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I just thought that these are questions which might be raised.
he spent large amounts of money on alcohol, swank clubs and ritzy hotels
Of those 3 things I'll bet the booze was by far the cheapest. The fourth undocumented item, drugs, was likely the most expensive.
No, per #6, you're an #######!
Or... you think that in the week since Leyritz ran over this woman, he snuck into the courthouse and switched the documents in his file for phony ones?
D'oh. Thanks, David.
He did. He was wearing a Lone Ranger mask and black sweatsuit, and when he tiptoed you could hear the sound of pizzicato stings being plucked.
It is unfortunate that given the nature of the job in question, he had to leave the sack with the dollar sign printed on it at home.
I hope he made it count, 15 years is a loooooong time.
"In the divorce papers Leyritz filed in Florida when leaving his second wife, Karrie, the hard-partying catcher claimed nearly all of his money had disappeared because of exorbitant taxes and a shady financial adviser.
His financial records from August 2003 to December 2003 tell a different story.On a two-week trip to New York in October, he dropped thousands of dollars at the China Club, Tao, Elaine's and other nightspots. He also spent more than $3,000 at the Shelburne Murray Hill hotel.
In Florida, Leyritz blew through hundreds of dollars at liquor stores, including Fine Spirits in Cooper City. One day that August, he spent $256.23 there on alcohol. He returned two days later to buy an additional $169.53 worth of booze."
So he spent several thousand dollars on parties and travel over a five month period. That seems like small potatoes compared to the headline. It could well be that he did lose millions to shady financial advisers and bad business deals; yet certainly wasn't helped by his spending habits.
Also, I like the use of the phrase "when leaving his second wife" as opposed to divorcing. I am no fan of Leyritz and am appalled by his crime, but they are obviously trying to sell papers here.
Jim Leyritz is up for what might be called "tough compassion", then. It is hard enough to feel sorry for him that it's no shame to give it up as a bad job. An empty life taking away someone else's life is a hard sell.
I have no problem with this. The only thing he's done wrong is drive a car. Of course that was a whopper of a mistake in judgement.
Fixed.
Someone bump SugarBear Blanks, he's skipping.
Actually, they're trying not to use a form of the word "divorce" twice in the space of about six words.
It's like saying that an increase in the minimum wage is bad because I know this guy who worked for minimum wage and also beat his wife. There are arguments against increases in them minimum wage that make plausible use of logic and fact. This is not one of them.
You're taking advantage of a tragedy to take unrelated cheapshots at baseball's labor leaders. It's distasteful and inane, in equal measure.
hilarious. i wish toe nash would have become really rich. you know he would be blowing money in crazy ways. rocket car and a gold house, indeed.
Yeah, because the same money in the pockets of the owners would only be used to build orphanages. I hope you were being sarcastic. However, seeing as you posted the same thought twice maybe you're just looking for a reaction or should Marvin Miller be seen as an accomplice to this crime?.
Agree. he "blew millions", and their examples are of blowing hundreds or thousands. How about that time he blew $12 for 2 Sam Adamses in the MIA airport?
SugarBear sure likes them MLB owners.
It's completely related to the "meaning of the event," which was to place MLB players into a rich and arrogant and overprivileged class to which they're not worthy, generally speaking. If you think the sense of entitlement that engenders in scores of players, and obviously engendered in Leyritz, had nothing to do with this you're blinded by your fanboyism.
Your minimum wage example is inapposite. Baseball players before Miller/Fehr weren't remotely minimum wage earners as has been discussed at length already.
I know it's fun to smack down ARod and such, and I don't hold out much hope that he's this deep-thinking, empathetic soul who has a master plan for massively improving this country's bottom end housing stock, but just because a couple of people complain about their rich landlord doesn't exactly make ARod a slumlord. Perhaps you have visited these homes and have some pictures or maybe I missed the article where he's been indicted for some slumlordy activity?
EDIT: I can't think of a construct where "It would be food.." could work as a bit of fat-finger humor, so let's change it to be "good".
Not really. He's just aware of the obvious empirical and historical fact that their excess wealth is more likely to be spent on socially useful ends, as he pointed out in an earlier spirited discussion of these matters. He believes one of those discussions was in re the A-Rod deal, and took place a few days before the NYT exposed A-Rod's use of his money to run a series of slumlord operations.
As metaphor and humor, that's pretty good. As social commentary, not so much, though you're right, I might have more aptly used the term "criminal" class in lieu of "overprivileged." But since my heart was still all atwitter, I softballed it.
How bad is this? It's about $220/night. It's much more than the Motel 6 I usually stay at, but: 1) SABR usually costs $100/night and that's despite negotiating at a discounted group rate, 2) NYC has got to be the priciest place in the hemisphere. I'm sure there were cheaper options, but for a 2-week hotel in NYC, you're going to end up with a hefty hotel bill.
"In the divorce papers Leyritz filed in Florida when leaving his second wife, Karrie, the hard-partying catcher claimed nearly all of his money had disappeared because of exorbitant taxes and a shady financial adviser.
His financial records from August 2003 to December 2003 tell a different story.
Actually, I see an underlying consistency - he's very careless to his money. The line about exorbitant taxes makes it sound like he was unaware how much he was going to lose to the governemnt. Let's overlook for a second the debate on whether or not taxes are too high - it really shouldn't come as a surprise to him that he's losing much money on taxes. I can understand being floored the first year or two in the bigs when he's first making serious dough, but at a certain point in time he's got to realize the million dollar check is really only 600 thousand or so. If he's complaining about losing money on taxes, it sounds like he just was clueless/indifferent to his own finances.
He engages himself with a sharp talking, smart looking financial adviser who screws him over. He doesn't spend much time thinking about his money, hired someone to do that for him, and it comes back to bite him in the arse. Oldest story in the world.
And then, of course, he spends it on good times.
I agree with this assessment. You could easily find periods of my life where I have spent similar amounts in similar time periods on similar things... though China Club is lame, Tao is a good time, Elaine's is horriable. Though I haven't made 10mm buckeroos.
It's EXTREMLY CHEAP. Most reasonable Manhattan hotels, are in the 400-700 range per night.
I am not sure whether you are just entertaining yourself on a slow workday, or hopped up on something strong. So now you are going to decide who should have money?! And wherein comes the assumption that baseball owners spend their $ more responsibly? Wasn't Steve Swindon arrested for a DUI few months ago..
As for ARod's operations, that is a business, which he funds. I don't see the rich people of the world all trying to stop make more $ and give away their wealth? Ask Paul Allen why he is hoarding up on bandwidth and not funding more charities next time you meet him.
The labour laws were designed for a more equitable distribution of the money which the game was generating. Whether they spend to money to fight leukemia or hire the best strippers is neither here nor there.
now imagine if you were drinking the good stuff instead of colt 45 and donaghy estates sparkling wine?
Read more. Or at least read more non-fiction.
The labour laws were designed for a more equitable distribution of the money which the game was generating. Whether they spend to money to fight leukemia or hire the best strippers is neither here nor there.
The labor laws, and all laws, are meant to improve society. It's self-evidently better for society if more money is spent to fight leukemia than on strippers and porn. I'm baffled at how anyone could think for a moment otherwise.
i would imagine the strippers and pornstars don't see it that way.
Who exactly is worthy of being placed in a rich and arrogant and overprivileged class? Jeff Loria? Donald Trump? Paris Hilton? George W. Bush?
this guy! *points at self*
Obviously, the most beneficial use of your money would be to spend it on a stripper with leukemia.
Al Franken had a terrific bit in one of his books about how important the porn industry was. Not only the actors, but think of all the production people (sound, lighting, craft services) who are being supported by it!
Not major league baseball players, that's for sure.
Not heirs and heiresses, that's for sure. Not people who got rich by ripping off the government, that's for sure.
Who is, then?
So a law mandating x% of all income be given to charities you deem worthy is one worth getting behind then?
I'm all for being generous with whatever financial means one has but that doesn't mean everyone else needs to share that sentiment.
If you're trolling, congrats. If not, you better be giving every dime you make above and beyond what it costs to feed, clothe and shelter you and your dependents.
and this guy is worthy of being your pathetic and cowering but loyal sycophant!
Now you are telling me what to do? How about adding something meaningful instead of taking some ridiculous stance, and shooting your mouth off? Are you saying I missed some grand event where the millionaires of the world got together, decided to forego their profits, and fund charities all over the place?
The labor laws, and all laws, are meant to improve society. It's self-evidently better for society if more money is spent to fight leukemia than on strippers and porn. I'm baffled at how anyone could think for a moment otherwise.
Because you are on a high horse and whaling away at the windmills. Noone is saying the society is better for people spending money on tawdry entertainment rather than charity. But denying a more equitable distribution of wealth hoping for some "trickle down" charity to happen is ludicrous. You can't define a wealth distribution on who you think is going to do better things with it. Players are as likely to help charities as owners. And just as likely to waste it as the owners.
As a researcher who fights diseases like leukemia, I heartily endorse endorse this view. I would add that I could be persuaded to fight a little harder for some large bags full of cash.
EDIT: Also, I'm not really a big drinker. And I'm cheap.
Your mindless comments about how Marvin Miller didn't improve the lives of impoverished Sudanese children make little enough sense when the discussion is about Marvin Miller. But WTF does Marvin Miller have to do with the question of whether Jim Leyritz drank away all his money or misinvested it or whatever?
Maybe he did his drinkin' in the fifties, when a bottle of that good sasparilla went for less than a bit.
It's very hard for me to feel anything other than contempt for Leyritz. A millionaire athelete who blows his fortune on women and partying then kills a mother of two on her way home from a late night job. Irreprably shatters the lives of her two children. Luckily, a higher court has all ready sentenced this man to a fate worse than any damp prison cell... A perpetuity of being Jim Leyritz.
For all his faults, Barry Bonds never killed anyone.
Who is, then?
Heirs and heiresses and people who earned their money through more substantive means than playing a game don't act out whatever sense of entitlement they have to anywhere near the degree of major league baseball players and other overpaid athletes.
I'm not even sure they should be placed in my "arrogant and overprivileged class," but I'm sure the socially envious would.
If you think drunk driving is caused by a "sense of entitlement," then you are the biggest idiot ever. Do you think poor people don't drive drunk?
Suggestion: ALWAYS check the hotel website or other nearby hotels when you go to a conference where rooms are reserved at a discounted group rate. The discount is often not as good as, say, the AAA rate, web rate, etc. I think this is particularly true in the second-tier convention towns that SABR tends to frequent.
Have you somehow managed to completely miss the existence of Paris Hilton these past few years? If so, God bless you, and could you please share your secret?
Second, you're pulling these "facts" out of your ass.
Third, athletes are by definition not overpaid.
Not as long as your heart's still ticking.
Your mindless comments about how Marvin Miller didn't improve the lives of impoverished Sudanese children make little enough sense when the discussion is about Marvin Miller. But WTF does Marvin Miller have to do with the question of whether Jim Leyritz drank away all his money or misinvested it or whatever?
Asked and answered. By enriching mere baseball players way beyond any reasonable measure, the result of Miller's comically overrated work was to turn them into a "rich, arrogant, and overprivileged class to which they aren't worthy." It's not Leyritz's drinking that shows it, it's his chronic lack of consideration for the law and other people that shows it. (As well as his pissing away money he never should have been paid, and wasn't worthy of.)
The only thing missing here was the definitive apres-crime line of the pampered post-Miller era athlete, "Do you know who I am?", which we can rest assured Leyritz would have uttered had he been sober.
Then you obviously didn't understand the argument. Obviously players can put the money to worthy uses. But, taken together they don't, with rare exceptions.
Since when did heirs and heiressess earn their money?
No, I've seen her. And for every Paris Hilton there are dozens of athletes.
You are saying the owners should have pocketed all the money, and players get comparable pittance. next you want the studios stop paying money to actors and actresses, and pocket all the revenue. You are onto a great new concept.
And then the few rich people will be benevolent dictators, and assign the money to the most needy and worthy causes. Bravo!
Now go and sleep the rest of the acid off.
EDIT :
But, taken together they don't, with rare exceptions.
Give me any substantstative proof of this, and I will give up alcohol/smoking for a month
But the key to proper trolling is subtlety.
It shows as much about ballplayers in general as Roberto Clemente's death while carrying supplies to earthquake victims does.
Your "logic" is the same as the ######## in the media who indicted the Duke lacrosse players as rapists because they were privileged, so they must be overprivileged and hence bad people.
Millions of people pay millions of dollars for porn, too. "Socially valuable" has little to do with that on which the masses expend their money. If that's your sole criteria for the term, fine, but ... what was that about idiot philosophers, again?
Can you do me a favor and remind me why this is bad?
Isn't the key the ability to draw people into idiotic arguments?
Reductionist, idiotic, question begging, and utterly hollow.
And ahistorical, as ridiculous salaries have been part of the landscape for about 15 years, mass sport for 120 or so, and industrial society for 210 or so.
Touching yourself is a sin?
What does that have to do with anything? For every Jim Leyritz, there are dozens of athletes who are fine upstanding citizens.
But everyone else ends up in hell.
Even if you wear a glove?
What about someone else, while it is on in the background?
People like you have been calling salaries "ridiculous" since the beginning of professional baseball. The decimal point has moved; the rhetoric hasn't.
Hmmmm...better check with the Pope on that one.
Well, put this in your calander then. Good to know, you at least have a lick of sense.
Germans love the porn.
Are you serious? I typed "Sad." How can you conclude that I am not sad for the person that was killed? You do know that "Sad" is synonym for lamentable, deplorable.
If you want a modern day lynching, fine, but I am not going to join in this lame game where we all try to outdo eachothers rage and I guess my "Sad." is not up to snuff.
Might as well hang me too. You are deplorable.
why not blame Gatling for World War I and Einstein for the atom bomb while you're at it?
Why not blame Henry flipping Ford for every traffic death since 1900?
He's on the hook for global climate change, too.
You know what's really funny? The case for blaming Marvin Miller is even less than the indirect cases that can be made for the other 3.
And all the philosophy regarding virtue, a life well-lead, and the like comes down to this: a multi-millionaire purveyor of kiddie porn is orders of magnitude more worthy than those who teach the poor and heal the underprivileged sick.
Your idea does have the benefit of simplicity though, so there's that.
why not blame Gatling for World War I and Einstein for the atom bomb while you're at it?
Why not blame Henry flipping Ford for every traffic death since 1900?
As to the first, asked and answered.
No one's "blaming" Marvin Miller. Don't be silly.
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