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I think the Royals should trade for Jeff Francoeur.
Yeah, that Jeff Francoeur. The one that’s become the bane of Atlanta Braves fans and the laughingstock of baseball.
Some players get called “underrated” so much that they become overrated in the process. And for some, the opposite occurs: they get labeled overrated, and that label sticks to them so tightly that the pendulum swings too far the other way.
Once upon a time, the Braves had a right fielder who, like Francoeur, met with immediate acclaim, stepping right into the lineup in mid-season and hitting .281/.304/.459 in 98 games, garnering a few Rookie of the Year votes. Like Francoeur, he was young (22) and considered an all-around talent despite the lack of speed (just one stolen base as a rookie). And like Francoeur, he swung at everything. He walked just eight times all season.
This right fielder struggled terribly the next two seasons, largely because opposing pitchers learned to exploit his impatience at the plate. In his sophomore season, he walked just 17 times in 75 games; in his third year he regressed even more, drawing just 11 walks in 60 games. He hit .235/.277/.354 combined.
The wrinkle is this: after his rookie season, this right fielder was traded, a trade that looked brilliant for the Braves when he struggled over the next two years. The team that traded for him looked like a bunch of morons.
That team was the Kansas City Royals. That player was Jermaine Dye.
Everything that has been written about Jeff Francoeur over the last year could have been written about Dye. I know, because I was the one writing about Dye 12 years ago. The comment I wrote about Dye in the 1999 Baseball Prospectus ended with the line, “His window of opportunity is just about closed.” Yeah, I missed a little with that one. Dye hit .294/.354/.526 for the Royals that year. He also drew 58 walks. Ten years later, he’s still hitting.
Maybe Francoeur learns the strike zone and turns into Dye. If he doesn’t, he still could carve out a career as an overrated but still useful RBI guy, a la Joe Carter. Carter is one of the most overrated baseball players of my lifetime, but he wasn’t a bad player. You could win a world championship with him. Legend has it that he even had a big role to play in one.
Bottom line is this: the rumor du jour is that the Boston Red Sox are interested in Francoeur. Let me repeat that: THE BOSTON RED SOX ARE INTERESTED IN FRANCOEUR. If that isn’t a big flashing neon sign that the public opinion of Francoeur has shifted to the point where he’s now an underpriced commodity, I don’t know what is.
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A trade of absolutely nothing for Francœur would be a good trade. And the Royals have a good relationship with the Braves, so they could be the team to get him!
Dye, after 1888, was hitting .252/.287/.394, yes -- in 894 PA's.
Frenchy is now hitting .267/.309/.427 in 2,527 PA's.
His numbers are better (90 OPS+ compared to 75) but wow, almost three times the plate appearances.
Offerman has a career 94 OPS+. I don't think you can fault the Dodgers for cutting bait.
I don't think his bat was the problem, it was the 36.5 errors/150 games.
team games PA OPS+LAD (6 yrs) 579 2297 87
KCR (3 yrs) 415 1825 108
BOS (4 yrs) 465 2089 90
SEA (1 yr) 29 51 81
MIN (1 yr) 77 202 96
PHI (1 yr) 33 38 67
NYM (1 yr) 53 80 70
So the Dodgers let him go at the wrong time, and the Royals got him at the right time and let him go at the right time. The average of all his career stats doesn't apply.
Ok, not the best comparison since Francoeur is toolsy and still appears to have the physical capability to break out, but the point stands that failing players continue to fail a lot more often than they suddenly become really good.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2009/05/12/a_dizzying_turn/
John Nathans shares your opinion.
Jermaine Dye is much older than I realized. But, as I remember him coming up, I may also be much older than I realized.
This is very distressing.
But it's true. There's Dye. There's MWE's fave Francoeur comp (and current Royal!) Jose Guillen. There's Joe Carter. There's Juan Encarnacion. Lots of guys of Francoeur's ability and style have carved out useful to average ML careers for themselves.
Two issues with Francoeur. He apparently didn't take his demotion last year very well and he seems to have a fairly high opinion of himself. Second, that high opinion of himself had him asking for $4 M in his first year of arbitration, settling at $3.4. So the next two years of Francoeur are gonna cost a team $7 M at least -- more if they give him ML playing time. That's a lot to pay in hopes that he'll turn into something useful.
If you're willing to send him down (and he's willing to work) or if you can non-tender and re-sign at $1-2 M and you aren't giving up anything in trade, then he's worth a gamble.
TFA actually does do that. First he suggests Jose Guillen. Clearly, this makes sense if the Braves pick up the contract. He says he'd be willing to have the Royals pick up the contract as well. I guess that makes sense too (assuming you've given up on this year, anyway), since the two players have skills in similar areas, but one's a decade younger. One wonders, though, whether they shouldn't try to find a flopped catcher or shortstop instead.
Thinking that the Guillen scenario might be unlikely either way, he continues:I know Rosa had a good ZIPS, which would be enough for me not to want to trade him for Frenchy, given the limited value of the latter. I suppose "a low-minors reliever" is always a safe thing to trade. At that point, you have to flip it around and ask whether Atlanta could trade the former franchise (and still fellated daily by the press) player for a mediocre relief prospect in the low minors, or whether they'd at least want somebody whom someone has heard of.
Rany suggests that there may be a problem which is nearly the opposite of that one:
I dunno, I assume that when a player declines in every phase IT IS PHYSICAL, rather than mental.
I fully endore this "radical solution." I have another solution in mind for Francoeur if Rany's idea doesn't come to fruition.
Make Jeff Francoeur the first player/GM/coach in history?
I had something else in mind though.
Do the words "Soylent" and "Green" factor into your plan?
Francoeur's Final Solution?
+1 right here...
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