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Friday, February 29, 2008

Hank Steinbrenner, in another outspoken moment, denounces Red Sox Nation

Here’s...The N.Y. Times Play magazine article.

Steinbrenner, apparently trying to emphasize that he has no fear of the Yankees’ American League competition, has amped up the rivalry between the two teams, intentionally or not.

“Red Sox Nation?” What a bunch of [expletive] that is,” he said in an interview with The New York Times’ Play magazine. “That was a creation of the Red Sox and ESPN, which is filled with Red Sox fans.

“Go anywhere in America and you won’t see Red Sox hats and jackets, you’ll see Yankee hats and jackets. This is a Yankee country. We’re going to put the Yankees back on top and restore the universe to order.”

...And Hal won’t admit the World Champion Red Sox now have the upper hand in the teams’ rivalry.

“No, I will never concede,” Hal says. “They’ve got a lot of talent, and [have] done very well the past few years, but let me put it this way: I don’t think [they] wanted to play us in the ALCS. So I will concede nothing. I think we’re better than [them].”

Repoz Posted: February 29, 2008 at 04:27 PM | 92 comment(s)
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   1. Shooty Is A One Man Legion Posted: February 29, 2008 at 05:37 PM (#2703390)
Go Hal, go! I've got 20 bucks says Hal ends this season in a bunker with a loaded gun, the sound of atillery firing in the distance...

Seriously, he is entertaining. I hope he never gets muzzled.
   2. Zuvella! Posted: February 29, 2008 at 05:43 PM (#2703400)
You mean Hank. Hal is, for the most part, quiet. Hank is the wordsmith.
   3. Le Comble du Bob Dernier Cri Posted: February 29, 2008 at 05:44 PM (#2703402)
On the home page the link just says "Hank Steinbrenner, in another outspoken moment, denounces Red ..." I thought: Smith, China, Grange, Barber, Schoendienst, Menace, Tide, Ruffing, Skelton?
   4. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 29, 2008 at 05:46 PM (#2703407)
Its like I am in a time portal or something. George is ALIVE!
   5. Halofan Posted: February 29, 2008 at 05:51 PM (#2703412)
WWF SMACKDOWN!
   6. Wakefieldfan Posted: February 29, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2703414)
We’re going to put the Yankees back on top and restore the universe to order.”


It is a dark time for the rebellion.
   7. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: February 29, 2008 at 05:55 PM (#2703418)
for the first time in my life as a red sox fan, a yankee owner is trying to discredit the red sox. where is all that yankee smug superiority? oh, that's right, it has defected and now has a new address.
   8. Al Kaline Trio Posted: February 29, 2008 at 05:57 PM (#2703421)
Is it a coincedence that Hal and Hank took over for George right when Raul took over for Fidel?
   9. Swedish Chef Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:03 PM (#2703436)
It's a wonder that Hank managed to keep quiet his entire life until last year.
   10. tfbg9 Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:08 PM (#2703443)
Nice owner ya' got there.
   11. JPWF13 Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:10 PM (#2703448)
I love the little Steinbrenners
   12. robinred Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:13 PM (#2703452)
I think this is actually pretty smart: cheap headline in the off-season, fuels the fire, and many baseball fans in America now see the Red Sox and Yankees as two sides of the same coin--correctly, IMO.

Hank's mouth is a detriment in many respects, but there is no real downside here.
   13. Boots Day Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:16 PM (#2703454)
But did he reject Red Sox Nation?
   14. Cowboy Popup Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:18 PM (#2703457)
Nice owner ya' got there.

I'm entertained. It's better than having Zell own my favorite team.
   15. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:19 PM (#2703459)
lil' Steinbrenners is good for beisbol.
   16. baudib Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:22 PM (#2703462)
Good for Hank.
   17. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#2703467)
Has there ever been a bigger mismatch than the Epstein/Steinbrenner duel?

Epstein owns the team now? Good for him.

Theo could school both of these clowns while brushing his teeth before breakfast with one had while wiping his ass with the other.

School him in what?
   18. KronicFatigue Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:33 PM (#2703470)
Baseball's not as complicated as football.


wait, isn't that true? baseball is a limited series of isolated events. football has MUCH more game theory / strategy involved.
   19. Jimenez > Soriano Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:33 PM (#2703471)
Epstein/Steinbrenner?

You must mean Henry/Steinbrenner or Epstein/Cashman? Otherwise, it's a pretty stupid comment.
   20. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:33 PM (#2703472)
Isn't managing the salary cap/budget is much more difficult in football.
   21. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#2703474)
You must mean Henry/Steinbrenner or Epstein/Cashman? Otherwise, it's a pretty stupid comment.

If you are new here, don't worry, there will be more to come.
   22. Sparkles Peterson Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:36 PM (#2703479)
Why exactly is everyone so happy that Hank is a vociferous #########? Hank Steinbrenner is what you get if you take a typical 16 year old trash-talking jackass off an internet message board and give him free reign of the national media.
   23. TEA: Now with an M.A., Live from Mom's Basement Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:39 PM (#2703484)
Hal is amazing. I honestly thought this rivalry was getting too PC and tame.
   24. Cowboy Popup Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:39 PM (#2703485)
Why exactly is everyone so happy that Hank is a vociferous #########?

Because the games that count don't start for 25 days, 11 HRs, and 28+ minutes.
   25. Edmundo, more Jules than Jim Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:40 PM (#2703486)
It's a wonder that Hank managed to keep quiet his entire life until last year.
DUH, he was in him mom's basement with some spreadsheets
   26. Monty Posted: February 29, 2008 at 06:47 PM (#2703488)
You had me at "Hank Steinbrenner, in another outspoken moment".

Why exactly is everyone so happy that Hank is a vociferous #########? Hank Steinbrenner is what you get if you take a typical 16 year old trash-talking jackass off an internet message board and give him free reign of the national media.


Asked and answered! I think it's hilarious that this guy is the new voice of the New York Yankees. It's nice that there's someone out there saying every crazy, unconsidered thing that comes into his head. It makes a nice antidote to all the lawyer-crafted statements I've had to read athletes deliver this offseason.
   27. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: February 29, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2703502)
Why exactly is everyone so happy that Hank is a vociferous #########? Hank Steinbrenner is what you get if you take a typical 16 year old trash-talking jackass off an internet message board and give him free reign of the national media.


Because he sounds like a typical 16 year old trash-talking jackass off an internet message board and give him free reign of the national media.

Heck, 'bout time we got another Charlie O in the game. Things were getting too buttoned down and corporate in the ol' game. A little jackassery never killed anyone (unless they were incredibly stupid in which case three cheers for natural selection).

Let's get Lucchino in on this and fire up the ol' manure spreader.

Best Regards

John
   28. booond Posted: February 29, 2008 at 07:04 PM (#2703503)
This is one of the greatest off-season moments in Red Sox Nation history.
   29. Rich Posted: February 29, 2008 at 07:13 PM (#2703508)
Hal > Hank
   30. Gamingboy Posted: February 29, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2703518)
Ahhhh, spring hasn't truly sprung until the Yankees and Red Sox are spewing hatred at each other.
   31. Nasty Nate Posted: February 29, 2008 at 07:55 PM (#2703526)
Hank Steinbrenner doesn't have enough money to buy fear to put in my heart
   32. Brian White Posted: February 29, 2008 at 08:00 PM (#2703529)
But did he reject Red Sox Nation?


Brilliant.
   33. In the Disney betting pool, Roy Oswalt Posted: February 29, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2703532)
This is one of the greatest off-season moments in Red Sox Nation history.

Wow. That says a lot, doesn't it?
   34. porkchop Posted: February 29, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#2703535)
kevin, do you actually believe the crap you post on this site ?
   35. SacBunt Posted: February 29, 2008 at 08:32 PM (#2703542)
It was hard to hate Joe Torre, and the mental deterioration of Big Stein made hating him hard too, but this guy's got it all!
   36. 洋基's Biggest Fan! Posted: February 29, 2008 at 08:41 PM (#2703546)
If you are new here, don't worry, there will be more to come.

Brilliant.
   37. booond Posted: February 29, 2008 at 08:58 PM (#2703556)
This is one of the greatest off-season moments in Red Sox Nation history.

Wow. That says a lot, doesn't it?


They've become the Clintons to our Obama... it's been 90 years for Sox fans and it's great to see.
   38. DKDC Posted: February 29, 2008 at 09:07 PM (#2703565)
They've become the Clintons to our Obama.

I'd say they are Britney Spears to your Lindsay Lohan.

Both have been successful, and one more recently, but the rest of the world just wishes you'd both shut up and go away.
   39. Whitey's Ghost Posted: February 29, 2008 at 09:10 PM (#2703568)
Ironically, the closest thing to Hank on BTF is Kevin himself...
   40. booond Posted: February 29, 2008 at 09:26 PM (#2703572)
Both have been successful, and one more recently, but the rest of the world just wishes you'd both shut up and go away.


If the rest of the world didn't care we wouldn't hear or see as much Britney and Lindsay.
   41. Boots Day Posted: February 29, 2008 at 09:42 PM (#2703576)
I really don't want to see Hank Steinbrenner getting out of a car with no underwear on.
   42. Greg Pope Posted: February 29, 2008 at 09:44 PM (#2703580)
I really don't want to see Hank Steinbrenner getting out of a car with no underwear on.

But seeing him recreate the Marilyn Monroe pictures would be fine?
   43. scareduck Posted: February 29, 2008 at 09:51 PM (#2703584)
It is a dark time for the rebellion Empire.

Fixed.
   44. scareduck Posted: February 29, 2008 at 09:57 PM (#2703586)
“This thing’s got no pickup,” he said, gunning my midsize Hyundai down Steinbrenner Drive in Tampa, Fla.

Good to know expense accounts still exist in the print(-ish) world. Considering they all but took the Long Beach Press-Telegram behind the barn earlier today, he oughta grateful they didn't make him walk.
   45. Darren Posted: February 29, 2008 at 10:18 PM (#2703595)
It's pretty lame that Hank is shooting off his mouth while Harry's out on the front lines in Afghanistan.
   46. youklis' hideous goutee Posted: February 29, 2008 at 10:40 PM (#2703606)
Hankenstein, despite his idiotic bluster, is actually right. Red Sox Nation is a creation of ESPN, which is chock full of chowderheads. And, Yankees hats and jackets far outnumbers Red Sox gear, almost no matter where you go. Of course, that doesn't mean that many of those NY fans aren't of the bandwagon-juping variety.

The Red Sox are not "America's team". That's a myth.

Hank is full of hot air, but it doesn't mean he's ALWAYS wrong.
   47. Howie Menckel Posted: February 29, 2008 at 10:59 PM (#2703614)
Yankees fan in my office was quite excited about these comments.

He says Yankees need to get some swagger in them.......
   48. Jolly Old St. Nick (now, with Screen Name history) Posted: February 29, 2008 at 11:46 PM (#2703630)
To paraphrase Dizzy Dean, "bullshltting ain't bullshltting if you can back it up." But that's the 200 million dollar question in this case.
   49. TerpNats Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:03 AM (#2703634)
Speaking as a fan of the other 28 teams, a curse on both their houses.
   50. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:29 AM (#2703637)
Is Hank Steinbrenner Taiwanese?
   51. Jolly Old St. Nick (now, with Screen Name history) Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:41 AM (#2703640)
Is Hank Steinbrenner Taiwanese?

Well, there are certain historical analogies you could make between Steinbrenner and Chiang Kai-Shek....
   52. With 17th Pick, From LA, 1k5v3L KcoLLoP Posted: March 01, 2008 at 01:16 AM (#2703649)
Ironically, the closest thing to Hank on BTF is Kevin himself...
oh snap
   53. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: March 01, 2008 at 02:25 AM (#2703669)
Why exactly is everyone so happy that Hank is a vociferous #########? Hank Steinbrenner is what you get if you take a typical 16 year old trash-talking jackass off an internet message board and give him free reign of the national media.


I'm happy because I figure Hank's dumbness is a Yankee-specific luxury tax.
   54. Monty Posted: March 01, 2008 at 02:38 AM (#2703671)
It's pretty lame that Hank is shooting off his mouth while Harry's out on the front lines in Afghanistan.


Please tell me this was a reference to Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip's "Your brother is standing IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD IN AFGHANISTAN!" line.
   55. Gotham Dave Posted: March 01, 2008 at 05:26 AM (#2703681)
Am I the only one who was under the impression that "Red Sox Nation" was not a way of saying that the Red Sox were a nationally adored team, but rather that they had a large number of intensely loyal fans in a fairly centralized geographical area? I think Hank is beating a strawman.
   56. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: March 01, 2008 at 06:03 AM (#2703683)
Am I the only one...?


Nope. You're right about this. Nobody says "America izzzz... Red Sox Nation!"
   57. HOPE: Madison Obamagarner (Flynn) Posted: March 01, 2008 at 07:38 AM (#2703686)
Am I the only one who was under the impression that "Red Sox Nation" was not a way of saying that the Red Sox were a nationally adored team, but rather that they had a large number of intensely loyal fans in a fairly centralized geographical area? I think Hank is beating a strawman.

You mean Hank is too stupid to know the definition of a nation? I. Am. Shocked.

Yankee fans can laugh now, I don't know if they'll laugh when Hank sacks Cashman, replaces him with a flunky he can control and ends up hiring Howie Spira to tail A-Rod.
   58. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: March 01, 2008 at 10:36 AM (#2703708)

Well, there are certain historical analogies you could make between Steinbrenner and Chiang Kai-Shek....

The latter isnt' Taiwanese.
   59. Dan Szymborski Posted: March 01, 2008 at 10:49 AM (#2703710)
You mean Hank is too stupid to know the definition of a nation? I. Am. Shocked.

Come on guys, the whole "Red Sox Nation" thing is one of the lamest things around. Even ESPN didn't try to elect a President of Who is Now.
   60. Joe Bivens, Proud Union Member Posted: March 01, 2008 at 10:56 AM (#2703714)
If "Red Sox Nation" wasn't anything more than a transparent marketing tool, it would be an embarrassment. As a Red Sox fan, I can easily detach myself from that nonsense and still enjoy the games.

Steinbrenner is doing his own marketing with his tantrum.

Ignore them all, I say.
   61. Jolly Old St. Nick (now, with Screen Name history) Posted: March 01, 2008 at 11:03 AM (#2703719)
Well, there are certain historical analogies you could make between Steinbrenner and Chiang Kai-Shek....

The latter isnt' Taiwanese.

Well, duh, and Stalin wasn't a Russian, which is equally true and equally beside the point. But both Generalissimos (Steinbrenner and Chiang) were exiled from their respective mainlands and are (were) reduced to firing verbal shots at their erstwhile underlings.

But of course the Yankees will return. The ghost of John Foster Dulles has guaranteed it.
   62. Hal Chase Headley Lamarr Hoyt Wilhelm (ACE1242) Posted: March 01, 2008 at 11:05 AM (#2703720)
Chiang Kai-Shek....

The latter isnt' Taiwanese.

I hesitate to doubt anyone named "Wok" about this, but isn't that where he wound up?
   63. Jolly Old St. Nick (now, with Screen Name history) Posted: March 01, 2008 at 11:27 AM (#2703730)
Chiang Kai-Shek....

The latter isnt' Taiwanese.

I hesitate to doubt anyone named "Wok" about this, but isn't that where he wound up?

Well, Idi Amin wound up in Saudi Arabia, but nobody mistook him for a Saudi Arabian.

And if there's one thing that Chiang Kai-Shek and Mao agreed on, it's that Taiwan was little more than an offshore province of China. I'm not sure that Wok would agree with that, but then he likely doesn't even control an army the size of Steinbrenner's.
   64. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:00 PM (#2703743)
Come on guys, the whole "Red Sox Nation" thing is one of the lamest things around. Even ESPN didn't try to elect a President of Who is Now.
"Red Sox Nation" is obviously one of the lamest things around.

"Red Sox Nation" is, however, not a claim to the popular superiority of the Red Sox. That is, it's a way of soaking money from Red Sox fans by piggybacking on the already-existing sense of fan unity with a bunch of bizarre gimmicks. It is not a statement that the US is a "Red Sox nation" or that the Red Sox are America's team or something. Hank Steinbrenner, in an awesome display of adolescent insecurity, has imagined "Red Sox Nation" as an affront to himself.

It's an affront to good taste. but not to the Yankees.
   65. Zuvella! Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:33 PM (#2703757)
We’re going to put the Yankees back on top and restore the universe to order.


Lines like these make me feel that Hank is having fun with the rivalry, stirring it up for publicity, and generally embracing the entertainment part of this game called baseball.

That statement by Hank actually reveals a latent panic on their part that their losing their grip.


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I think the Yankee brand is doing just fine.
   66. tfbg9 Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:39 PM (#2703763)
That's the way I understand it too.


Not me. I take it to mean Red Sox fans everywhere, transplants, Greater Bosotn college converts, international nutters like Wok and Phil*, etc. I'll bet there's at last as many fans outside of NE now as inside.





*hey Phil. Ready for the twins to get out of the house and off the school yet?
   67. tfbg9 Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:40 PM (#2703764)
BTW, did CHB coin RSN?
   68. scotto Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:40 PM (#2703765)
This is another example of one of the stupidest threads to exist on BTF, ever. Man, why don't you all run this one into the ground again? Eventually you'll hit bedrock, but keep going, because it may change.
   69. Joe Bivens, Proud Union Member Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:49 PM (#2703774)
This is another example of one of the stupidest threads to exist on BTF, ever. Man, why don't you all run this one into the ground again? Eventually you'll hit bedrock, but keep going, because it may change.


Well! [/Jack Benny]
   70. tfbg9 Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:49 PM (#2703776)
Oh. Good, I guess.
   71. MSI Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:54 PM (#2703778)
Speaking as a fan of the other 28 teams, a curse on both their houses.



And a curse from the other darkhorse teams in the AL East...
   72. Joe Bivens, Proud Union Member Posted: March 01, 2008 at 12:57 PM (#2703779)
Speaking as a fan of the other 28 teams, a curse on both their houses.

Yeah, saw this post and it didn't register with me until now.

You really mean you're a fan of 28 teams? That's...weird.
   73. Lassus Posted: March 01, 2008 at 01:17 PM (#2703785)
In the history of retarded Yankees/Red Sox debates, this one hits a new high, or low, or whatever.
   74. Joe Bivens, Proud Union Member Posted: March 01, 2008 at 01:24 PM (#2703791)
Well...THEY STARTED IT!!
   75. Skip Jutzes OPS Posted: March 01, 2008 at 01:45 PM (#2703801)
But the Yankees don't care about the Red Sox.
   76. tfbg9 Posted: March 01, 2008 at 01:52 PM (#2703804)
As somebody astutely said here a while back--was it MCoA?--the shift in franchise paranoia levels due to the 2004 ALCS, BV/CIASH (biggest victory/choke in all sports history) is almost total.
   77. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 01, 2008 at 02:07 PM (#2703811)
Well...THEY STARTED IT!!

"no, YOU did--you invaded Poland!"
   78. Joe Bivens, Proud Union Member Posted: March 01, 2008 at 02:58 PM (#2703822)
So I'm playing the part of Hitler?
   79. tfbg9 Posted: March 01, 2008 at 03:06 PM (#2703824)
You're not tall enough.
   80. Joe Bivens, Proud Union Member Posted: March 01, 2008 at 03:09 PM (#2703826)
Hire short actors and I'll do.
   81. tfbg9 Posted: March 01, 2008 at 03:18 PM (#2703829)
They could build oversized sets too, like they did with Oh That Rusty?
   82. Joe Bivens, Proud Union Member Posted: March 01, 2008 at 03:25 PM (#2703830)
That would make everyone look smaller. Duh.
   83. Srul Itza Posted: March 01, 2008 at 03:33 PM (#2703833)
Lines like these make me feel that Hank is having fun with the rivalry, stirring it up for publicity, and generally embracing the entertainment part of this game called baseball.

MLB = WWE

Can you SMELL What the HANK is COOKING!!
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