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It was downright Jeterastic!
One other change I'm hoping for is an offense LF, perhaps Dunn or Bay in a trade around maybe Cliff Lee, Barfield, and one of our AAA outfielders. The Indians are real close and hopefully Shapiro makes some smart moves to get us over the hump next year.
But really, blaming the game on that is like blaming the 2003 NLCS on Bartman. The Indians had their chances this series and even in Game Seven and just blew it. I feel for Pos and Indians fans.
This made me laugh.
Has Skinner done a poor job through the regular season as well? I know as a Sox fan I hated Dale Sveum as a 3B coach because he made so many poor decisions. The difference between Sveum and Hale has been remarkable.
just like bartman wouldn't have mattered one bit if alex gonzalez hadn't booted that easy DP ball etc
I don't get all the criticism he's been getting. Yes, it was a horribly timed DP, but he hit the ball sharply and, well, when you hit sharply hit grounders to infielders with a guy on first, double plays result. It isn't some special skill or talent to hit double plays - you just need to hit a grounder with a man on.
Joel Skinner: Yes Superintendent Chalmers!
Superintendent Chalmers: Why didn't you send Kenny Lofton on that Franklin Gutierrez double?
Joel Skinner: Um....Aurora Borealis?
Superintendent Chalmers: Aurora Borealis? At this time of year? At this time of night? In this part of the country? Localized entirely in Fenway Park?
Joel Skinner: Yes.
Superintendent Chalmers: May I see it?
Joel Skinner: No.
Is there a resource that has historic SB/CS data for catchers?
Yes
The Fox suits paid Skinner off to hold Lofton up, big time. Duh.
I'm not sure Blake deserves as much of the blame as he's been getting for that pop-up where he collided with Peralta. Peralta is supposed to take charge and decide who's getting a pop-up among the infielders in that case, and he overran the ball to run into Blake (Who was in no position to catch the ball at all) before he dropped it.
Way ahead of you, bads85.
Completely right. Moreover, this wasn't just any run: this was the tying run in the 7th inning of an elimination game on the road.
And the Red Sox would have to execute a throw-and-tag to get him. And even if he's out, you'd still have the tying run at second with two outs.
Indefensible. At the time I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
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Interesting. Skinner threw out almost as high a percentage of base-stealers as Ted Simmons (33.6% vs. 33.9%).
Looks like it was Simmons' huge quantity of passed balls that earned the defensive rap that kept him out of the Hall of Fame... because when a catcher hits like he did and throws out 40%+ of basestealers as he did in '71, '73 and '76, there has to be something (besides the enormous shadow cast by Johnny Bench) keeping him from getting even 5% of the ballots and thus dropping off after his first year of eligibility....
In IRC we were witnessing a Wikipedia war over Skinner's entry. Distraught Indians fans were editing the thing in real-time to bash the guy. Page seems reverted back to normal today, but at the time it was surreal.
Of course the chatterers were as gobsmacked as Poz was by the Lofton hold-up.
That, and the fact that he is one of the coolest guys you could ever meet. I feel awful for him (and yes, I was complaining about that play in chatter too).
I doubt that 2% of the Hall Of Fame voters have an idea about his passed ball record. Though I'm sure they don't hold his defense in high esteem.
Simmons isn't in because there were a large number of good catchers while he was playing and the team he played for at his peak didn't win anything. Plus the same team won both not long before and not long after his tenure.
Simmons isn't in because there were a large number of good catchers while he was playing and the team he played for at his peak didn't win anything. Plus the same team won both not long before and not long after his tenure.
Yes, and another thing was that he had a reputation among writers at the time (and management) as being kind of a loose cannon. Joe Torre described him as a "flower child" when he first came up with the Cardinals. I think writers at the time didn't take his achievements as seriously as they might have if he'd displayed the more predictable macho/jock personality.
To be fair, half of those reverts were me, just for my own amusement while in IRC. I enjoyed what the Indians fans were writing and felt it deserved a brief moment of notoriety.
Simmons caught a lot of #### for his hair at the time (I'm looking down that evil hole of swirling flames at you Dick Young)...unfortunato, Simmons somehow had his hair CATCH ON FIRE and said he'd never grow it long again.
Now that is gold. Not being from NYC, I've never really read Young, but everyone I've ever heard comment on him (including Klapisch and Harper in The Worst Team Money Could Buy) has said he is a petty, evil, jerk of a human being.
This overdoes it.
Young had his faults, by all means. The brilliant Ron Briley presented a brilliant portrait of Young in the Nine conference a couple of years ago that put him proper perspective: yes, he was wrong-headed and overbearing in many ways, but when you understand where he came from, an orphan from abject poverty, scared and lonely and insecure -- I don't know, you don't like Young exactly, but you have empathy for him.
Dick Young grew up poor and from a broken home in New York City, but he wasn't an orphan. After he graduated from high school, he moved to Los Angeles to live with his dad, who was working as a cameraman in Hollywood, and to try to attend UCLA. He later went back to New York to work with the CCC in the Finger Lakes area, at which point his mom was still alive (I have a record of her sending him a letter from NYC). I don't know how long either of his parents lived, but they were both alive into Young's adulthood.
Then I stand corrected on that detail. But his was anything but a happy and secure upbringing, as far as I understand it.
This is Example A to remember the next time says it's only big-market teams who think they can dump their leftovers on someone else for a legitimately useful player.
More of an explanation than an excuse. Many people end up O.K. despite their disadvantages.
my objection to Dick Young was NOT that he was an egotistical, overbearing, grade A asshat--it's that he was a ####### liar (in print, that is)
for a columnist or reporter, that's inexcusable
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