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Saturday, October 11, 2008

HANK: I’M STILL IN CHARGE HERE! (RR)

Neat! I’m pretty sure The Piss-Ant Employees opened for The Vice Creems at one point.

“There is one very important point here,” Steinbrenner told The Post during an exclusive half-hour session. “The most important thing to remember is this: If you didn’t get it from me or my brother [Hal], it doesn’t mean [anything]. I don’t care about some piss-ant employee. If you don’t get it from me or Hal, it’s meaningless. I have a lot of things [in Tampa] and Hal is in New York, which is good.”

Asked if he has taken a step back, Steinbrenner emphatically said, “No.”

Since The Boss turned over the day-to-day operations to his sons, Hank has one regret.

“I should have pushed harder for the [Johan] Santana deal,” said Hank, who was talked out of signing Santana by Hal and GM Brian Cashman because they believed the Yankees’ talent (Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera) and the money (Santana signed a six-year, $137.5 million extension with the Mets) was too costly.

“My dad wanted to do that,” Hank said. “But that doesn’t mean we would have won if we got into the playoffs, because [Chien-Ming] Wang was hurt.”

Repoz Posted: October 11, 2008 at 09:39 AM | 123 comment(s)
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   101. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 12, 2008 at 08:36 PM (#2980061)

(EDIT) IOW, why the bright line between insulting someone and trolling a thread?


We're trying to err on the side of being liberal.
   102. Jeff K. Posted: October 12, 2008 at 08:40 PM (#2980069)
We're trying to err on the side of being liberal.

I KNEW IT YOU RATZAFRATZING NO GOODNIKS

</retardo>
   103. Colin Wyers Posted: October 12, 2008 at 08:50 PM (#2980092)
My general experience with short-term bans moderating online forums (I was at one point in my life a higher-up for a Star Trek message board, which I'm sure shocks absolutley nobody that's followed my "career" here at BBTF) is that rarely do they show remorse upon return, and in fact (in general) return even more antagonistic.

I hope I'm wrong here.
   104. frannyzoo Posted: October 12, 2008 at 08:56 PM (#2980101)
I saw Dan asking about Fred C. Dobbs, and I went looking for the Cubs/Dodgers thread in which I thought Dobbs went Dobbsie (ala Treasure...) and over the line. But I felt creepy about it the whole time I was searching, discovered I'm really against banning in 99.99999% of cases, and couldn't find any posts by him after going to the search engine anyway.

Put me down as being against banning, period. Not that it matters much as I rarely post anyway. I think I'll just go with the Rodney King plea of "why can't we all just get along?" Pathetic, but libertarian...I guess.
   105. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 12, 2008 at 09:35 PM (#2980153)
(I was at one point in my life a higher-up for a Star Trek message board, which I'm sure shocks absolutley nobody that's followed my "career" here at BBTF)

I was not aware of this, but now that I am, you definitely bear watching.
   106. Colin Wyers Posted: October 12, 2008 at 09:41 PM (#2980157)
I was not aware of this, but now that I am, you definitely bear watching.


I'm cured, I swear! No more Star Trek for me anymore. (Just Babylon 5, Firefly and Battlestar Galactica.)
   107. fra paolo Posted: October 12, 2008 at 09:43 PM (#2980162)
I saw Dan asking about Fred C. Dobbs

I went and looked, and found it was actually the ding-dong between retro-shiite and Dial that had disturbed. But that may be because I know them, and had never seen them behave like that before.
   108. The Politics of Torre: How the HOF Really Works Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:05 PM (#2980270)
What's a bannable offense on a Star Trek board?
   109. Ryan Jones Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM (#2980275)
What's a bannable offense on a Star Trek board?


Saying Star Wars is better.
   110. aleskel Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:18 PM (#2980291)
What's a bannable offense on a Star Trek board?

"you know, Star Trek V was actually pretty good"
   111. Ryan Jones Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:22 PM (#2980299)
"you know, Star Trek V was actually pretty good"


That's not just a bannable offense from a board. That's a bannable offense from life.
   112. Lassus Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:27 PM (#2980310)
What's a bannable offense on a Star Trek board?

"I read this fanfic about Kirk and Spock once, and..."
   113. Master of Karate and Friendship (Kyle C) Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:55 PM (#2980325)
I'm cured, I swear! No more Star Trek for me anymore. (Just Babylon 5, Firefly and Battlestar Galactica.)


Love the latter two, tried the first one and I couldn't even make it through one episode. Is there something I'm missing about it? The acting was horrible and the special effects looked like some high school kid in the 70's would have put together.
   114. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 13, 2008 at 12:12 AM (#2980329)
I actually liked Star Trek V. I mean, it's terrible, but it's good terrible . . .

Special effects on Babylon V's early seasons are very cheap, but that's not the point of the show.
   115. Monty Posted: October 13, 2008 at 12:29 AM (#2980334)
What's a bannable offense on a Star Trek board?


Saying "Everyone knows Kirk could kick Picard's ass." (or anything else that encourages people to squabble over their individual preferences) That's practically the original canonical definition of trolling, in fact.
   116. akrasian Posted: October 13, 2008 at 12:30 AM (#2980335)
I actually liked Star Trek V. I mean, it's terrible, but it's good terrible

The best thing about that movie is that while it didn't destroy Shatner's directorial career - it crippled it.

I will say it was better than Star Trek I - since they weren't pretending to be young. Otherwise, it was the worst of the 6 movies from The Original Series. Only 3 came even close to it.

On a tangent - for being reputedly such an arschloch to his fellow cast members, and being such a ham - Shatner has built an amazingly good resume late in his career. I think it started when he mocked Star Trek on SNL.
   117. Colin Wyers Posted: October 13, 2008 at 03:57 AM (#2980356)
Love the latter two, tried the first one and I couldn't even make it through one episode. Is there something I'm missing about it? The acting was horrible and the special effects looked like some high school kid in the 70's would have put together.


There are a few things that make Babylon 5 worthwhile:

* It's not, strictly-speaking, hard science fiction, but it takes the science seriously. There's no ridiculous technobabble, no deus-ex-machina of the week, no nagging inconsistencies. And it will from time to time wander into hard sci-fi concepts.
* It tells a whole story from start to finish; a lot of things that seem inconsequential or throw-away early on pay off and pay off big in later seasons.
* It has real comments on things like politics, religion and the meaning of life that are serious, thoughtful and interesting.
* I think a lot of the dialogue is clever.

That said, I don't think any of what you said is necessarily wrong, and if you can't get over that hump and engage the show on its level, I can really understand that.
   118. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2008 at 07:43 AM (#2980362)
My general experience with short-term bans moderating online forums (I was at one point in my life a higher-up for a Star Trek message board, which I'm sure shocks absolutley nobody that's followed my "career" here at BBTF) is that rarely do they show remorse upon return, and in fact (in general) return even more antagonistic.


So, then, your conclusion would be that every crime should have the same penalty and that that penalty should be death. Is that what you're saying?
   119. Colin Wyers Posted: October 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM (#2980451)
So, then, your conclusion would be that every crime should have the same penalty and that that penalty should be death. Is that what you're saying?


That would be a very liberal reading of things I didn't say, I would think. If I said:

"Gun buyback programs do not seem to have a positive effect in reducing crime."

I don't think the appropriate surmise is:

"Colin Wyers thinks that cities with gun crime problems should be burnt to the ground and have salt sewn in their fields, because gun buyback programs don't work."
   120. The Joe Mauer Power Hour (kj) Posted: October 13, 2008 at 11:43 AM (#2980454)
I can safely say I didn't expect this thread to go in this direction.
   121. aleskel Posted: October 13, 2008 at 11:44 AM (#2980455)
I actually liked Star Trek V. I mean, it's terrible, but it's good terrible . . .

it did provide a jumping-off point for Futurama's Star Trek episode, I'll give it that
   122. JPWF13 Posted: October 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM (#2980462)
My general experience with short-term bans moderating online forums (I was at one point in my life a higher-up for a Star Trek message board, which I'm sure shocks absolutely nobody that's followed my "career" here at BBTF) is that rarely do they show remorse upon return, and in fact (in general) return even more antagonistic.



When BL returned he didn't show any remorse- but he did seem quite a bit less antagonistic... Since his banning (from my POV) was unjustified- I really wouldn't have thought any less of him had he returned more antagonistic than ever.

Of course if you are trying to be consistent, if you banned BL for a series of posts belittling Furtardo and deliberately misstating Furtado's positions, then I guess you have to ban Kevin's Innermost Thoughts as well.

Speaking of Kevin's Innermost Thoughts- who is that? I always assumed that it was a sock puppet for a regular poster.
   123. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM (#2980464)
I'm not the one who banned BL.

I'm going ahead and closing the threads to comments. If you would like to continue discussion of this topic, please proceed to the Primer Lounge.
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