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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Saturday, September 06, 2008FOX Sports: Perry: In Big Apple, Reyes has passed Jeter byFrom the handstakingly hilaripus comments section..."I can’t believe someone pays you to trash him!!!! Again, your a knob!!”
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Posted: September 06, 2008 at 03:57 PM | 14 comment(s)
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The comments section was the best part, the fact that there were actually fans trashing him for "dissing" Jeter were quite touching in that "Special Olympics" kind of way.
2006?
And I'm fairly sure that Jeter's .309 batting average in the post-season isn't even close to being the best.
EDIT:
Also, this comment is just too ripe for a "your momma" joke:
Jeter's a great player and is still a top-10 shortstop in baseball this season despite his off-season with the bat because of his improved defense.
Since he's talking about numbers, can anyone provide a defensive stat that shows Reyes as being better in the field this year? I know RZR and ZR favor Jeter. What's the Fielding Bible say?
Oh, and Reyes is outhitting Jeter by a fair margin, it's not neccesary to skimp on the numbers to show Reyes is better, he clearly is, but if you're going to mention defensive stats, you ought to point out that this year, they favor Jeter.
No it wouldn't... Jeter in the late nineties was way better than Reyes today. Get back to me if Reyes ever puts up a 153 OPS+.
RZR not really. Jeter has a small lead in raw RZR .842 to .834. But Reyes has a healthy lead in OOZ plays 33 in 1234 innings to 24 in 1137 innings. There's not much in it obviously, but if anything I would say it's a slight edge to Reyes.
Jeter had an astonishing (for him) start to the season defensively. But he's pretty much been regressing to his old self for a while now. I'd expect that trend to continue till the end of the season, and for Reyes to be pretty much clear by the time October rolls in.
One more thing I want to mention. Reyes has had a lot more chances than Jeter 361 to 298. Which is pretty disproportional to their number of innings. I had a quick glance through the list of SS's, and everyone with similar # of innings to Jeter is well over 300 chances, except for Ryan Theriot. This could obviously just be randon fluctuation, but it could also indicate some form of scoring bias...
Only if you make assumptions about out of zone chance distributions being normal.
Jeter had an astonishing (for him) start to the season defensively. But he's pretty much been regressing to his old self for a while now.
Maybe RZR says that, but I have Jeter's zone rating peaking at .842 this season on August 2, which is pretty far from the start of the season in my opinion.
But he's pretty much been regressing to his old self for a while now.
I'd agree with this. Since August 3rd his zone rating is .759.
This could obviously just be randon fluctuation, but it could also indicate some form of scoring bias...
Or more likely, it's just non-normal distribution of balls in play. Here's the distribution of ZR chances for MLB and the two NYs.
Pos MLB NYM NYY1B 9.4% 10.2% 9.7%
2B 17.6% 16.4% 19.4%
3B 14.8% 14.0% 15.2%
CF 15.7% 16.1% 14.7%
LF 11.9% 12.0% 12.3%
RF 12.5% 13.0% 12.9%
SS 18.1% 18.3% 15.9%
Looks like the Yankees are seeing more chances at 2B and 3B, and fewer at short. I don't see how scoring bias plays into it.
And no, I don't think Jeter is a better defensive player than Reyes.
I would agree right now, if we were going to have that debate it is on what I think Reyes will be over the next few years based on his growth path of his career. The end of September last year and the first 6-8 weeks of this year have hurt him considerably in this area, but if he continues the way he has been this year he will be putting up those kind of numbers as well.
Thanks to SG for the numbers by the way. It does certainly look more like random fluctuation given that data. It was something that struck me when first looking at the numbers, and I thought it would be irresponsible not to point out the possibility.
I decided to finally make an account to point this out.
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