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Pretty sure they can test the managers for anything. The managers aren't part of a union, so they pretty much have to do what The Man says
But yeah, I find it hard to believe a guy his age just happened to try it out within a few days of a random test.
Washington was a product of the mid 70s Royals farm system...which was a bit notorious for its coke usage back then. I doubt this was his first time.
To get him as far away from your recovering-addict potential star player as you possibly can.
They didn't. Washington told the Rangers before the positive drug test came back, went into rehab/counseling/whatever it was, and the Rangers picked up the option for this year after a month the drug test came back.
So it looks like once a year
Sorry, I was responding to Snapper's comment.
How about the junior manager who fills in the line-up card?
Let's not forget leaving starters in 2 batters too long.
Why not? We all believe that guys like Andy Pettite only try PEDs as a one time thing...right?
Well there goes my theory that Trey Hillman has been managing every game high.
You can't test for huffing.
let's assume guilt and guess which managers are definitely doing the booger sugar.
Ozzie Guillen
Jerry Manuel
Trey Hillman
Joe Girardi
Bruce Bochy
Lou Pineilla
Bobby Cox
I think Francona, Charlie Manuel and Torre are likely clean because of their mellow natures. The other managers are probably users.
Ozzie Guillen
I was suspicious of his performance bump in 2005.
Leo Mazzone
If you think that's a natural mellow.
Dallas/Ft. Worth ain't exactly small.
The initial list (mostly from the Curtis Strong affair): Joaquim Andujar, Dale Berra, Enos Cabell, Keith Hernandez, Jeff Leonard, Dave Parker, Lonnie Smith, Al Holland, Lee Lacy, Larry Sorenson, Claudell Washington, Dusty Baker, Gary Matthews, Tim Raines, Vida Blue, Dickie Noles, Daryl Sconiers, Manny Sarmiento, Derrel Thomas, Alan Wiggins and Rod Scurry.
Hamilton hasn't failed a drug test while in the employ of the Rangers. That's how.
Actually that's very true. Perhaps he won't survive the sh*tstorm if there is one. In NY, I'm sure there would be a huge one.
It is for Rangers baseball.
FWIW, Dallas-Fort Worth is the fifth largest media market in the U.S., trailing only these:
1 New York, Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY- NJ, PA
2 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA
3 Chicago, IL-IN-WI
4 Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE
5 Dallas-Fort Worth, TX
I don't know too much about Dallas, but I sense that it's not really a baseball town. That is not to say that if the Rangers do well, they won't draw. But Mark Cuban takes up a lot of oxygen; and the Dallas Cowboys are really all that matters in pro sports in that region. So while DFW is #5, the Rangers' level of media attention might be closer to #15.
Sorry, I was responding to Snapper's comment.
Ummm, wasn't Hamilton clean by the time Texas aquired him? I didn't say I'd fire someone for being an ex-user.
To get him as far away from your recovering-addict potential star player as you possibly can.
This is a very good point.
Look, if you want to just suspend Washington for a while, and let him go to rehab, fine. Give him a second chance, knowing he's terminated on one more slip-up.
But, you can't have a senior exec of a half-billion $ company doing blow. It's really not conducive to good decision making.
That might explain why Eric Wedge always did that weird twitchy nostril thing during interviews.
Why in the world was this man tested for cocaine use, why in the world was this publicly reported, and why would anyone care if his job performance wasn't impacted?
########. Squeaky-clean losers make poor decisions a million times a day in this country and there's essentially no relationship between casual drug use and decision-making quality.
Not to mention ... have you ever heard of alcohol and hangovers?
Your claim about what we "can't have" execs do is a tautology. America doesn't expect its executives to use casual drugs, therefore we can't have it.
Mind your own business.
Not to mention ... have you ever heard of alcohol and hangovers?
Your claim about what we "can't have" execs do is a tautology. America doesn't expect its executives to use casual drugs, therefore we can't have it.
Mind your own business.
I wouldn't have an alcoholic as my manager either. If he's hungover at 7 PM, he's got big problems.
From what I hear, coke is just a wee bit more addicting than a couple of beers after work. Cocaine is not a "casual drug".
I don't believe a 57 y.o. man in a very public position of authority "just happened" to use coke at a party as a one-off thing, and then got tested that week. If his use was "casual", why would he do it when he knows he is subject to random testing, and could lose his very lucrative job?
He should be canned or be in rehab.
You get banned for life if you put $20 on your team to win, because it ruins the game if people put $20,000 on their team to lose.
But, you can't have a senior exec of a half-billion $ company doing blow.ORLY?
Because if Ron Washington can do a little blow, why can't the second baseman do a lot of blow.
They're both subject to the same punishment. Multiple offenders will face suspensions from the game. Washington is a first-time offender. Lets hope he doesn't become a Steve Howe.
ORLY?
Yeah, and Wall Street is known for its great decision making.
Seriously, if any of you guys owned a business, say a small business, and you found out your #2 exec was doing blow, you'd just laugh it off?
The funniest and the most sensible thing said in this thread.
I wouldn't have an alcoholic as my manager either.
Hmm, there go your future Billy Martins, Tony LaRussas(?), Joe Cronins, Leo Durochers, etc.
It depends on whether the #2 was willing to do what it takes to stay clean.
Right. Not saying you'd absolutely fire him. But, you'd want him to stop.
Billy Martin lost quite a few jobs b/c of his drinking, e.g. Ed Whitson fight, marshmallow salesman, etc.
Only now are we beginning to realize why Tommy Lasorda felt such competitive fury about "that son of a bitch who writes under that Daily News, that fucking guy they call the fucking Nose."
Durocher was a well-known non-drinker. That's probably what gave him the advantage when fleecing people who WERE drinking
"I never denied that I enjoyed it."
Well, crap. For some reason I thought that he was. Dick Williams? Jimmie Foxx? Hal Chase (lots of other good reasons to can him)? Ty Cobb? Pinky Higgins?
I can't find a good list of hard drinking managers. Dang.
Jimmy Foxx I'm pretty sure. I think he was the model for the alcoholic "Jimmy Dugan" in League of their Own.
Right, and I'll predict here and now that Ron Washington won't see Opening Day as the Rangers manager. He's in a leadership position. The public outcry will be too big of a headache for the Rangers.
By the way, players simply can't be compared to managers in this regard, given their vastly different employment situations.
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I'd obviously prefer a non-druggie to a druggie. It'll always catch up with you in the end.
But I think you're greatly underestimating the number of higher-ups who use, when you say that you can't tolerate it. There probably hasn't been the head of a movie studio in the last 30 years who didn't use cocaine, to provide another example.
& don't forget Earl Weaver for your list of alcoholic managers.
I'd care the moment it impacted his performance or duties. Since his duties include being a face of the team I'd care because it has the potential to create a needless controversy. Beyond that I wouldn't care.
I'd certainly want the driver of the team bus tested. The manager, couldn't care less.
And if I was testing for some reason there would be no way I'd release the results (stipulating for the moment I have the right to) unless the topic was why he was being released.
To be clear though, I've had addicts in my life and an awful lot of them were serious problems. It would in no way surprise me to find a coke user becoming a serious problem. I've also known any number of people who were productive while abusing (pick X).
That may well be true. But, if you tolerate it as an owner, you're just asking for trouble.
People can get away with being druggies, or crooks for that matter, in publicly-held corporations b/c of principla-agent issues, and the lack of good oversight. The druggies or crooked CEO stacks management and the board with other crooks or druggies, and no one calls them on it until there's a blow-up. You'd expect a closely held corporation to be smarter.
Now, after RTFA, it seems Washington is approaching this the right way (agreeing to additional voluntary testing, etc.) so maybe you give him a second chance. But, any further screwup, and he has to be long gone.
can't believe no one's mentioned Joe McCarthy
To be clear though, I've had addicts in my life and an awful lot of them were serious problems. It would in no way surprise me to find a coke user becoming a serious problem. I've also known any number of people who were productive while abusing (pick X).
Yeah, but the problem with this is that for most jobs you really can't tell until the damage is done.
My head of product development may still be a visionary genius, even though he comes in at 11 AM half-hungover, and leaves at 4PM to catch happy-hour, but I won't know until my new product lines falls flat on its face, and we lose a ####-load of money.
Not to mention the example it sets for other employees who probably can't excel while being abusers.
Yes. The silly thing about drug testing (I'm talking generally for everyday people; I don't mean the steroids issue) is that one can be the biggest drunk in the world and pass a drug test. I'm concerned about performance - not what someone does when they're away from the office. If X is impacting his or her performance, then, yeah, it's an issue. But it's a performance issue, not a "drug issue" per se.
If I knew he had been using casually for decades and had been great at his job for decades, I don't see why one would rush to fire him.
Lots and lots of people manage to be consistently productive at their jobs despite using recreational drugs on their personal time.
What does it mean to be a 'druggie'? From the mormon perspective, my coffee habit qualifies. Alcohol is probably the worst drug in world history when you consider total destructive impact on human life.
I've never done a single drug in my entire life and want to punch everyone in NYC in the face today, and even I agree with this.
Yeah, the demonization of cocaine going on in this thread is a bit much.
They say it kills you, but they don't say when.
C'mon, Mama, let's rent us a boat.
We'll sail down that Gibraltar moat;
Shed a tear every time we pass Tangiers.
Cocaine, cocaine,
'Round my heart and runnin' 'round my brain,
Cocaine, aw, you ol' cocaine.
Seriously. It's rough out there today.
If you disqualified everyone who did some blow from employment, who'd run the motion picture and recording industries?
She lost her sparkle you know she isn't the same
Livin' on reds, vitamin C and cocaine
All a friend can say is 'Ain't it a shame?'
Well, so much for that.
DB
She lost her sparkle you know she isn't the same
Livin' on reds, vitamin C and cocaine
All a friend can say is 'Ain't it a shame?'
During the Olympics, AT&T (or some similar monolith) had "Perfect Day" as their theme song. I'm still a Lou Reed/Velvets fan but some of the particulars are skipping my memory ... isn't heroin the thing that makes things "perfect" in that song?
DB
Outrageous.
Now horse, that's the people's drug. Different story.
Hmmm... so, I'll say, that puts you in the 42-50 age range? Or did that term last longer than I remember?
Well, he's relapsed at least once on Texas' watch. Moreover, it seems just woefully inconsistent to have on the payroll a guy like Hamilton, who made an absolute wreck of his life and whose recovery may be tenuous, and then deny a second chance to Washington, who at worst seems to be a high-functioning addict. I think you have to give Washington a chance to rehabilitate himself, as the Rangers, to their credit, seem to have done.
To get him as far away from your recovering-addict potential star player as you possibly can.
This is a very good point.
Why is this a good point? Are you expecting Washington to invite Hamilton to coke parties? Or do you think Hamilton will think, "The manager's using coke, so I will too"?
I bet you've been smoking too many marijuana cigarettes.
"Perfect Day" is played while Renton OD's on heroin in Trainspotting, so you may be right...
I always thought it was just a cynical/sardonic/jaded song about an ex-significant other. Either way, I know what commercial you're talking about, and it seemed like an entirely inappropriate choice of music.
I know one in his forties. Really, that was less about you than the fact that I always thing of "horse" as a seventies term for heroin. I'll accept I'm completely mistaken.
Cocaine don't make me lazy
Ain't nobody's business but my own...
The top 10:
1.Health Care Bill
2.Birthers
3.Ron Washington
4.Jerusalem Riots
5.IRS
6.Sandra Bullock
7.Basic Training
8.Carey Mulligan
9.Irish Recipes
10.Blockbuster
I'm sure that if
I took even one sniff
That would bore me terrifically too
Yet I get a kick out of you
I agree with giving him a second chance, especially given the way he came forward before being caught, and is agreeing to additional voluntary testing.
But, one more slip and he's got to be gone.
"No! I love that we can work while we're on cocaine!"
Zack Wheat is 121!
'White Light make me sing like Lou Reed/ White light gonna fulfill my EVERY need!
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