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Thursday, November 13, 2008

Joe Posnanski Blog: Herb Score (1933-2008)

Herb Score died Tuesday. He was 75 years old. It had been more than 10 years since he had called an Indians ballgame, but his death still hit me hard. He was very much on my mind Tuesday night when, for reasons that I cannot begin to explain, I found myself as the featured speaker at a singles club at a church. Someone asked what it was like growing up in Cleveland in the 1970s when, let’s face it, things weren’t all that great. Cleveland was a punchline. The sports teams were all lousy. The Cavaliers off-court entertainment was called “Fat guy eating beer cans,” which pretty succinctly described the act. The Indians were such a farce that sometimes the team bus had to drive around on the road to find a hotel that management had not stiffed on the bill. The city went bankrupt. It was said that you could walk across Lake Erie. The Cuyahoga River had only just stopped burning. The sky was smog. The snow was slush. The Winter of ‘77 was like Siberia with potholes. That was home.

And, I said, here’s what I believe: When you are growing up, you are raised by your parents, but also by your friends, your teachers, your faith, your neighbors, your city. At the end of the day, you are really raised by your hometown baseball announcer.

Herb Score was the Cleveland Indians radio announcer from 1968, the year after I was born, to 1997, which was the year the Indians lost to Florida in the World Series. His last game was Game 7, which was fitting because the Indians lost in heartbreaking style, a scene Herb relived many times, for most of his life.

Repoz Posted: November 13, 2008 at 09:26 AM | 44 comment(s)
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   1. tribefan  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 08:55 AM (#3008051)
What a great article.

He was calling Cleveland Indians games in that heady spring of ‘87, when I felt sure that Cory Snyder, Joe Carter and Brook Jacoby were taking the Indians to the World Series.

Man, it just hurts me to even look at that cover. Look how happy they looked. Wahoo is like the third-happiest guy on that cover.


I hear you man...
   2. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 09:28 AM (#3008085)
So who's in the all-time greatest rotation of what-might-have-beens (definition: career ended early through no fault of the player's own, i.e., no druggies, juicers or Brien Taylors allowed): Herb Score, Smokey Joe Wood, J.R. Richard ...?
   3. Mike Webber  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 09:34 AM (#3008091)
Steve Busby
   4. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 09:36 AM (#3008094)
At the end of the day, you are really raised by your hometown baseball announcer.

Ahhh man. Shooty is really missing Bill King now.
   5. Dewey, Local Boy and Soupuss  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 09:37 AM (#3008096)
At the end of the day, you are really raised by your hometown baseball announcer.

Unfortunately, that means I was raised by Hawk Harrelson.

That would explain a lot, actually.
   6. Cold Prosimian  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 09:41 AM (#3008099)
Mark Prior has to be on that list, and maybe even Fidrych.
   7. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R)  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 09:57 AM (#3008107)
Fidrych was never good, only lucky.
   8. El Hijo del Ron Santo (Alan Keiper)  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 10:06 AM (#3008111)
My own addition to that rotation is Charlie Ferguson. 99-64 his first four seasons, ERA+ of 121. On top of that, he had an OPS+ of 123, playing the field often on days off of the mound. He died of typhoid fever in April of 1888, just 25 years old.
   9. Player X  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 10:24 AM (#3008136)
At the end of the day, you are really raised by your hometown baseball announcer.

My worldview, thankfully, was not shaped by Jack Brickhouse.
   10. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM (#3008139)
Fidrych was never good, only lucky.


########. I can understand the argument that his strikeout rate was too low that it was highly unlikely that he'd have a great career, but that was a pretty good rookie year. Outside of Aurelio Rodriguez, who was a good defender on that Tiger team? IIRC, his main catcher was Bruce Freakin' Kimm.
   11. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Marching Through Georgia  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 10:37 AM (#3008153)
Fidrych was never good, only lucky.

I was at the July 4th game in Baltimore in 1977 when Mark Fidrych first encountered arm trouble. Prior to that, his ERA for the year was 1.83. In his 1976 rookie year it was 2.34 with an ERA+ of 158. His money pitch was a hard sinker that resulted in one weakly hit ground ball after another, and he always had excellent control. I'm not sure exactly where the "luck" comes in.
   12. Bruce Markusen  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 10:42 AM (#3008154)
Here here, Carl. You're right. The rest of that Tiger infield had Jason Thompson (a below average defensive first baseman), Pedro Garcia (an erratic, error-prone second baseman) and Tom Veryzer, who was a pretty good shortstop but certainly not spectacular. And then look at that Tiger outfield: Alex Johnson in left, Ron LeFlore in center, and Rusty Staub in right. What was an atrocious defensive combination. Johnson was a brutal defensive player, LeFlore should have been playing in left, and Staub was on the verge of becoming a DH.

One advantage that Fidrych did have was the deep grass on the Tiger infield. For a pitcher that kept his pitches down, that certainly helped. But other than A-Rod, he didn't have any other Gold Glove candidates out there.
   13. Vaux, A.B.D.  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 10:47 AM (#3008156)
I was raised by Ernie Harwell and Tom Cheek--could have done worse.
   14. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM (#3008162)
FWIW, here's 1976'DERs.
   15. Bob Dernier Cri  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 10:59 AM (#3008166)
Fidrych was astonishingly good. He would put pitch after pitch precisely where he needed to. He was doing at 21 what Jamie Moyer was doing at 40, and maybe there's no way Fidrych could have kept it up till he was 40, but there was no luck involved.

Wayne Simpson is another might-have-been. He turns 60 years old next month. My God, where has the time gone.

At the end of the day, you are really raised by your hometown baseball announcer

At last, my passive-aggressive Oedipal issues with Richie Ashburn can be explained.
   16. Dag Nabbit: formerly tolerant of lactose  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM (#3008168)
No one ever talks about them, but take a look at how good Gary Nolan and Don Gullett were at ages 19-20. FWIW, Nolan is one of only 4 liveball pitchers to toss 200+ innings at age 19.

If they had panned out, they 1975 Reds could've won 120 games.
   17. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory)  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:07 AM (#3008176)
Heh, DN, I was going to bring up Gullett.

If you're raised by announcers, I was a latchkey kid, the Sox bouncing around from station to station with some truly godawful announcers (J.C. Martin, wooo) until they settled on Caray and Piersall.
   18. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:08 AM (#3008177)
My two dads were Ned Martin and Jim Woods.
   19. Tom Nawrocki  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:09 AM (#3008178)
If they had panned out, they 1975 Reds could've won 120 games.

Gullett was still pitching, and pitching great, for the 1975-76 Reds. It was just that he could only make 20 starts a year. Over those two years, he was 26-7 with a 2.67 ERA in 42 starts.
   20. Rodder  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:14 AM (#3008181)
I grew up in North Dakota with no local team broadcasts on radio (the Twins games were only on in eastern ND at the time). Does that make me an orphan?
   21. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:14 AM (#3008182)
Rex Hudler and Steve Physioc...World's Worst Parents Award.
   22. bunyon  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:17 AM (#3008184)
At the end of the day, you are really raised by your hometown baseball announcer.

I need a drink.
   23. SoSHially Unacceptable  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:18 AM (#3008186)
I grew up in New York as a Red Sox fan. So Phil Rizzuto was my kindly stepfather, even though both he and I knew he could never be my "real" dad.
   24. Currey  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:36 AM (#3008202)
As always, something good from Joe.

Raised by Jack Buck. Can't complain about that. How about Johnny Beazley for the might-have-been list? 21-6 with a 162 ERA+ in 1942. I think the story is that while serving during WWII some commanding officer made him pitch game after game to entertain the troops, which resulted in injury.

Heck, as long as I'm thinking about flameout Cardinals, Rick Ankiel could be on there too.
   25. jwb  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM (#3008206)
Thank god Warner Wolf up and left us while I was still young!
   26. Hang down your head, Tom Foley  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:39 AM (#3008209)
Unfortunately, that means I was raised by Hawk Harrelson.


Maybe it was good that we couldn't afford SportsVision and our cable cheat box wasn't that good. Joe McConnell, Early Wynn, Del Crandall, and Lorn Brown raised me right.
   27. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM (#3008213)
I'm looking at Dan's WARP2 data now. He is a smart guy who puts a lot into this, so I decided to look at his side of the argument. According to him, The Bird was tied for the lead in pitchers WARP2 with 7.2 in 1976 along with Vida Blue. However, that's tied for the 25th best number in the 1970s.
   28. Ryan Jones  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM (#3008225)
The Bird was tied for the lead in pitchers WARP2 with 7.2 in 1976 along with Vida Blue. However, that's tied for the 25th best number in the 1970s.


So that's the 25th best number for the 70s, and was put up by a rookie, in an era filled with Hall of Fame quality pitchers, many of who were in their primes. That's still pretty damn good, no matter how you look at it.
   29. Repoz  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:08 PM (#3008229)
Bob Gamere was my pop.

Visitation hours in Mass. suck!
   30. Edmundo is Super Average Man  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM (#3008239)
I guess my dad was Waite Hoyt, picking up step-dads By Saam, Bill Campbell and Richie Ashburn when my family divorced Cincy when I was 10.
   31. tribefan  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM (#3008242)
MLB.com has a couple of video tributes to Score up now. Some cool old footage on there.
   32. Where's Vince Lloyd Now That We Need Him?(sjs1959)  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM (#3008247)
At the end of the day, you are really raised by your hometown baseball announcer.

My worldview, thankfully, was not shaped by Jack Brickhouse.


I turned off the sound and listened to Vince Lloyd and Lou Boudreau, and they even made a Cubs loss (103 of them in 1966) sound great.

I miss them still.
   33. Craig Calcaterra  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM (#3008249)
Ernie Harwell was my daddy, but then mommy and I moved down south and Skip Caray entered the picture. He never was as good as dad, but then again he never tried to be, and that made it work.

See, not all broken homes are bad.
   34. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:32 PM (#3008252)
Craig, did Ernie try to retain your love by showering you with gifts?
   35. Trevor Crowe T. Robot (Dan Lee)  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM (#3008256)
At the end of the day, you are really raised by your hometown baseball announcer.

I grew up listening to Herb Score, which explains a lot about why I don't talk very much and I'm always slightly confused.
   36. Gonfalon Bubble  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:36 PM (#3008257)
I was touched inappropriately by the voice of Joe Garagiola.
   37. SoSHially Unacceptable  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:42 PM (#3008261)
Gonfalon's fatherly reminiscence is going to be tough to top. Outstanding.
   38. Craig Calcaterra  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 12:58 PM (#3008279)
Craig, did Ernie try to retain your love by showering you with gifts?


No, he remained distant, and I engaged in all manner of acting-out behavior in order to gain his attention. There were things I did that I regretted, but I'm sure there are all kinds of girls out there with daddy issues who can explain that to you.

I . . . I'm just not ready.
   39. gef the talking mongoose  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 01:00 PM (#3008282)
Growing up in fairly remote southwest Arkansas, I rarely had a chance to listen to baseball, but the signals I was occasionally able to pull in from Little Rock would've been Cardinals broadcasts, so I guess Jack Buck was my absentee father. (My biological father was pretty absentee as well ... his dying right before I turned 8 didn't help the situation a whole lot, either.)

Bob Costas' brief visit to the household in the form of a barely audible broadcast (on KMOX?) of the ABA Spirits of St. Louis' first game might count for something, but by then I'd entered adolescence & was probably pretty immune to his influence.
   40. The Marksist  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 01:23 PM (#3008297)
Terry Pluto once asked Herb about that, asked him why he never talked strategy — for instance why he never said, “Hey, this is a good time for a bunt.” And Herb gave a beautiful answer. He said: “No. That’s for a father to tell his son.”


This evoked the clearest, warmest vision of my potential future fatherhood I have ever experienced.
   41. El Hombre Triple MVP (Alex)  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 02:15 PM (#3008357)
Heck, as long as I'm thinking about flameout Cardinals, Rick Ankiel could be on there too.


Somebody mentioned that Ankiel was on the verge of his 30th birthday this season on a Cardinals forum I frequent. I knew he was close in the back of my head, but seeing it written blew me away. It was a decade ago that he was the single best pitching prospect in baseball and striking out 10 batters per 9 innings in the majors without being able to legally drink. Still breaks my heart a little to think about what happened to him, though his incredible transition as a legit Major League outfielder has softened that blow.
   42. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory)  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 02:15 PM (#3008358)
Joe McConnell

Ahhhhhhhh, Joe McConnell...best Bears PBP ever. Man, did he have a great excited style of calling a game.
   43. AndrewJ  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 02:38 PM (#3008399)
So who's in the all-time greatest rotation of what-might-have-beens


Steve Dalkowski, Jim Creighton...
   44. AndrewJ  Posted: November 13, 2008 at 02:48 PM (#3008409)
It’s fair to say that Herb Score was the best pitcher in the world in 1956, when he was only 23 years old. He won twenty games that year. He led all of baseball with 263 strikeouts. He struck out 9.49 batters per nine innings — he was the only starter in baseball history to have struck out more than a batter per inning over a season (and he had done it twice).


A quick check of bbref reveals that 9.0+ Ks per nine innings in a season has been accomplished 119 times since Herb Score. He's kind of like the Roger Bannister of strikeout pitchers...
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