with people who came to drink, and no other agenda.
Very good.
How about a lounge thread?
Downhill has its benefits, downscale as well.
Not being able to stay where you've always lived has been the American way since the first arrival of Europeans to the continent. It's what makes America America, god bless it.
Eventually, we'll all take up residence in a relatively small and dark place, no matter what our income. No exceptions.
you'll need to make reservations for the palm. luger's is harder to get ressies for, and the service will be much better at any of the manhattan steakhouses. luger's used to be MUCH better than the others; no longer true.
ok...if you want (expensive) sushi, but one of the best places in new york, sushi yasuda is like 1 block away from gcs. i eat sushi, but do NOT properly appreciate the high end stuff....i've just been told that from lots o' people.
some places of note a few blocks from gcs.
bagels: daniel's on 37th/3rd; there's also one in times square which is quite good, but whose name escapes me.
chinese: szechuan gourmet, on 39th. top notch, if you get spoiled by real chinese (like these in nyc) you'll never want chinese from your local place again.
a little further walk: pamplona (spanish, 28th/5th)...little brazil is on 46th between 6th and 7th. if you're going at random, head south rather than north; the cost will drop significantly. most of the places i like for nicer, but not jacket/tie dinner, are further south (ie. subway ride).
if you want a tasty and clean (!) lunch from a street vendor, go to the ones on 49th/6th and 50th/6th. nice variety of food from a streetcart..
I love Sichuanese food. Is this authentic? How well do they make dan-dan noodles? How about their fish-flavored pork slices?
To the article's point, the cost of seeing a game in NYC will be up sharply next year. Generally, the cost of a ticket does not keep me away from games now (cheap upper deck seats at Shea are great), but next year those seats will be gone. It's too bad NYC will never get a third major league team...
btw, the best place i know of isn't in nyc, but in fair lawn, nj. people used to travel 30-45 minutes each way to get bagels on the weekend. (saddle river rd.). one former mainstream writer lives just a few blocks away, though i would guess that is a pure coincidence.
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