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Yeah, against Detroit pitching. Does this just fly over the heads of every GM who falls in love this type of stat?
And isn't it a pitcher's park?
Anytime night or day
Only trouble is, gee whiz...
It is if you come up through the Kansas City system.
Well, he played some CF in '08 (285 innings worth), although UZR hated him, and the scouts weren't thrilled. He was only forced into that position by Melky Cabrera being beyond terrible. In '09, he played exclusively in LF, and he didn't look good. I'd be surprised if anyone planned on him playing CF in anything other than an emergency in '10 and beyond. (Then again, Kenny Williams did put Griffey in CF long after anyone thought he could play it, so stranger things have happened)
How is Damon an "average hitting corner OF"? His wRC+ have been 121, 107, 131, 132 ('06-'09). wOBA .362, .340, .373, .376. That was 9th among MLB LFers, and would be 16th among LF/RF combined (>400 PAs).
And Clete Thomas!? C'mon. His best proection is a .330ish wOBA, vs. .350ish for Damon.
Thanks for the info. I guess I'm expecting Damon to decline pretty quickly soon and Thomas to improve - maybe overestimating. Do you have Damon's home/road splits for wOBA?
Honestly, though--if Amaro could get some sucker to bite on a trade for Ibanez while eating a bit of salary for the rest of the deal, I'd offer Damon 3 years x $5-6 million to play LF at Citizen's Bank Park. Even if you ate half the remaining Ibanez deal ($15 million over 3 years), you might be able to get Damon for not much more than the salary relief you get from dumping Ibanez, and Damon would be far better overall to have over the next 3 years.
Please. How was he "jobbed by Boras"? According to Damon the only hard offer he got from the Yankees was 2 years, $14 mil. Is he going to get significantly worse than that from the team he eventually signs with?
Damon's big problem was that the Yankees decided pretty early on that they weren't going to pay him his apparent market value. Since then, nobody else has really been into him either (which of course suggests that it wasn't his market value after all).
They should be on Damon at any price around around one year, $6 million. You could probably justify going even higher than that, but (a) I don't think the Sox have that much money left and (b) I doubt he's getting that much, particularly with so many teams seemingly dropping out over the past few weeks. Who even has a stated interest in Damon at this point -- there's the Rays... anyone else? It seems like none of the Damon-to-Detroit talk is coming from the Tigers.
Yuck. I'd rather see what Murphy can do. I concede this isn't particularly rational, but I don't know how much more Damon really has to give. I can imagine the two putting up very similar stats next year.
Can Bay play right? Get Frenchy out of the lineup.
The claim from Cashman was that Boras instructed him not to even bother making an offer if it involved a pay cut, or words to that effect, suggesting that anything below $13m per wasn't worth the discussion. That was clearly unrealistic fairly early into the offseason, and I suspect that Boras overplaying his hand meant that Cashman moved pretty quickly onto Granderson, Johnson, and finally Winn. At each stage, Damon might have been an option (well, not to play CF, but Gardner can do that quite well).
Not that it completely stopped the Yankees and Boras/Damon talking, but it probably was a factor.
It strikes me as a pretty good number, but this is a matter of opinion. As a point of reference, .355 was roughly league average for a lead off hitter in the AL last year. Link. That mark is also pretty much average (or better) for an AL outfielder as well. Link.
For the last 6 years, Damon's OBP has been higher, averaging .366. The low over that time period was his .351 in 2007. Most of what is bringing down his career average are a few low OBP seasons in his 20's. I don't think this really represents the player that he has become, as many of these numbers were posted more than 10 years ago. My view is that Damon is an above average MLB hitter for an outfielder who has been a better hitter in his 30's than he was in his 20's.
And, yet, Damon said that Cashman DID make an offer less than $13m per -- specifically, $7 million per, for two years.
So even if Boras told that to Cashman, what harm did it do?
At that point, don't you think Boras and Damon should've figured out that $13 million per was never going to happen - anywhere? Johnny should've gotten his head out of the sand and accepted that deal.
Or at least negotiated. The way he was going to get 2/18 or 2/20 was to get two teams bidding.
By shutting down the Yankees conversation, they made it much less likely that a bidding situation would arise, and encouraged the Yankees to act on other options.
Can he play soccer? Milos looks like he'd fit right in with the English National Team.
Does anyone have a ballpark thought on just how far the expected offers drop once the rest of MLB is sure the Yankees aren't interested?
Yeah, that isn't going to happen. He'd be an upgrade on Juan Pierre, for sure, but that ship has already sailed.
For better or for worse, the White Sox are done making moves for the offseason.
Whatever. The "bash Boras" stuff is particularly silly here, when we don't even know yet what Damon will end up signing for. Either way, it's not a crime for a player to try to get what he thinks he's worth.
I'm trying to think of a list of Boras's failures, where his client ended up doing something boneheaded and getting a seriously lower deal. I can't think of any off the top of my head.
A five person outfield of Ordonez, Guillen, Damon, Jackson/Thomas, Raburn would be fine offensively, and a little challenged defensively unless Jackson is as good as the Tigers seem to think he is.
The idea that Thomas is as good as Damon is absurd. Both are left-handed, both have some speed (although Damon is probably faster and a better baserunner), and both have a little pop. But Thomas has a number of holes in his swing, which is very long to begin with, and doesn' get on base nearly as often as Damon.
Sign Damon to a one or two year deal for $7 per and get on with it. Unless they think that they have more pressing needs in a guy who can back up Inge and Sizemore (like Adam Kennedy). Hell, sign em both, it ain't my money.
According to Boras & Damon, that offer was contingent on the deal with Nick Johnson falling apart.
I don't think rejecting that offer is going to come back to bite Damon in the ass, but if they had been willing to negotiate earlier, he probably could have gotten more money (they countered the Yankees' proposal with 2 years, $20M, which I think the Yankees would have done if they didn't already have Johnson).
Of course he's not signed yet so maybe he will get more than we expect, but it's hard to see where that will come from.
Maybe. Or maybe Jesus Montero if the catching thing doesn't work out. Or maybe Granderson if Gardner shows he can hit a little and play a plus CF.
I think they're just maintaining flexibility (position and budget). They already have 3 corner player locked up for a while (ARod, Tex, Swisher). I don't think they want a 4th.
I also think they are restraining spending so as not to provoke further revenue sharing in the next CBA.
I think it's just that he's become more consistent, his age 27 season just being inexplicable (I tend to think he was playing hurt), he really hasn't been any better as hitter in his 30s than he was at ages 25-26. Considering that back at ages 25-26 he could play a decent CF he was much better player then
of course at age 27 his BABIP drop 60 points...
when his bat recovered his throwing arm went...
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