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Joe Posnanski: Royals leading Santana race?

KANSAS CITY — Kansas City Royals general manager Dayton Moore on Wednesday did not deny that his team is very close to completing a trade for Minnesota Twins ace Johan Santana.

“That’s a ridiculous question,” he said, when asked why his team just didn’t go out and trade for Santana.

Over the last few weeks, several teams — in particular the New York Yankees, Mets and Boston Red Sox — have been rumored to be close to acquiring Santana, so it would be quite a coup for the “small-market” Royals to beat them to the bunch. As one scout who would prefer to remain anonymous said on Tuesday when first told about this potential Santana-to-the-Royals trade, “Are you drinking and taking medication at the same time?”

I’m flat sick and tired of going on Baseball Think Factory or one of the other baseball Web sites every other day and reading some headline that says: “Red Sox Back in Santana Derby,” or “Don’t Count Out Yankees In Race For Santana” or “Mets Take Santana Lead.” First off, you can’t take a “lead” when it comes to a trade. This isn’t NASCAR. You don’t get points for leading a lap. Some team may trade for Santana, or maybe not, but one thing is certain: There won’t be a second place.

It’s meta-meta-BTF-blogging!

Baseballing powerhouse Crispix Attacks Posted: January 24, 2008 at 12:01 PM | 38 comment(s)
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1. Joe C isn't Posted: January 24, 2008 at 03:51 PM (#2675551)

He's the best.

2. sunnyday2 Posted: January 24, 2008 at 03:52 PM (#2675553)

Well, if he's bashing us for having these links on here...what must he think about those of his peers who actually produce the material in the first place? Hey Joe, name some real names.

3. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: January 24, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2675556)

“Are you drinking and taking medication at the same time?”

He makes it sound like that's a bad thing.

4. BaseballDIY Posted: January 24, 2008 at 03:54 PM (#2675557)

Hi Joe!

5. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's! Posted: January 24, 2008 at 03:55 PM (#2675559)

I've already made plans to get up early and watch the A's-Red Sox in Japan before work. Hopefully I can find a real bar showing the game, but, if not, I'll end up at ESPN Zone on Times Square. It should be Beckett V. Blanton, but I guess Dice-K will get the start for obvious reasons. How many freakin days?

6. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2008 at 03:57 PM (#2675562)

Its about time. I've been calling for the Royals to trade for Santana for weeks! A package of Jimmy Gobble, Jason Smith, Brandon Duckworth, Shane Costa and Chris Lubanski should do it.

7. BaseballDIY Posted: January 24, 2008 at 04:07 PM (#2675571)

Chris Lubanski is the next Tom Brunansky.

8. Judges 20:16 (the Lord's bullpen) Posted: January 24, 2008 at 04:23 PM (#2675576)

Chris Lubanski is the next Tom Brunansky.

Number of World Series the Twins won with Tom Brunansky: 1
Number they've won with Johan Santana: 0

Moral: Chris Lubanski would be infinite percent more valuable for the Twins than Johan Santana is.

9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 24, 2008 at 04:40 PM (#2675596)

"I’m saying they are more likely to pick up Carlos Santana or Johann Sebastian Bach or some other play off the guy’s name."

Having Johann Sebastian Bach on hand to play the organ at your ballpark would be a license to print money.

10. Edmundo, survivor of 7 right-sourcings Posted: January 24, 2008 at 04:46 PM (#2675600)

Having Johann Sebastian Bach on hand to play the organ at your ballpark would be a license to print money.

For a one-time only show, I could talk my wife into 2 seats at up to 5K per, I think. Somehow I don't think my offer would be in the ballpark.
Bill and Ted would have to be the hosts.

11. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Tokyo Posted: January 24, 2008 at 04:52 PM (#2675606)

I hope he plays that "Charge!" song. I love that.

12. In what respect, Craig K? Posted: January 24, 2008 at 04:54 PM (#2675611)

I severely doubt the Twins are dumb enough to trade Santana interdivision.

Probably just using this as leverage to get more from the Yankees/Mets/Red Sox.

13. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:12 PM (#2675622)

When was the last time there was an intradivision trade of any significance? Babe Ruth?

14. The Bones McCoy of THT ... of DOOM! Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:13 PM (#2675625)

Having Johann Sebastian Bach on hand to play the organ at your ballpark would be a license to print money.

It didn't do the Mets much good when they had David Cone.

Best Regards

John

15. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:18 PM (#2675629)

When was the last time there was an intradivision trade of any significance? Babe Ruth?

What, you don't count Mike Stanley?

Kevin Milwood was considered significant at the time.

16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:18 PM (#2675630)

"It didn't do the Mets much good when they had David Cone."

A well-tempered clavier makes all the difference in the world.

17. The Bones McCoy of THT ... of DOOM! Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:20 PM (#2675633)

When was the last time there was an intradivision trade of any significance? Babe Ruth?

Jays trading Clemens to the Yankees.

Best Regards

John

18. Dan Evensen Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:21 PM (#2675634)

Well, if he's bashing us for having these links on here...what must he think about those of his peers who actually produce the material in the first place?

Umm, I think that was his point. He's criticizing the "XXXX is in the lead for Santana!" articles, not BBTF itself.

Joe's articles kick ass.

19. aleskel Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:26 PM (#2675639)

Having Johann Sebastian Bach on hand to play the organ at your ballpark would be a license to print money.

It didn't do the Mets much good when they had David Cone.

A well-tempered clavier makes all the difference in the world.

okay, I'm completely befuddled by this like of jokes. What am I missing?

EDIT: I'm guessing it has something to do with "organ" and vulgar connotations thereof. Am I on the right track?

20. Robert in Redondo Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:26 PM (#2675640)

When was the last time there was an intradivision trade of any significance? Babe Ruth?

Mike Piazza for Preston Wilson?

21. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:33 PM (#2675644)

Jays trading Clemens to the Yankees.

Of course! I'm having an imagination failure today.

Ouch, that was not a very good trade for Toronto.

22. Nasty Nate Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:34 PM (#2675645)

Marlins trade Delgado to Mets

23. jmurph Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2675657)

Posnanski question for you guys: how is "The Soul of Baseball?" Worth buying? I realize I'm many months late on this. Also, anyone read "Connie Mack and the Early Years of Baseball" by Norman L. Macht?

24. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2675659)

When was the last time there was an intradivision trade of any significance? Babe Ruth?

In 38 years, the Royals and Twins have only made one trade ever - P Tom Burgmeier to Minnesota for a minor leaguer.

25. Tropical Storm Davis, aka Quilvio "Ebola" Veras Posted: January 24, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2675660)

#19, David Cone was observed petting the one-eyed snake in the bullpen during a game at Shea Stadium.

26. Yankee_Redneck Posted: January 24, 2008 at 06:03 PM (#2675667)

#19, David Cone was observed petting the one-eyed snake in the bullpen during a game at Shea Stadium.

So he's like Mickey Mantle, but anti-social?

27. Mike Webber Posted: January 24, 2008 at 06:07 PM (#2675672)

The Soul of Baseball is worth reading - that's too weak really, how about "You have to read it!" would be more accurate.

After reading Uncle Robbie, I'll need a strong recommendation to read the Connie Mack book.

28. jim in providence Posted: January 24, 2008 at 06:19 PM (#2675680)

okay, I'm completely befuddled by this like of jokes. What am I missing?

Google "David Cone masturbating bullpen."

Now there's a sentence I'd never imagined typing.

29. aleskel Posted: January 24, 2008 at 06:26 PM (#2675684)

David Cone was observed petting the one-eyed snake in the bullpen during a game at Shea Stadium

huh, don't know how I'd never heard about that. I knew about the spring training rape charge rumor (Cone even discussed it in the Roger Angell book), and his womanizing reputation, but nothing about flogging the dolphin.

30. jmurph Posted: January 24, 2008 at 06:50 PM (#2675700)

The Soul of Baseball is worth reading - that's too weak really, how about "You have to read it!" would be more accurate.

Thanks

31. Eugene Freedman Posted: January 24, 2008 at 06:56 PM (#2675703)

I’m saying they are more likely to pick up Carlos Santana or Johann Sebastian Bach or some other play off the guy’s name

Since it's tough to get a guy who's centuries dead involved in a trade, what about just Sebastian Bach. He's got a new album out and while not a Johan or Johann, he does have leather pants.

32. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: January 24, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2675705)

Aramis Ramirez?

33. Sam M. Posted: January 24, 2008 at 07:05 PM (#2675706)

Google "David Cone masturbating bullpen."

Now there's a sentence I'd never imagined typing.

Well, if things had been just a little different, and that Google search yielded slightly different results, then Randy Myers, Rick Aguilera, Don Aase, Jeff Innis, and Roger McDowell might have been very happy campers. To think, some starting pitchers just buy their relievers a watch or some crap like that . . . .

34. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Tokyo Posted: January 24, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2675734)

Steve Carlton for Rick Wise
Jose Canseco for Jeff Russell, Bobby Witt and Ruben Sierra
Dennis Eckersley for Rick Wise and some other guys

35. BaseballDIY Posted: January 24, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2675735)

When was the last time there was an intradivision trade of any significance? Babe Ruth?

Fernando Vina?

36. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney) Posted: January 24, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2675737)

So is this the Johan rumor thread for the day. How about Ryan Church, Fernando Martinez, Guerra, (Pelfrey, Humber or Mulvey). I read somewhere today. I'd say it;s the best offer the Twins have received s far if true. If I were the Twins GM I'd ask Omar for 2 out of the Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey group and see if Omar would agree.

37. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 24, 2008 at 08:38 PM (#2675745)

Honestly, I don't know why the Royals couldn't compete for Santana on the open market. They're managing to pay Gil Meche and Jose Guillen $23 million a year and 2007 was the only year that Meche and Guillen combined where as valuable as Santana (or anywhere near). Santana's also the youngest of the trio, the one with the best health record, and a lot less of a pain in the ass than 1 of the other 2. Now, they're not really at the stage of the development cycle where they should be cashing in prospects for Santana, but it certainly *is* within their means.

VORP
Year Meche+Guillen Santana
------------------------------------
2007 75 58
2006 11 80
2005 25 73
2004 38 90

38. villageidiom Posted: January 24, 2008 at 11:50 PM (#2675801)

Probably just using this as leverage to get more from the Yankees/Mets/Red Sox.

I think it's more likely that Santana is threatening to go to the Royals in order to get the MN legislature to commit to public funding of a new locker.

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