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Absolutely.
Maybe the Reds thought Hamilton caught lightning in a bottle, and his trade value was at its highest.
As for Volquez, on the surface I love his minor league K/9 (8.82) and HR/9 (0.87).
Why would the Reds make this trade unless they are sloshed on some spiked eggnog? The only possibility is that they know something about his injury history, and think he is not going to be a full time player.
His injury history isn't the one you have to worry about. If I were the Rangers I'd feel pretty nervous about the Reds dealing him for Volquez. Maybe it's just a bad trade on the part of Krivsky, and I love it for Texas if Hamilton doesn't self-destruct. This looks like a "move him now while the moving is good" deal to me. Almost panicky.
It's still a damn good return on $50K...
Don't forget Norris Hopper! He's an up-and-coming young player! (The fact that he is 30 years old and has no power or patience notwithstanding)
Where does he play? Are they really brave/stupid enough to go with an outfield of Dunn/Bruce/Griffey? Or, even worse, Dunn/Griffey/Bruce? Wouldn't that be the worst defensive outfield in the history of the planet?
I love this trade for the Rangers, by the way.
So Krivsky's even more spineless than Hendry was (as spineless, anyway) in the face of Dusty's attempts to shape the roster to his liking (and seems to lack Hendry's positives). Awesome. Neifi Perez will be a Red within a week after his suspension ends.
Well, not really, but it's a step in the right direction.
Urban is right that this could indicate a loss of confidence in Hamilton by the Reds. Which shouldn't be ignored as a factor.
I know there's no such thing as a pitching prospect, but pitching is the currency of baseball, and Volquez has #2 starter potential and is MLB ready. I know I'm in a very small minority, but I'd rather have Volquez to be honest.
Nope. It's Polish for illiterate.
I agree, albeit a little sadly. The Reds need to improve their run prevention, have Bruce on the way, and have had done jackshit developing pitchers. Like everyone else, I hope Hamilton is OK and has not relapsed.
Being 100% honest, retro, I've pretty much assumed this will inevitably happen from the moment the Reds hired Baker.
Pretty much all of that minor league record is 4+ years in the past. I don't think it means anything. I wonder if the Reds are worried he's going to fall off the wagon now that he's got some income. Its that or serious injury concerns, maybe something that would prevent him from playing to his potential like Austin Kearns.
Seems like a crazy trade though, because Hamilton sure looks like a legit player and the Reds would have him for 5 more years.
Is Bruce supposed to be a bad defender? One way or another the Reds will once again play Dunn and Griffey. Is Bruce brutal as well or is it just that Griffey/Dunn/X would automatically be one of the worst outfield defenses?
Maybe they think Hamilton had something else in a bottle.
In all seriousness, I wish Hamilton all the success in the world and will root for him until the end of his career. I really, really, really hope that this is decision is based on the talent of both respective players and nothing else.
This is the first thing that I thought of too. I'm sure rooting for him. All he does is get good results. Just to clarify this for others, Hairps is a really bright guy who posts on SOSH. He did a study about the 2006 draft and concluded that Herrera had been the best performing college pitcher in 2006. It seems amazing that a guy who performed that well ended up going in the 45th round. What would be the harm of taking him in the 24th or so?
Sure he is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKplqfDcURc
I have read that church-offered drug and alcohol rehab programs are far more successful in the long run than most other rehab programs. If that is true, I assume it is because religion for the born-agains is simply a much more benign drug. They can still be addicts; they just have to smoke Jesus, not crack. By contrast, the Betty Ford-type places, perhaps don't offer a salubrious altnerative drug. So eventually, the addicts they see often end up climbing back into the drug hole.
Being 100% honest, retro, I've pretty much assumed this will inevitably happen from the moment the Reds hired Baker.
What--you think I was being facetious?
Well, then again, not everybody has Jay Bruce ready to step into an outfield slot. But if they traded Hamilton for the wrong reasons (i.e., Baker's early-onset mancrush on Ryan Freel), it bodes ill for the franchise regardless of how this particular deal pans out.
The general consensus (at least from what I've read) is that Bruce will be a solid defender in RF, but has no business playing CF in the majors. Obviously Dunn and Griffey are the big problems in that OF, but putting a guy like Bruce in CF would really compound the problem. And if Bruce plays RF, then you are left with Griffey limping around in CF (which would be an absolute Gong Show at this point). There is just no way to take two terrible LF's (Dunn and Griffey) and one solid RF (Bruce) and put together a halfway decent OF.
I know a guy you can score some killer Jesus from if your interested.
It was thought that he'd go back to school - there were even reports, IIRC, that he wasn't planning on signing with Texas, despite it being the team he rooted for as a kid. Plus there's the whole velocity thing, of course.
I'd pay decent money to see Danny Ray's pitch fx data - he's such an outlier. Supposedly, his fastball now tops out at 82. He'll sometimes post FB/CU differentials of 20-25 MPH. BA once conjectured that he might be the smallest pitcher ever drafted (again, relying on memory here). Despite all this, he gets loads of grounders and k's - how long can this last?
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I like Hairps too - thought he posted here periodically.
2. That said, couldn't the Rockies match this offer (if Hamilton is a good defensive CF) and isn't there a decent chance that sort of support system would do Hamilton a lot of good.
3. Surely this presages a Reds trade for Juan Pierre. (ducks)
That's stereotyping and really, really unfair. I've known a shitload of obnoxious bores and many (if not most) of them weren't Christians.
In addition to being a gross oversimplification, that is also very condescending and insulting.
This idea that Christians are some kind of put-upon group is one of the most outrageous in history. Just shut the #### up.
And if so many Christians weren't trying to impede scientific research and progress, I'd ignore them instead of being mad at them. As it is, I'm only mad at the ones who are trying to impede science. I don't give damn about the rest of them; they can fritter away their lives thinking they'd better not do all kinds of fun things if they want to.
My main problem with my religious friends and associates is the frequently-stated assertion that morality isn't possible without God. That makes no sense to me.
The desire for and benefits (individual and community) of belief in a higher power does make sense to me. If only that were enough to make one exist, the world might just be a better place.
(Though any reading of history and/or current events can point out drawbacks to religious fervor as well)
From what I've read, Bruce is expected to be OK in CF while he's young, and when he fills out he'll have to move to RF where he's expected to be pretty good. The issue is probably his routes (which need to improve).
Both Griffey and Dunn could be gone after '08, so that would push me into the "Reds selling high" camp. The could've sported a Griffey or Dunn/Hamilton/Bruce OF in '09. But it's still a heck of a return on $50K.
"That's stereotyping and really, really unfair. I've known a shitload of obnoxious bores and many (if not most) of them weren't Christians."
Hmmm, America is at least 80% Christian, so I'm wagering that most, if not all, of the obnoxious bores you've encountered ARE Christian...
"In addition to being a gross oversimplification, that is also very condescending and insulting."
I thought it was funny...to each his own...
As for the trade, it seems Hamilton's projections are based on a small sample size, so let's hope the Reds got some good hurlers for a guy who's already peaked...
Nope. It's Polish for illiterate.
I'm not sure what this means. My question was based on this website:
http://forum.kanka.net/archive/index.php/t-193747.html
Me, I like baseball, not mocking religions, and I love this trade for the Rangers. Volquez may throw real hard, but his walk rates are a giant, flashing red light.
Maybe he is an injury risk, and his downside is to become the Steve Howe of his generation, but his upside is as a gold-glove rightfielder with an all-star bat.
There's a reason he was drafted #1 ahead of Josh Beckett - his tools are among the best in baseball. How else could he successfully go from A-ball to the majors in one season? Volquez is a good prospect, but I would still rather have the potential 40-homer guy, risk and all.
I also agree with wcw, and I won't tell you what to believe if you don't tell me what to believe (about religion, anyway).
As far as the religion thing is concerned, I've been treated to several local interviews of Josh and his wife Katie thumping that Bible pretty hard (figuratively speaking, of course). Indeed, he seemed a bit overzealous regarding his love for Christ. Seemed as if he had simply traded one drug for another (as discussed by Rich above).
Which is why I posted the youtube link in #45. I mean, if he can so quickly forget about the woman who stayed with him through all his troubles...and his two daughters....in order to hit on a 14 year old girl...it suggests a personality that still has some serious maturity issues, no matter how much he talks about God and all that stuff.
Anyone who thinks Ryan Freel can last 130 odd games in CF playing that reckless style is doubly daft.
So now the Reds are guaranteed a ridiculously bad outfield with a key component being an injury-prone 38 year player.
Having 3 guys like Hamilton/Griffey/Freel gave the Reds a fallback when the injury to one of them invariably happened.
Oh well. The Reds want to p#ss away cheap talent that's their choice.
And the Reds develop a pitcher? That's rich. This poor b#stard from TX now sees his career DOA before the plane hits the tarmac in northern KY. Sad....
I'm not sure who his sponsor is, but Jerry Narron's firing probably created a rift between Hamilton and the organzation that led to this. Narron and Hamilton are from the same part of NC and had known each other since Hamilton was in HS. After picking up Hamilton in the Rule 5 the Reds hired Jerry's brother Johnny to baby-sit Hamilton. Johnny even held on to Josh's meal money during road trips so that Josh wouldn't be tempted with all that cash burning a hole in his pocket. Johnny wasn't rehired for '08, no surprise given that they had canned his brother. Hamilton was certainly not happy about it - he referred to him and Johnny as a package deal. So this isn't a surprise. I'm sad to see Josh go, and wish him the best in Texas.
Maybe I'm being naive, but I cannot fathom how you reached this conclusion based on that short clip. He was signing a ball for a girl, asked her a question and then walked away when she answered. I'm deeply in love with my wife and never want to do anything to jeopardize our relationship and I would have done the exact same thing he did, perhaps even staying a few minutes longer to chat.
That's a silly remark for somebody that has NO idea of my social associations past or present.
Amen. The clip wasn't shot at 4am outside a nightclub - its at 1 in the afternoon right before a friggin' spring training game. Good lord.
It's just that I see Hamilton play and I see Edmonds. The good Jimmy. Not the hobbled soul currently limping around the ballfield.
You would think a club would try to keep a guy like that on the right path. Freel has had issues of late and he's still on the roster. And he's just ok. Josh could be special.
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