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Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Hoboken Now: The birthplace of baseball?

And Hoboken is the home of The Feelies! (and their reunion)...Huh? Wha? Hail Don? Who’s Don?

A story in the International Herald Tribune about former Yankee Robert Eenhoorn, who is now 40 and coaching the Dutch national baseball team, reports that some Dutch baseball fans believe the game is as American as Dutch apple pie.

Indeed, some Dutch fans, like Pim Van Nes, a retired diplomat and part-time sportswriter, speculate that baseball could be a descendant of the old Dutch game of “tripbal,” now extinct, that the Pilgrims Fathers may have taken with them when they left the Netherlands for America. If true, that unlikely tale would make Rotterdam, not Hoboken’s Elysian Fields, the cradle of baseball.

They’re not the only Europeans claiming to have invented the game. The English have long said that baseball resembles rounders (or stoolball); in Romania, they play oina; Russia has lapta; the French played “poisoned ball”; and the Germans played Schlagball. (You can read a lot more about the history of baseball - and forerunner games like stoolball - in David Block’s Baseball Before We Knew It.)

It’s clear there were a variety of baseball-like games played under various rules (and names) before 1846. Cartwright didn’t invent the game out of thin air, but rather codefied one set of rules for the game. Those rules were the founding document for the rules of the game we play today.

And where were Cartwright’s rules used for the first time?

Hoboken.

Repoz Posted: May 21, 2008 at 12:52 PM | 17 comment(s)
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   1. B. Selig Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:06 PM (#2789498)
The Cooperstown-Holland rivalry is keeping Blyleven out of the Hall.
   2. Shooty misses Bill King Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:07 PM (#2789499)
Well, certainly Hoboken has a better case than Cooperstown. Bummer, too. It would be much easier to get to Hoboken for me to see the HOF than Cooperstown.
   3. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:17 PM (#2789511)
And Hoboken was founded by....the Dutch!!! Q.E.D.
   4. JPWF13 Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:54 PM (#2789552)
Well, certainly Hoboken has a better case than Cooperstown.

Every candidate city/town ever mentioned has a better case than Cooperstown.

Wikipedia puts it thusly:
Folklore tells that Abner Doubleday invented baseball on a cow pasture within the Village in 1839.


From what I've read, said "folklore" consists of a single uncorroborated account given by a geezer to the commission set up by MLB to study the issue of baseball's origins. The Doubleday story was accepted by the panel since apparently it was the only account which did not inexorably lead to a foreign ultimate origin for the game.

There was no "folklore" it was a completely fabricated story, Abner Doubleday's name was apparently pulled at random from a book of notable Americans. He fit the bill because he was
1: From a small town (which is the origin they wanted for both mythical and practical reasons, stuff that went on in larger towns was too well documented).
2: "notable", but not actually famous, you couldn't claim that US Grant invented baseball for instance.
3: Dead, and thus not able to say, "WTF I didn't invent that game- I never even played it".
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:00 PM (#2789562)
There was no "folklore" it was a completely fabricated story, Abner Doubleday's name was apparently pulled at random from a book of notable Americans. He fit the bill because he was
1: From a small town (which is the origin they wanted for both mythical and practical reasons, stuff that went on in larger towns was too well documented).
2: "notable", but not actually famous, you couldn't claim that US Grant invented baseball for instance.
3: Dead, and thus not able to say, "WTF I didn't invent that game- I never even played it".


And to whomever was responsible for pulling off this particular tale, I say bravo.
   6. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:06 PM (#2789572)
And to whomever was responsible for pulling off this particular tale, I say bravo.


That person was Laura Ingalls Wilder.
   7. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:10 PM (#2789575)
Hoboken?! Oooooh I'm dying again!
   8. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:50 PM (#2789616)
That person was Laura Ingalls Wilder.

And to complete the perfecta, she also wrote the first draft of "Snakes on a Plane", which languished in a drawer for over forty years.
   9. villageidiom Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2789643)
That person was Laura Ingalls Wilder.

...who was married to Almanzo Wilder, who grew up in upstate NY. And what's in upstate NY? Cooperstown.

Take THAT, Hoboken.
   10. B. Selig Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:19 PM (#2789645)
That person was Laura Ingalls Wilder.


So's your mom.
   11. Bob Dernier Ressort Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:28 PM (#2789658)
it was a completely fabricated story

This has recently been confirmed by time travelers.

For some reason, I have it in my head that before the Knickerbocker Club went over to Hoboken in 1846, they had been playing for several years on some vacant lots at 26th and Madison, where the New York Life Building is now. But I can't locate a source right now; Warren Goldstein's Playing for Keeps says only in 1842 at a vacant lot in Manhattan. Anyway, the birthplace of baseball may be not too far from the Shake Shack.
   12. The Flores of Evil Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2789683)
Stoolball...holy crap, I'm glad someone decided to use other materials eventually.
   13. baseballing powerhouse (phredbird) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 04:23 PM (#2789715)
'the only thing doubleday started was the civil war'

don't remember who said it, but its a pertinent quote. he was the commander of fort sumter, and fired the first shot in its defense.
   14. Bruce Markusen Posted: May 21, 2008 at 05:44 PM (#2789786)
Abner Graves was the "witness" who provided testimony to the Mills Commission. Graves' advocacy of Doubleday fit what the commission wanted, so they went with the story. Later on, most of Graves' testimony was shown to be flat-out wrong.
   15. AndrewJ Posted: May 21, 2008 at 06:03 PM (#2789803)
Apparently Abner Doubleday had a younger cousin also named Abner Doubleday who lived in the cooperstown area in 1839 while the elder Abner was at West Point. Some historians conjecture that Abner Graves saw Abner #2 laying down the rules for baseball in Cooperstown (which Abner #2 presumably learned elsewhere) and, as an old man in the 1900s over 60 years later, misremembered it as the military hero Abner #1 inventing baseball entirely.
   16. drjohnnyfever Posted: May 22, 2008 at 07:56 AM (#2790709)
True Canadians all know that the REAL birthplace of baseball is Beachville Ontario:

Beachville District Museum - Baseball
Beachville Village Limits Sign
   17. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 22, 2008 at 08:46 AM (#2790732)
...who was married to Almanzo Wilder, who grew up in upstate NY. And what's in upstate NY? Cooperstown.

LOLZ.
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