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A catch-all thread for last minute trade news. Please post any rumors that haven’t already hit the MSM.

UPDATE:

Updated 4:28 p.m.: Manny traded to Dodgers

Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner’s office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.

Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Brandon Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.

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1. DKDC Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:24 PM (#2884403)

The Orioles have come to terms with their 5th round pick Greg Miclat, and they are reportedly close to an agreement with Vero Beach as their new spring training home.

VERY busy day at the warehouse.

2. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:27 PM (#2884410)

Can someone clarify --

Is it any player traded after 7/31 that needs to clear waivers, or, just players on the 40 man roster?

In other words - let's say Manny slides through waivers... in a potential deal for say... a couple A ballers not yet on the 40 man, do they also have to clear waivers? Is there anything that would prevent such a deal from happening and the teams involved settling on the terms of the deal but reporting it as PTBNL?

3. Big Train Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:28 PM (#2884419)

Less than 2 hours away, we are through the looking glass here people.

4. AROM Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:29 PM (#2884423)

In other words - let's say Manny slides through waivers... in a potential deal for say... a couple A ballers not yet on the 40 man, do they also have to clear waivers? Is there anything that would prevent such a deal from happening and the teams involved settling on the terms of the deal but reporting it as PTBNL?

I don't think players not on the 40 go through the waiver process, and using PTBNL is a common strategy in this situation to deal players who are on the 40. Though I doubt the Red Sox would trade Manny without getting back somebody to help them this season.

5. Danny Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:30 PM (#2884427)

I doubt Manny would clear waivers.

6. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:31 PM (#2884430)

I like how Robo defines the Blue Jays as on the "fringe" on contention. That's like saying Haiti is on the "fringe" of the first world.

7. villageidiom Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:32 PM (#2884433)

Is it any player traded after 7/31 that needs to clear waivers, or, just players on the 40 man roster?

I believe the latter. I think it also applies to players on the 60-day DL, though I can't imagine why anyone would want to trade for - or claim - someone on the 60-day DL.

8. Meatwad is on team keefe Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:32 PM (#2884435)

Yanks, Red Sox eyeing Eyre

Thursday, July 31, 2008 | Print Entry

Posted by Jayson Stark

That never-ending Yankees-Red Sox intrigue has found its way to Scott Eyre. Both clubs are in on the Cubs left-hander, who is expected to be moved for a very modest return. But both teams also have him as a back burner option as they search for more impactful bullpen help.

9. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken (Dewey is a slacker) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:32 PM (#2884437)

The Lounge's GGC is reporting that David Nieporent will be named as Bob Barr's running mate on the Libertarian ticket. Quoting Mr. Counter: "He didn’t say they have to be baseball rumors."

10. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:33 PM (#2884441)

WSCR says the White Sox are close to getting John Lannan, according to RotoWorld.

11. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken (Dewey is a slacker) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:33 PM (#2884443)

I doubt Manny would clear waivers.

He doesn't have to clear waivers, he just needs to not be claimed by anyone with a higher waiver priority than the team Boston wants to trade him to.

12. Sam M. Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:33 PM (#2884444)

From Heyman:

The Mets are talking to the Nationals about a deal for reliever Luis Ayala, SI.com has learned. Mets GM Omar Minaya badly wants a reliever and wouldn't mind making a deal. This could be it.

I guess he'd be an upgrade on Carlos Muniz. Who wouldn't be? But he sure hasn't pitched effectively this year.

13. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken (Dewey is a slacker) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:35 PM (#2884450)

WSCR says the White Sox are close to getting John Lannan, according to RotoWorld.

WHAT THE ####?

14. villageidiom Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:35 PM (#2884451)

WSCR says the White Sox are close to getting John Lannan

Instant karma's gonna get them.

15. SugarBear Blanks

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#2884454)

I like how Robo defines the Blue Jays as on the "fringe" on contention. That's like saying Haiti is on the "fringe" of the first world.

A couple years ago, I was stuck in the next seat to Robo on Acela from DC to NY and it became clear after their hour-long conversation -- filled with Robo chuckling and swooning -- that J.P. was Robo's not-curly-but-wavyHB.

16. Chris Needham Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#2884455)

My head hurts

17. Sam M. Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#2884456)

Instant karma's gonna get them.

Imagine that.

18. villageidiom Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:37 PM (#2884458)

He doesn't have to clear waivers, he just needs to not be claimed by anyone with a higher waiver priority than the team Boston wants to trade him to.

Yes, but as of 7/31 it becomes everyone behind Boston in the standings in the AL, then the NL teams. Note that Boston has been trying to trade him to the NL.

19. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:38 PM (#2884461)

I'm not sure what's been wrong with Ayala this year. I've seen him pitch a lot, and he has electric stuff.

20. Still Waiting on Pork Chops (John R.) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#2884462)

The Lounge's GGC is reporting that David Nieporent will be named as Bob Barr's running mate on the Libertarian ticket. Quoting Mr. Counter: "He didn’t say they have to be baseball rumors."

That ship has sailed, yarrL. His name is Wayne Root. I have no doubt that Nieporent would be a better running mate, but...where was he Memorial Day weekend?

Random note: Barr seems like a decent enough guy. Had dinner with him last week at a fundraiser here in the Metromess.

21. MSI Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#2884463)

The Pirates are going to regret not taking Hermida plus more for 1.3 years of Bay. His value is at its highest and they are getting too greedy. In fact, if they don't move him at all today, it will be a loss cause there are some nice names being thrown around.

Best fit might be to the Rays for a prospect like Brignac or Niemann+

22. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#2884464)

Imagine that.

neknhaM yrraL's just a jealous guy.

23. Gamingboy Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:40 PM (#2884466)

I have that stupid music from movie trailers stuck in my head for some reason and I can't get it out! AHHHHH!

Okay, seriously though, this has been a disappointing deadline so far. I mean, yeah, there was Griffey, with Teixeira and Pudge earlier, but it just seems like it's missing some bang.

24. SugarBear Blanks

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:40 PM (#2884467)

Isn't Wayne Root the TV gambling guy?

25. Esoteric Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:41 PM (#2884472)

If Bowden trades John Lannan and doesn't get a great haul for him then that's it, he should be fired on the spot. And I'm Bowden's biggest defender on BTF. Lannan's the most promising young starter the Nats have. Anyone who can put up a 126 ERA+ as a 23 year old rookie while pitching behind the worst offense and defense in the majors (or thereabouts) is somebody you hold onto.

26. TerpNats Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:41 PM (#2884474)

Supposedly the Chisox are interested in Hanrahan, not Lannan. Trading Lannan would probably seal Bowden's doom among Nats fans.

27. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:41 PM (#2884475)

It's not John Lannan that the Sox are looking at -- it's Joel Hanrahan. I'm thinking that either Jesse Rogers - the host who is being quoted by both ESPN and Rotoworld - or his source screwed up the two names. Hanrahan seems to make more sense as a bullpen addition. I can't see the Nationals wanting to trade Lannan and, if they wanted to, I doubt the Sox would have enough to land him (Fields is the only intriguing name the Sox have, and the Nats are pretty set in the outfield and at third-base).

28. RJ not in TO

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:43 PM (#2884484)

The Pirates are going to regret not taking Hermida plus more for 1.3 years of Bay. His value is at its highest and they are getting too greedy. In fact, if they don't move him at all today, it will be a loss cause there are some nice names being thrown around.

All the reports say it was Florida that killed the deal not Pittsburgh.

29. villageidiom Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#2884493)

It's not John Lannan that the Sox are looking at -- it's Joel Hanrahan. I'm thinking that either Jesse Rogers - the host who is being quoted by both ESPN and Rotoworld - or his source screwed up the two names.

Christ, you know it ain't easy.

30. DKDC Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#2884494)

Hopefully there are some interesting deals that are being kept under wraps until the last minute.

It's been a pretty boring day, so far.

31. MSI Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#2884496)

See that makes more sense. Florida seemed to be getting the worst end, giving up Hermida for 2 months of Manny.

32. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:46 PM (#2884499)

All the reports say it was Florida that killed the deal not Pittsburgh.

These reports report that Florida wanted money above and beyond what would pay for Manny's salary. IOW, they were shaking the Sawx down. If it's true, it's awesome in its shamelessness.

33. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:46 PM (#2884502)

All the reports say it was Florida that killed the deal not Pittsburgh.

FLA refused to include additional prospects to go to PIT after PIT demanded more for Bay, according to Rosenthal.

34. villageidiom Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:47 PM (#2884504)

Florida seemed to be getting the worst end, giving up Hermida for 2 months of Manny.

Two free months of Manny, plus prospects, plus potential for 2 draft picks when he leaves.

35. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:47 PM (#2884505)

I heard Bengie Molina for Mike Jacobs

And Boof Bonser for Rich Aurilia.

If true, Sabean is an idiot for not making those moves.

36. Still Waiting on Pork Chops (John R.) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:47 PM (#2884506)

Isn't Wayne Root the TV gambling guy?

From Wikipedia:

Wayne Allyn Root (born July 20, 1961 in Mount Vernon, New York) is the 2008 United States Libertarian Party vice-presidential nominee. He is a business mogul, television celebrity, TV producer, best-selling author, and professional sports handicapper, based in Las Vegas, Nevada.

One and the same, it appears. I'm out of the loop when it comes to TV...

37. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:48 PM (#2884509)

Best fit might be to the Rays for a prospect like Brignac or Niemann+

The Bucs are apparently holding out for Davis (and Brignac), which I suppose is pretty reasonable to do.

Bay has recovered nicely from last year's down season -- and the Pirates are being perfectly reasonable to want an uber-haul in return. He IS an all-star caliber corner OF with a very reasonable price tag for the rest of this season and next season.

38. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:49 PM (#2884513)

If it's true, it's awesome in its shamelessness.

Its Loria/Samson. This is routine for them. I am surprised they didn't ask John Henry to throw in $ to finance their new stadium.

39. Big Train Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2884518)

a watched Rosenthal never blogs.

40. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2884519)

See that makes more sense. Florida seemed to be getting the worst end, giving up Hermida for 2 months of Manny.

Beats the inevitable 2 months of Hermida any employer of his gets during his annual DL vacation time.

Jeff Loria, par for the course, got greedy.

41. Gamingboy Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2884520)

(juggles)

42. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2884521)

If true, Sabean is an idiot for not making those moves.

You know, I just remembered that the Giants should be really active today and nada. Molina, Winn, Aurilia and possibly Vizquel should all be out of town. What's going on?

43. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2884527)

You know, I just remembered that the Giants should be really active today and nada. Molina, Winn, Aurilia and possibly Vizquel should all be out of town. What's going on?

There are now TWO teams over .500 in the NL West... someone ought to inform Sabean of that fact. Someone also might want to inform Ed Wade that the Astros are also now out of contention in the NL West.

44. Meatwad is on team keefe Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2884528)

no one wants them thats why

45. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken (Dewey is a slacker) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:53 PM (#2884529)

Two free months of Manny, plus prospects, plus potential for 2 draft picks when he leaves.

Not only that, but it's also a clear message to the fans that "we're going for it". That would boost attendance down there, give some momentum to a stadium push, and if they make the playoffs there's big money in that, too.

Sadly, I bet the Marlins wouldn't even offer arbitration after the season, because even though there is 0% chance that Manny would accept it, that's still too high a percentage for them.

46. Joe Mauer Power Hour Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:54 PM (#2884531)

Someone also might want to inform Ed Wade that the Astros are also now out of contention in the NL West.

I, for one, never thought the Astros had a shot in the NL West.

47. Justin T contains indigenous nudity Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:54 PM (#2884532)

WTF? Wayne Root as veep candidate is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. C'mon Libertarians, bear down! ####!

48. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:54 PM (#2884536)

Sadly, I bet the Marlins wouldn't even offer arbitration after the season, because even though there is 0% chance that Manny would accept it,

What, you think phone calls and fax paper is free? Jeff Loria is trying to run a business here!

49. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:55 PM (#2884537)

I, for one, never thought the Astros had a shot in the NL West.

Mike Scott scuffs the ball, dammit! He's scuffing the damn ball as we speak!

50. SABRJoe Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:55 PM (#2884538)

So Hermida won't be the <s>fish</s> Marlin that saved Pittsburgh?

51. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:55 PM (#2884539)

Didn't Wayne Root play "Milton" in "Office Space"?

52. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:56 PM (#2884541)

I, for one, never thought the Astros had a shot in the NL West.

I'm pretty sure Ed Wade did... and yes, I'm well aware the 'Stros play in the Central... I just don't think Wade is.

53. Repoz

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:56 PM (#2884542)

and Brignac

WFAN's Count Benigno just said..."the Rays really like that Brownyak kid!"

Media cap. of the world...and dalmations use my #### as a rubber toy.

54. Jim Wisinski

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:56 PM (#2884543)

The Bucs are apparently holding out for Davis (and Brignac), which I suppose is pretty reasonable to do.

Reasonable until about 3:50. What are the chances that they'll get something better than Brignac+Niemann in the offseason?

55. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:58 PM (#2884547)

I don't think anyone would trade a bag of peanuts for Vizquel at this point, but yeah, Sabean should be doing everything he can to blow up the team for any young guys he could possibly get.

56. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 05:58 PM (#2884549)

Reasonable until about 3:50. What are the chances that they'll get something better than Brignac+Niemann in the offseason?

Ehh... Why do they need to?

They can certainly afford to pay Bay next year. I don't expect the Pirates to necessarily contend, but I just cannot see their pitching being that awful again.

If they're again out of it by July, they can try again.

57. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:00 PM (#2884553)

I don't think anyone would trade a bag of peanuts for Vizquel at this point, but yeah, Sabean should be doing everything he can to blow up the team for any young guys he could possibly get.

True, but a bag of peanuts won't block Manny Burriss.

58. Sam M. Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:00 PM (#2884556)

Sabean should be doing everything he can to blow up the team for any young guys he could possibly get.

Joey B. just used "Sabean" and "young guys" in the same sentence, without also inserting the words "avoids" and "plague."

He made a funny.

59. Bill McNeal Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:00 PM (#2884558)

Dodgers after Manny?

60. Jim Wisinski

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:01 PM (#2884560)

Ehh... Why do they need to?

They can certainly afford to pay Bay next year. I don't expect the Pirates to necessarily contend, but I just cannot see their pitching being that awful again.

If they're again out of it by July, they can try again.

Sure. They'll just get even less then.

61. Gamingboy Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:02 PM (#2884566)

(fiddles)

This is one of the most anti-climatic deadlines ever.

62. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:02 PM (#2884567)

According to people familiar with the talks, the Dodgers have offered young outfielder Andre Ethier, but Boston is believed to prefer the ultra-talented Matt Kemp.

From Heyman.

Heh heh. Good old McCourt.

63. Sam M. Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:02 PM (#2884568)

Dodgers after Manny?

This is what is known in the biz as Theo planting a rumor in order to get the Marlins and/or the Pirates to come to their senses and get serious.

64. AJM Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:03 PM (#2884569)

Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Mets have "kicked around" the idea of acquiring Ian Snell and "employing him as a reliever for the remainder of the year."

Oliver Perez Redux?

65. DKDC Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:04 PM (#2884574)

I think 90% of these rumors are just front offices trying to manipulate the media for whatever purpose.

And there's no accountability for being wrong, so the writers gobble it up (as do the fans).

66. Joe Mauer Power Hour Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:04 PM (#2884575)

Sure. They'll just get even less then.

Yeah, now is the time to deal him. Another year of Bay is of absolutely no value to Pittsburgh, since they don't figure to contend next season. If they don't like the offers now, they'll be especially disappointed later on, unless Bay turns into Albert Pujols.

67. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:04 PM (#2884578)

You know, I just remembered that the Giants should be really active today and nada. Molina, Winn, Aurilia and possibly Vizquel should all be out of town. What's going on?

I don't know why anyone would want Vizquel right now. He looks done.

The Giants aren't interested in trading Molina (who has a no-trade according to Cots, BTW), as Sandoval and Posey (still unsigned) won't be ready until after 2009. The idea of Eliezer Alfonzo or Steve Holm playing full-time is pretty unappealing, even for a 100 loss team.

I suspect that the Giants are unwilling to kick in any money to cover Winn's contract ($8.25M for 2009).

Aurilia should be traded, but the Giants are probably overpricing him.

68. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2884589)

Reasonable until about 3:50. What are the chances that they'll get something better than Brignac+Niemann in the offseason?

I would think pretty good. Brignac has been good one out of four full years while Niemann is a good, not great pitching prospect that had some pretty bad injury problems, IIRC.

69. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2884592)

This is what is known in the biz as Theo planting a rumor in order to get the Marlins and/or the Pirates to come to their senses and get serious.

Yeah, that'll work. More likely, as Keri wrote, Theo was just trying to c-ckblock the Rays from acquiring Bay

70. Still Waiting on Pork Chops (John R.) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:06 PM (#2884595)

Didn't Wayne Root play "Milton" in "Office Space"?

Wrong Root.

God, root...what is difference?</Pitr>

71. Justin T contains indigenous nudity Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:07 PM (#2884602)

SF fans have been living in a fantasy world for a few months in which the Red Sox badly want Vizquel as a defensive sub and will come a courting on this day.

72. Joe Mauer Power Hour Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:09 PM (#2884606)

From Rotoworld:

According to the Boston Herald, the Red Sox feel they can't trade Brandon Moss for Ron Mahay because they need him as Manny Ramirez insurance.

The Royals are reportedly willing to make the deal straight up, but Moss might be Boston's best option in left field if Manny bails on the club.

73. Dan Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:11 PM (#2884614)

With the three-way deal between the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins falling through, an MLB.com source says that the Rays are going to acquire right-handed hitting outfielder Jason Bay for Minor League prospects including shortstop Reid Brignac and right-hander Jeff Niemann. The Rays have not confirmed the deal.

--Bill Chastain

Source

74. Gamingboy Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:12 PM (#2884616)

Charley Root?

75. AJM Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:13 PM (#2884619)

Jason Stark says Bay to Tampa is still alive.

He also says Ibanez to Toronto could happen. Toronto? Really?

76. MSI Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:13 PM (#2884621)

Aha, I knew the Pirates should have taken Brignac and Niemann for Bay. Great deal.

Pirates get great value and the Rays are for real now - they needed some more offense.

77. DKDC Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:14 PM (#2884626)

Nice move by the Rays.

78. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:15 PM (#2884628)

The Giants aren't interested in trading Molina (who has a no-trade according to Cots, BTW), as Sandoval and Posey (still unsigned) won't be ready until after 2009. The idea of Eliezer Alfonzo or Steve Holm playing full-time is pretty unappealing, even for a 100 loss team.

How hard is to find a stopgap at catcher though? Miguel Olivo is available this winter.

79. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:16 PM (#2884632)

Niemann?? Pirates fans won't be happy. For goodness' sake, this guy is from that overhyped batch of Rice pitchers!

80. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:18 PM (#2884639)

I'm with Kyle.

I think the Pirates are making a mistake if all get back for Bay is Brignac and Niemann. With all the issues around Manny -- Bay is the premier bat left on the market that can be had by any team, regardless of budget. In fact - if you add his quite reasonable contract next season, I think he's got more value than Teixeira (OK... maybe that's pushing it a bit).

Were I in Pittsburg's front office, I'd be holding out for more.

Either replace Niemann with Davis, or, I'd be asking for another prospect of the same level (i.e., adding a 3rd player). The Rays' system is loaded - so I think they should be more than happy to oblige.

81. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:18 PM (#2884643)

The link in #73 is the same site that had Bay going to Atlanta for Jones, Lillibridge, and two low-minors pitchers a week ago. As such, I remain skeptical.

82. JJ1986 Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:20 PM (#2884651)

I like Niemann. He has both the stuff, to my eyes, and minor league numbers to succeed in the majors. I think it's likely to be as a closer and not a #3/#4 starter, but I think he'll have a good career.

83. Jim Wisinski

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:20 PM (#2884656)

Chastain is more reliable than the national writers since he's actually an MLB.com employee. Doesn't mean it's official but he's more likely to have real info before reporting it.

84. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:21 PM (#2884657)

He also says Ibanez to Toronto could happen. Toronto? Really?

Are Toronto and Houston related?

85. TOLAXOR Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:21 PM (#2884658)

<CLEESE>
ARTHUR NEGIS HAS HELD BRISTOL, THAT'S NOT A RESULT, THAT'S JUST A BIT OF GOSSIP...

</CLEESE>

86. rfloh Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:23 PM (#2884667)

How hard is to find a stopgap at catcher though? Miguel Olivo is available this winter.

How hard is it to find a stopgap at 1b though? Mike Jacobs is below average offensively at 1b. He plays awful D, like the converted catcher that he is. Unless he can go back to catching, he's nothing more than a cheap stopgap.

87. Russ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:23 PM (#2884669)

Niemann and Brainiac plus a low-level live arm would probably be enough for me. It's certainly better than what the rumors were from Mannymania VI.

88. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:24 PM (#2884671)

The Rays' system is loaded - so I think they should be more than happy to oblige.

That's a stupid statement

89. Chase Utley, Shooty's Favorite Robot (Joey Belle) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:24 PM (#2884672)

I like Niemann. He has both the stuff, to my eyes, and minor league numbers to succeed in the majors. I think it's likely to be as a closer and not a #3/#4 starter, but I think he'll have a good career

In Pittsburgh that translates to a torn labrum and an ERA over 6.

90. Russ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:26 PM (#2884675)

In Pittsburgh that translates to a torn labrum and an ERA over 6.

Is there anything in Pittsburgh that DOESN'T translate into a torn labrum and an ERA over 6?

91. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:26 PM (#2884678)

"It's certainly better than what the rumors were from Mannymania VI."

Are you on drugs?

92. Jim Wisinski

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:28 PM (#2884683)

It's inaccurate to say that Brignac only has one good season. His age 19 season was quite good when you adjust for all the context: Age, Midwest League, first full season, shortstop. It wasn't difficult to predict his excellent season the next year from that if you understand the numbers correctly. Not sure why he has struggled since then but he still shows a lot of potential and remains very toolsy. He's still a top prospect.

93. Gamingboy Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:30 PM (#2884687)

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Oh, the deadline is only 30 minutes away?
Huh.

94. Still Waiting on Pork Chops (John R.) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#2884689)

Is there anything in Pittsburgh that DOESN'T translate into a torn labrum and an ERA over 6?

Sounds like the Rangers' Nolan Ryan Minor League Pitcher of the Year award...*shudder*

95. AJM Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#2884690)

Steve Phillips thinks teams should trade for relievers instead of starters. A relief pitcher will impact 30 games while a starter will only impact 10.

96. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#2884691)

The Rays' system is loaded - so I think they should be more than happy to oblige.

That's a stupid statement

What's stupid about it?

The Rays have a loaded system, they could really, really, really use a good bat who can play RF -- preferably one that hits from the right-handed side.

Bay is an absolutely perfect fit for a team that already has plenty of young and cheap talent performing at the major league level -- he's also under contract for 9 million next year, so it's not a rental for a team that ought be just as good, if not better, next season.

The entire Rays rotation is 25 or younger (OK - Shields is 26). You can never have too much pitching? Fine -- but when your most glaring need is a premium RH bat to play RF -- and there just happens to be one on the market, and an economical one at that...

Well...

What's so stupid about the Pirates insisting on the Rays' second most valuable arm?

Kudos to the Rays if they got it done without parting with Davis, but if I were the Pirates -- I would have insisted on it.

97. flournoy Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#2884693)

I don't understand why Ohman and Kotsay are still Braves. Well, Kotsay, maybe, if nobody wants him.

98. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#2884694)

God bless Steve Phillips. Without him as a constant lodestar, how would we ever know the precise locations of WRONG and FAIL?

99. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:33 PM (#2884697)

Ken Griffey to the ChiSox.

Why are the Reds hanging on to Dunn?

100. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: July 31, 2008 at 06:33 PM (#2884699)

It's stupid to say that, just because the Rays have a loaded system, they should give more for Bay than the absolute bare minimum needed to acquire him. If they can get him for Niemann and Brignac, why should they include Davis or Price or anyone else? Just because they have them?

And I'm sure the Pirates insisted on more. I've insisted on dating both the Olsen twins for a couple of years.

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