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Thursday, July 24, 2008

Huffington Post: Baseball’s Biggest Scandal

When the Baseball Hall of Fame holds its induction ceremony in Cooperstown, New York, July 27, three pillars of baseball’s corporate establishment will join the ranks. But the man who freed ballplayers from indentured servitude will not. This is not only a travesty, it’s the result of a coup engineered by the conservative cabal that controls the Hall of Fame.
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What’s especially outrageous...is that Miller was blackballed by executives with whom he’d done battle--and defeated-- during baseball’s most intense labor wars. Each of them had a clear ideological and organizational conflict of interest in voting on Miller’s candidacy for the Hall.
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DeWitt, MacPhail and Giles were each on baseball’s management side during the collusion scandal, and surely harbor a grudge against Miller. Moreover, all three are heirs of baseball dynasties. Their fathers (and, in McPhail’s case, father and grandfather) were part of baseball’s management during the pre-Miller era, before the players union weakened the owners’ power and profits. Another committee member, Kansas City Royals owner David Glass, is the former president and CEO of Wal-Mart, perhaps the country’s most anti-union corporation.
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In a recent telephone interview, Miller said that the changes to the selection committee may have been made in order to pick fellow executives more than to exclude him from Hall membership. But Miller, who is hardly naive, is being too generous.

The baseball corporate establishment isn’t just anti-Miller. It is anti-union. And the MLBPA is the nation’s strongest union.

Casey Candaele‘s brother goes to bat for Marvin Miller.

Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM | 23 comment(s)
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   1. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's! Posted: July 24, 2008 at 11:36 AM (#2871184)
I'm kinda ok with Miller not being in. I think he should be, but I can see why they want to keep him out of their sandbox. Bowie Kuhn being elected is just disgusting and ridiculous. Boooo!
   2. The Joe Mauer Power Hour (kj) Posted: July 24, 2008 at 11:49 AM (#2871202)
I'm kinda ok with Miller not being in.

Didn't you read the article? This is baseball's biggest scandal! Then again, that's not a big accomplishment in a sport that's stayed so scandal-free over the past decade.
   3. Cris E Posted: July 24, 2008 at 12:08 PM (#2871233)
I think letting management vote for players is a conflict of interest. For years management fought the working man so it's impossible for me to see how those three can look past this history and make an honest evaluation of their former adversaries, the union men. Harumph. Ack.
   4. schuey Posted: July 24, 2008 at 12:09 PM (#2871237)
Marvin Miller made possible the cocaine scandals of the 1980s, the steroid scandals of the 1990s and Carl Pavano to earn $39,950,000 for virtually no work. I can see why a writer on a left wing scumbag like Arianna Huffington's website believes this is worthy of Cooperstown enshrinement
   5. Eraser-X is dominating this site! Posted: July 24, 2008 at 12:12 PM (#2871242)
Marvin Miller made possible the cocaine scandals of the 1980s, the steroid scandals of the 1990s and Carl Pavano to earn $39,950,000 for virtually no work. I can see why a writer on a left wing scumbag like Arianna Huffington's website believes this is worthy of Cooperstown enshrinement


So did Abner Doubleday!

Or did he...?
   6. The Joe Mauer Power Hour (kj) Posted: July 24, 2008 at 12:16 PM (#2871253)
Marvin Miller made possible the cocaine scandals of the 1980s, the steroid scandals of the 1990s and Carl Pavano to earn $39,950,000 for virtually no work.

I like how you lump Pavano in there with the other two.
   7. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's! Posted: July 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM (#2871255)
Marvin Miller made possible the cocaine scandals of the 1980s, the steroid scandals of the 1990s and Carl Pavano to earn $39,950,000 for virtually no work. I can see why a writer on a left wing scumbag like Arianna Huffington's website believes this is worthy of Cooperstown enshrinement

I usually try to get along with everyone here, but I'm going to pull a Gaelan and say this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted here.
   8. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: July 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM (#2871256)
Isn't this a repeat? Didn't we see an article like this a few weeks ago?
   9. Charles S. for art collecting and yelling Posted: July 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM (#2871262)
The brave American servicemen who put their lives on the line for our freedom made possible the cocaine scandals of the 1980s, the steroid scandals of the 1990s and Carl Pavano to earn $39,950,000 for virtually no work. I can't see why any right-thinking American belives we should have Memorial Day and Veterans Day celebrating them for these accomplishments.
   10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 24, 2008 at 12:23 PM (#2871265)
"Isn't this a repeat? Didn't we see an article like this a few weeks ago?"

An article like it, maybe, I can't really speak for that. But this one wasn't posted until yesterday.
   11. Lefty, Monty, And The Moose (Walewander) Posted: July 24, 2008 at 12:39 PM (#2871294)
Nice, I came in hoping for an interesting discussion of unions inside and out to find that schuey crapped all over himself. Can we move on?

And the MLBPA is the nation’s strongest union.

I found this ridiculous, although you could say it's the most secure.
   12. jwb Posted: July 24, 2008 at 02:25 PM (#2871561)
I find political discussions on sports blogs pretty useless. Sports discussions on political blogs are worse.
   13. freepass Posted: July 24, 2008 at 02:30 PM (#2871589)
The hall of fame is quickly working itself towards irrelevance. It has has always taken an incredibly conservative approach and with most baseball writers/HOF voters being tools of the owners due to protecting their access, there is a fake sense of moral/political outrage that keeps out the deserving (Miller, McGwire and Bonds & Clemens, when eligible). It is microcosm of our society in the last 25 years, where there is a bias towards the affluent (ownership) and against change.
   14. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: July 24, 2008 at 02:45 PM (#2871605)
I echo the sentiment that Miller's exclusion is not nearly the travesty that Kuhn's inclusion is. That said, though, comments like:

The hall of fame is quickly working itself towards irrelevance.

really bother me, because unless you are referring only to the plaque gallery itself and not the institution as a whole you are really missing out on the whole purpose of the Hall of Fame. The plaque gallery is the revenue-generating arm of the museum, whose value is in the representation and preservation of the whole history of the game. Dismissing the institution because Bill Mazeroski doesn't measure up to your Hall of Fame standards is really doing a grave injustice. Really, mostly, to yourself.
   15. The Joe Mauer Power Hour (kj) Posted: July 24, 2008 at 02:52 PM (#2871611)
Dismissing the institution because Bill Mazeroski doesn't measure up to your Hall of Fame standards is really doing a grave injustice. Really, mostly, to yourself.

I think that the standard of "being a Hall-of-Famer" is becoming irrelevant, and I think that comments like the one above don't mean to imply anything more than that.
   16. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: July 24, 2008 at 03:12 PM (#2871635)
Fair enough, though while I can understand (without sharing) a sentiment that "being a Hall of Famer" has always been irrelevant, I don't see how it is "becoming" irrelevant. If anything, the filters that were once letting through pretty questionable candidates appear to have been tightened.

Morgan Bulkeley was in the second class. Any thoughts of a pristine standard pretty much went out the window right there.
   17. The Joe Mauer Power Hour (kj) Posted: July 24, 2008 at 03:24 PM (#2871656)
Fair enough, though while I can understand (without sharing) a sentiment that "being a Hall of Famer" has always been irrelevant, I don't see how it is "becoming" irrelevant. If anything, the filters that were once letting through pretty questionable candidates appear to have been tightened.

That's a good point. I'm actually surprised I hadn't realized this before.

When you're young, you blindly accept the voters' decisions of who is and isn't a HOFer. After all, most of those players played a good deal before I was even born, not to mention before I could understand baseball.

As I've gotten older and understood the game more and more, I've come to question more and more HOF-related decisions. That'd be enough, I suppose, to leave me with a feeling that it's becoming irrelevant, instead of always having been irrelevant.
   18. Baseballing powerhouse Crispix Attacks Posted: July 24, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2871665)
The Hall of Fame is a bunch of plaques next to the museum. Marvin Miller is in the museum. I don't see the point of us caring about the Hall of Fame anyway...it's an award given out by a guild to members of another guild. It would be useful in showing us which players were believed to be the best at various times in history, except that Pete Rose, Joe Jackson and soon certain arbitrary PED users aren't included. Now it's not useful for that either.

More people would agree with me if the Hall of Fame was just a nebulous concept (like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was for its first 15 years or so) instead of also being a building next to a much more interesting building with which it is often confused.
   19. robinred Posted: July 24, 2008 at 05:09 PM (#2871786)
the 1990s and Carl Pavano to earn $39,950,000 for virtually no work. I can see why a writer on a left wing scumbag like Arianna Huffington's website believes this is worthy of Cooperstown enshrinement
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schuey Posted: April 12, 2008 at 11:03 AM (#2740605)

He should throw grandma under the bus like Barack Obama did. The extra Y-chromosome set like Chris Mattews, Anderson Cooper and Keith Olbermann really ate up that shuck and jive routine

schuey Posted: April 03, 2008 at 09:13 AM (#2728944)

Jimmy Carter a model of dignity and integrity??? The man who helped North Korea get an atomic bomb? The man who out-smooched Jacques Chirac is kissing Yassir Arafat's murdering ass?? The man who comdemned millions of Iranian to decades of Islamic fundamentalism?? Evenfor a Democrat, he is a most foul condescinding arrogant creature.


I keep hoping schuey will hang out with us on the next big political thread. My guess is he is one of those guys who would, but stays away now because he thinks the Liberals here are too mean and nasty.
   20. Rusty Priske Posted: July 25, 2008 at 08:38 AM (#2872521)
I actually assumed post#4 was meant to be sarcastic.
   21. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's! Posted: July 25, 2008 at 08:40 AM (#2872524)
I actually assumed post#4 was meant to be sarcastic.

A year or so ago I would have, too.
   22. Repoz Posted: July 25, 2008 at 09:58 AM (#2872609)
Bumped for Mike...
   23. Dan Szymborski Posted: July 25, 2008 at 10:18 AM (#2872639)
I can see why a writer on a left wing scumbag like Arianna Huffington's website believes this is worthy of Cooperstown enshrinement

If the Yankees didn't want the risk of paying Pavano while injured, they should have offered him a non-guaranteed contract and let Pavano go to a team that would offer him a guaranteed one.

If the owners wanted cocaine out of baseball, they could have entered freely into a CBA that allowed drug testing. Instead, they struck a drug deal with the players that would have effectively short-circuited the drug problems of the last 25 years, but the representative of the owners, Bowie Kuhn, declared additional magical powers not in the contract and the union opted out at the first option.

Miller bears no responsibility for any of those things listed. Miller was simply the pivotal man at turning contracts in baseball from one-sided to two-sided.
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