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Wednesday, January 07, 2009

Jonah Keri: Moneyball Comes Full Circle

From Bill Deane to Buddy Deane and back again…

What’s more interesting to me isn’t so much what Giambi will bring to the team as what he represents. When Moneyball came out, those who failed to understand the point of the book ranted and raved about Billy Beane’s lust for guys who walk a lot. They questioned what would happen to the A’s when high-OBP guys stopped being undervalued.

Of course, OBP was never the point. Moneyball provided a snapshot in time of the baseball world and its inefficiencies. At the time that the book came out, OBP was plentiful and cheap (the Red Sox’ signing of David Ortiz, Bill Mueller and Kevin Millar for dryer lint and a couple of buttons being prime examples of this inefficiency back then). Since then, we’ve seen the trend shift numerous times. In the current climate, with analysis of defensive contributions becoming more common and more robust, teams are increasingly targeting well-rounded players who contribute both offensively and with the glove. They have, in turn, heavily discounted big, lumbering dudes who walk a lot, hit home runs, and can’t catch a ball if it dropped on their head during Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Year’s Eve.

Repoz Posted: January 07, 2009 at 08:48 AM | 24 comment(s)
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   1. GregD Posted: January 07, 2009 at 12:43 PM (#3045423)
Every Billy Beane move is innovative and takes advantage of the inefficiencies in a market created by other dimwits and fools, who happen to get lucky during the season and the playoffs. Billy Beane never makes a move for a mundane reason like to fill a roster need. He is not a GM but a theorist.
   2. Shooty Is A One Man Legion Posted: January 07, 2009 at 12:48 PM (#3045427)
Billy Beane never makes a move for a mundane reason like to fill a roster need. He is not a GM but a theorist.

Well, Emil Brown and Mike Sweeney were certainly inefficient.
   3. Guapo Posted: January 07, 2009 at 01:02 PM (#3045449)
They have, in turn, heavily discounted big, lumbering dudes who walk a lot, hit home runs, and can’t catch a ball if it dropped on their head during Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Year’s Eve.

Jeez, I don't think Willie Mays in his prime could have caught a ball if it dropped on his head during Dick Clark's Rockin' New Year's Eve.

Is he referring to the giant ball? If so, I think any player would be lucky to survive having it dropped on his head.

If he's referring to a regular baseball- most players would not expect to have a ball dropped on their head in that situation, particularly during the offseason, and they likely would not be wearing a glove since it is not a game situation. While some might recover in time from the pain and shock to snatch the ball out of the air before it hit the ground, I can't believe that the cumulative fielding percentage in that situation is greater than .005.

In conclusion, I am hungry and want some lunch.
   4. PreservedFish Posted: January 07, 2009 at 01:23 PM (#3045479)
The NYE ball drops so slowly that one could perhaps position oneself, lying supine with arms and legs outstretched, to create a human cradle and hold onto the ball. The ruling on an out would be difficult though, because from such a position it would be difficult to prove that you have "secured possession," and that your eventual release of the ball was "voluntary and intentional," and not due to your death, which would inevitably follow the crushing by a 6 ton weight.
   5. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:01 PM (#3045532)
#4, nicely analyzed, with the proviso that if one were Andruw Jones, one could easily eat the ball, which I would think would be enough to establish possession.

Harrr!

And speaking of Dick Clark, he shouldn't be on the air. It's just sad to see him try to talk, poor guy.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:19 PM (#3045556)
Speaking of New Year's Eve, did anyone else think this year's coverage was atrocious? Not just the Dick Clark unfortunateness, but ABC barely showed the actual ball dropping. I was watching it with my kids, and I'm not sure any of them had any idea what the hell was going on.
   7. Obama Bomaye Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:21 PM (#3045561)
#3-4: For your outstanding work, I offer you gentlemen free tickets to this year's Rockin' New Year's Eve.
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:23 PM (#3045562)
Yeah, God bless him, but someone needs to tell Dick Clark it's time to retire.

Meanwhile, over on CNN, that zany Kathy Griffin said that one of her New Year's resolutions was to get into Miley Cyrus' pants. I kid you not.
   9. DCA Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:26 PM (#3045564)
We had CNN on in the background on NYE. They had the countdown going for hours, then at 50 seconds to go it disappeared from the screen. And they just showed the crowd until a "Happy New Year" icon came up. No ball drop, no final countdown. I'm pretty sure a couple people are getting fired.
   10. Jim Wisinski endorses Ben Zobrist's MVP candidacy Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:27 PM (#3045566)
Michael Lewis should never have written that book.
   11. Styles P. Deadball Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:28 PM (#3045567)
Meanwhile, over on CNN, that zany Kathy Griffin said that one of her New Year's resolutions was to get into Miley Cyrus' pants. I kid you not.


Meh, she went to OPRF HS. I'm not shocked by anything stupid she might say.
   12. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:29 PM (#3045568)
And speaking of Dick Clark, he shouldn't be on the air. It's just sad to see him try to talk, poor guy.


Then unsubscribe from Deja View.

Best Regards

John
   13. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:36 PM (#3045578)
Dick has earned the right to stay on the air as long as he pleases. Hell, at this point it might be the only thing motivating him to hang on year after year. What I could have done without was the audible slurping noises while he smooched what I assume was Mrs. Clark at midnight.

Meanwhile, over on CNN, that zany Kathy Griffin said that one of her New Year's resolutions was to get into Miley Cyrus' pants.


Can you imagine the outcry if a male host had made the same comment whether about Miley or one of the Jonas Brothers?
   14. Shooty Is A One Man Legion Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:38 PM (#3045582)
Can you imagine the outcry if a male host had made the same comment whether about Miley or one of the Jonas Brothers?

The more we ignore Kathy Griffin, the better, no matter what she may do to get our attention.
   15. Jonah Keri Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:48 PM (#3045597)
I was going to make a more obscene ball joke, but figured the slow-moving NYE ball might work. And yeah, clearly human cradle is the way to go.
   16. Obama Bomaye Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:03 PM (#3045618)
that zany Kathy Griffin said that one of her New Year's resolutions was to get into Miley Cyrus' pants.

I wouldn't call it a resolution, per se, but I wouldn't mind doing that myself.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3045837)
"Meanwhile, over on CNN, that zany Kathy Griffin said that one of her New Year's resolutions was to get into Miley Cyrus' pants."

If that's the case, she's going to need to lose some weight. Miley's pretty skinny, even by 16-year-old girl standards, and Kathy's pushing fifty now.

What?
   18. Tim Lincecum doesn't Wang Chung tonite (GGC) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 05:48 PM (#3045841)
Kathy Griffin is the devil.

Speaking of New Year's Eve, did anyone else think this year's coverage was atrocious? Not just the Dick Clark unfortunateness, but ABC barely showed the actual ball dropping. I was watching it with my kids, and I'm not sure any of them had any idea what the hell was going on.


Like last year, I watched Robbie Maddison jump over something in Vegas. What can I say? I loved Evel Knievel as a kid.
   19. AJMacaroni Posted: January 07, 2009 at 05:52 PM (#3045842)
Kathy Griffin said that one of her New Year's resolutions was to get into Miley Cyrus' pants.

Kathy Griffin and I have something in common. Wait, how old is Miley? And more importantly, which one is Miley?
   20. Obama Bomaye Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:23 PM (#3045864)
She's the dirty one.
   21. Repoz Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:47 PM (#3045885)
I haven't seen Dick Clark this shaky...since the Sex Pistols pissed all over American Bandstand.
   22. (Master) Greg K Posted: January 07, 2009 at 07:06 PM (#3045899)
I've been reading "Kathy Griffin" as "Kathy Lee Gifford" this entire thread

...needless to say I was a little confused.
   23. Petunia Posted: January 07, 2009 at 08:06 PM (#3045938)
Can you imagine the outcry if a male host had made the same comment whether about Miley or one of the Jonas Brothers?

Yeah, like when Russell Brand made all those dirty jokes about seducing the Jonas Brothers and introducing them to anal sex at the 2008 MTV Awards. That thread here at BTF was like 700+ posts long.
   24. Obama Bomaye Posted: January 07, 2009 at 08:35 PM (#3045957)
I heard Miley and her strap-on already introduced the Jonas Bros to anal sex.
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