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Monday, February 18, 2008
Joe Posnanski and Bill James, does it get any sweeter! Ok, ok...so the Cutter Buck Eeeewing shirt has to go.
He wrote about baseball, but in a different way. He was an outsider, and he embraced that role. He wrote sacrilegious things, wrote batting average was no way to measure a hitter, wrote that ballparks could make a break or a player’s numbers, wrote that counting errors was a pretty pointless way to measure a guy’s defense. At the time the stuff was so different from what was in the papers and on television that many people took to mocking Bill James. That was OK. He mocked back. He was better at it.
Over time, of course, people began to realize that most of what Bill was saying was true — or at least a lot more true than the conventional wisdom. Batting average is, in fact, a ridiculously flawed statistic because it doesn’t bother to count walks. Ballparks, as anyone who watched Neifi Perez hit .321 at Coors Field, do have huge effects on ballplayers’ numbers. And you cannot judge a fielder by his errors anymore than you can judge a pitcher by his wild pitches.
...This is the age of questions, and Bill had a lot to do with that. Bill is 58, and he hasn’t stopped asking questions either or writing about what interests him. He has a new book called The Bill James Gold Mine 2008 with a bunch of statistics and essays and stuff. He has a Web site ( www.billjamesonline.net) with a lot of great stuff. And every so often — quite often — he will just send an e-mail to a friend asking whether the 1999 Kansas City Royals had the best young outfield ever.
Repoz
Posted: February 18, 2008 at 01:23 AM | 32 comment(s)
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As much as we all like to rib Rob Neyer, he does hold an extremely important place in sports writing. Rob was one of the first (maybe the first) sabermetric guys who wrote for the mainstream media. And not any mainstream media - ESPN! He took James' theories (and others) and landed them in a column read by millions. His simple writing style made these theories accessible for many. For the first time OPS was talked about everyday.
It's too bad his work is now PPV - I miss his column.
Actually James has a web site that isn't launched yet and promises to charge $3.00 a month. Nothing wrong with that, but Poz might have mentioned it.
I hate it when people like Bill James and Albert Belle ruin baseball on purpose
From the article:
(young meaning 25 years old or younger)
McIntyre and Crawford were 26 when Cobb came up. Speaker-Hooper-Lewis would qualify however.
#10 - there was a post a b-ref's Stat of the Day blog a few weeks ago about the most PA for a player with an OPS+ from 99-101. From memory, Bill Buckner was the winner. WOuld that make him teh most common?
your memory is correct
1 Bill Buckner 10033 99
2 Pee Wee Reese 9470 99
3 Tony Fernandez 8793 101
4 Jay Bell 8525 101
5 Lloyd Waner 8326 99
6 Willie McGee 8188 100
7 Charlie Jamieson 7488 101
8 Bret Boone 7432 101
9 Gee Walker 7211 99
10 Tommy Harper 7164 101
WOuld that make him teh most common?
it would certainly make him the most averagest
What would he have had to hit in those seasons to raise his career OPS+ above 101?
I think not, because most players who lasted as long as him would be much better.
...checking...
Indeed, Buckner's most similar player is Mickey Vernon at only 880, so I doubt he shows up on many others' comp lists.
Better would be someone near the historical means of AVG, OBP, and SLG.
You can't have someone with too short a career. Even if he has a lot of close comps, say above 950, slight differences in stats will make bigger differences in the sim score, so he's not necessarily the among the closest comp to all of them.
Long career players tend to differentiate themselves, so they don't have as many close comps.
Maybe someone like John Lowenstein, with 4000 career PA, .253/.337/.403, 116 HR, 441 RBI, and top 10 sim scores ranging from 951 to 931.
But how do you determine how many comp lists Lowenstein himself is on? No easy way to do it except going through possibilities one-by-one, as far as I know. I don't have time for that now, but surely someone does.
Lowenstein is on 6 of his comps' lists, so he has at least 6. But I would think the most common guy would be on more of his own comps' lists.
Altman's got the most top spots in my lists. He may not be the most common. It'll take a little bit longer to find the most common across all 10 spots.
Shanty Hogan's #3 comp is Benjie Molina. Perfect! Makes total sense!
But then, Shanty Hogan's #9 comp is Marlon Anderson. Not exactly so comparable.
Jackie Brandt on 38 lists
Other high scorers are:
Kevin McReynolds, 31
George Altman and Frankie Gustine, 29
Are there any other (relatively) current teams who could make a case for best young outfield? I can only think of Arizona -- if they'd kept Quentin, a left-to-right of Quentin, Young and Upton would be pretty ####### tough to beat.
His baseball age for the year was 25, so I think you can call him 25.
How many does Lowenstein show up on in your database, Dan?
We still need someone to go through every single page on B-R to find out who is the most common player there. No one's taken up this challenge yet? It's a holiday, people!
Remember, it's largely counting stats based (even when adjusted for park/era) - so someone with a better career rate-wise, like McReynolds, can look comparable to a lesser hitter with a longer career.
Surprisingly, only 8.
I think my system generates a lot more cross-era comparisons than BR's, so I include a lot larger range of players.
Oh, and this was only for hitters. I'm pretty comfortable with my numbers there, but no so much on the pitchers side.
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