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Sunday, April 06, 2008

Graziano: Slow Detroit Tigers could be just a bunch of ‘homers’

“Almost lost Detroit, that time.
Damn near totally destroyed, one time
Almost lost Detroit”

Only a week ago, these Tigers were thought by some to be a team that could score 1,000 runs in 2008.

Now, 1,000 runs is a preposterous prediction that has been hysterically (and incorrectly) made about Yankees teams in recent years. Only two teams have scored that many runs in a season since 1936, only one since 1950. So after scoring 10 in their first four games (putting them on pace for 405), the Tigers aren’t exactly on a fast-track to that kind of offensive immortality.

Even if they were, their pitching is paper-thin after Cy Young candidate Justin Verlander and could doom them to an October of watching playoff games on TV. But watching the Tigers struggle to score against the likes of Brian Bannister and Zack Greinke called to mind a late-spring conversation I had with a scout who’d recently seen Detroit play.

“They look real slow,” said the scout, requesting anonymity because of the protocol that prohibits members of his profession from publicly discussing players on other teams. “If they’re not hitting home runs, it’s going to be tough for them to do much in terms of manufacturing runs, because it’s all station-to-station.”

Repoz Posted: April 06, 2008 at 02:02 AM | 17 comment(s)
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   1. Robert Machemer Posted: April 06, 2008 at 02:48 AM (#2732376)
“They look real slow,” said the scout, requesting anonymity because of the protocol that prohibits members of his profession from publicly discussing players on other teams. “If they’re not hitting home runs, it’s going to be tough for them to do much in terms of manufacturing runs, because it’s all station-to-station.”
I always wonder if these sorts of things are ever planted by other teams to try to get their opponents to get away from winning baseball. Get enough of a "The Tigers are too slow to win when it counts" and maybe they'll trade some players of value for that all important final piece of the puzzle: Dave Roberts. (Or whomever).
   2. Matt Waters Posted: April 06, 2008 at 02:56 AM (#2732380)
No, no, no, the Yankees are always supposed to be to “slow” to make the playoffs. Get your own damn gimmick, Detroit.
   3. Voros Posted: April 06, 2008 at 04:06 AM (#2732398)
Right now the if the season ended today the Orioles would make the playoffs. That should be some reasonable clue that it's awfully early to draw conclusions from the games so far.
   4. jamcadbury Posted: April 06, 2008 at 05:12 AM (#2732404)
Stop clogging the bases, losers.
   5. TheHitman Posted: April 06, 2008 at 08:10 AM (#2732418)
If only the Tigers had stolen second base more often they could have scored on those lazy fly balls...
   6. wealz Posted: April 06, 2008 at 09:02 AM (#2732422)
Starting out 0-5 at home against the Royals and White Sox should be cause for concern. Even if you think an aging offense will turn it around and score, that pitching staff is a shambles. It could be a really long summer in Detroit.
   7. Tricky Dick Posted: April 06, 2008 at 09:59 AM (#2732435)
Whenever offenses are in the doldrums, fans/media frequently say the team is too slow or lazy. That happens everywhere. Teams which are in hitting slumps look lethargic because all they are doing is running down to 1st base on fly outs. It's not like Detroit has no speed...Granderson is pretty good on the base paths. Is Granderson still out of the lineup?
   8. jwb Posted: April 06, 2008 at 10:47 AM (#2732454)
Mike Hampton. Minutes from his first big-league start since 2005, the chronically unhealthy Braves lefty went down with a chest muscle injury. At what point does retirement start to look like a good option?
As soon as teams stop paying him millions of dollars a year to hang out in PT clinics.
   9. johnny_mostil Posted: April 06, 2008 at 12:18 PM (#2732509)
It's not like Detroit has no speed...Granderson is pretty good on the base paths. Is Granderson still out of the lineup?

The bigger issue, and the one that I just don't understand is not getting discussed, is that Detroit is almost certainly the oldest team in baseball. This is not usually a good thing. Cabrera and Granderson are young, but the rest of the everyday lineup is 30-something. This is Orioles territory. Speaking as a middle-aged guy, most mornings you feel young, but some days you feel really old. The Tigers are feeling really old right now. It will pass. And come back. Over and over again.
   10. johnny_mostil Posted: April 06, 2008 at 12:23 PM (#2732516)
Starting out 0-5 at home against the Royals and White Sox should be cause for concern. Even if you think an aging offense will turn it around and score, that pitching staff is a shambles. It could be a really long summer in Detroit.

Or possibly it means the Royals and White Sox are better right now than people think they are.

The White Sox could easily have escaped Cleveland with 2 out of 3 but for some really goofy-looking umpiring on Opening Day, and their offense looks a lot better with Quentin, Swisher, and Dye in the OF than with Podsednik, Erstad, and Andy Gonzalez. Cabrera is a smart guy, Crede's healthy, and they are drawing walks by the bushel (leading the league even before yesterday) rather than running themselves out of every other inning. The only significant injury is to Owens, which is probably a blessing in disguise.
   11. Brian Posted: April 06, 2008 at 12:41 PM (#2732530)
The crazy expectations are what is making this a story. Ordonez , Polanco and Renteria don't figure to repeat 2007. Sheffield does figure to repeat his second half of '07. Pudge is done. Cabrera, Guillen and Granderson could be good and the LF platoon should be average. With the pitching they have they're in big trouble.
   12. Voros Posted: April 06, 2008 at 04:51 PM (#2732894)
I dunno. We're all of five games into the season guys.

The Yankees were 9-14 in all of April last year and they won 94 games. The 0-5 hurts because that's around three extra games in the standings they have to make up, but I'm not sure the perception of the Tigers overall quality should change very much due to these five games. Granderson should be back soon, and Zumaya and Rodney should be back eventually and all of these guys should help a bunch. Dontrelle Willis is a big concern though. The Tigers need a bounceback from him, and every time he takes the mound that looks less and less likely.
   13. Tuque Snider is the new Gagne_55 Posted: April 06, 2008 at 06:14 PM (#2732949)
I actually kind of like the Royals this year. With Gordon, Butler, and Greinke, they could have a very surprising year.
   14. Jose Can Jussi Jokinen (Justin T) Posted: April 06, 2008 at 07:01 PM (#2732977)
Allow the record to show that I called the division for the Indians on Opening Day at 1:37 PM EDT in the game chatter.
   15. John Brill's #1 Fan (JMN) Posted: April 06, 2008 at 08:49 PM (#2733022)
Ordonez , Polanco and Renteria don't figure to repeat 2007. Sheffield does figure to repeat his second half of '07. Pudge is done. Cabrera, Guillen and Granderson could be good and the LF platoon should be average. With the pitching they have they're in big trouble.

Rodriguez was done last year, and he likely isn't much more done this year. Cabrera is replacing Brandon Inge's awful year. The LF platoon is replacing Craig Monroe's awful year. Renteria is replacing Sean Casey. The offense has as many places it's likely to improve as it does places it's likely to decline.

Old? Cabrera is 25. Granderson is 27. Verlander and Bonderman are 25. They also don't have many guys who are older than 33.

Chalk me up on the list of people saying it's five games. If they win tonight, they're only two back of Cleveland.
   16. The Clarence Thomas of BTF (scott) Posted: April 06, 2008 at 08:55 PM (#2733028)
the royals are better than they look. 3 decent starters between Bannister/Meche/Greinke, a decent bullpen, and some young players who could be solid offensively.
   17. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: April 06, 2008 at 09:26 PM (#2733045)
"The Tigers are too slow to win when it counts" and maybe they'll trade some players of value for that all important final piece of the puzzle: Dave Roberts.

Heck, as a Giants fan, I say SF just gives Roberts to Detroit.

I realize it's only been five games, but I have thought the 1000 run season prediction for Detroit to be a bit ridiculous.
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