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Thursday, December 13, 2007

Klapisch: Baseball holds its breath for The List to be released

Good, that cheeky “Free John List!” campaign finally worked...because there’s a family in the Bronx that might need some serious cleansing!

Regardless of where the pendulum rests, this will be a sea-change moment in baseball history, particularly in New York. According to one industry official, “several” prominent Yankees will be named by Mitchell in his 2 p.m. news conference in Manhattan. The official, who spoke to a third party who’d seen the final report, predicted, “It’s going to be a rough day in the Bronx” after the identities are made public.

No Mets from the current 40-man roster are named, according to the same source.

Repoz Posted: December 13, 2007 at 05:51 AM | 23 comment(s)
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   1. Belfry Bob Posted: December 13, 2007 at 09:20 AM (#2643519)
As long as Jeter's name isn't on there, the Earth will continue to revolve around the sun.
   2. Red Juice Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:15 AM (#2643557)
Repoz, You beat ESPN by a good 15 minutes!

solid!

edit: and they have the whole staff monitoring ..
   3. Red Juice Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:19 AM (#2643561)
“several” prominent Yankees

anybody else think 'ol Hank might have to be drugged some time today. wouldn't that be hypocritical.

and I was dreading this day ...

what was I thinking, this is going to be great! :)
   4. Ginger Nut Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:25 AM (#2643573)
I didn't pay much attention to this whole Mitchell investigation thing when it got going, since I am pretty tired of hearing about the steroids issue. However, I must admit that I am surprised that it has turned into nothing more than a witch hunt. Was this really the idea from the beginning? Because i just naively assumed that if baseball was appointing some distinguished (at least ostensibly "distinguished") disinterested party to investigate the problem of PED's in the sport, that the objective would be to produce a balanced account of how and why these problems had been created, and propose a logical and workable plan to ameliorate the problems. I would never have guessed in a million years that the Lords of Baseball would have decided that it would be a good idea to hire somebody to conduct a witch hunt that would disgrace many of their biggest stars and smear mud all over their own product.

What exactly is to be gained by this--besides tarnishing the reputations and damaging the careers of countless players based on allegations that they will never be able to refute effectively in the eyes of the public, whatever the truth may be?
   5. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:35 AM (#2643585)
The rumor was that Pettitte and Clemens were on the Jason Grimsley affidavit, so my money is on those two.

This whole thing is a crock of ####, though. George Mitchell will not be getting a cabinet post in a Shooty administration.
   6. shoewizard Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:36 AM (#2643587)
Yeah.....today and it's aftermath are pretty much gonna suck
   7. Buster Olney the Lonely Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:47 AM (#2643602)
mike and mike reporting that a Yankee trainer, Ryan McNamee, told investigators that he supplied Roger Clemens with steroids.
   8. Colin Posted: December 13, 2007 at 10:52 AM (#2643608)
I initially thought that maybe having a December release might soften some of the impact, given the various distractions of this time of year. But after some more thought I figure it's the opposite. It as around this time of year that the John Rocker story broke, I think, and things went crazy. A lot of bored sportswriters + moral high horse witch hunt = insanity.
   9. seeking a clever screen name since 1999 Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:25 AM (#2643651)
what was I thinking, this is going to be great! :)

I have trouble keeping everybody straight around here, so forgive me if I'm mistaken, but you're an Angels fan, right? Prominent members of that 2002 WS winner have already been caught, right? So yeah, go ahead and enjoy the day.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:28 AM (#2643654)
No Mets from the current 40-man roster are named, according to the same source.


petey is clean!
   11. Foster Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:37 AM (#2643669)
This is going to be horrible.
   12. aleskel Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:39 AM (#2643673)
feh, considering the report is apparently going to have the names of MVPs, All-Stars, Nobel Laureates, etc., I don't think the Yankees are going to get the worst of it. Its the quality of the names that's going to matter, not the volume.
   13. Baseballing powerhouse Crispix Attacks Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:41 AM (#2643677)
Ginger Nut gets it exactly right.

Why is MLB doing this? Do they think the "good name" of the team owners is more important than the good name of the players? Are they planning to stop playing actual games and just live off nostalgia?
   14. Darren Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:47 AM (#2643694)
ouch.
   15. Red Juice Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:50 AM (#2643701)
Why is MLB doing this?


"I [commissioned the report] when everybody was telling me not to," Selig said Wednesday from his office in Milwaukee. "The union absolutely hated it. My own staff didn't like it. Nobody wanted to do it" .. .. "I haven't seen the report yet, but I'm proud I did it," Selig said. "People can say Bud was just trying to cover his butt or take care of his legacy or whatever. I say [bleep] it. This needed to be done, and now we've done it. I'm just happy it will be out there and we can move on. I'm proud of it."

he sounds .. .. .. proud?
   16. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:54 AM (#2643711)
What exactly is to be gained by this--besides tarnishing the reputations and damaging the careers of countless players based on allegations that they will never be able to refute effectively in the eyes of the public, whatever the truth may be?
Analysis that relies of a theory of power can risk circularity - because someone did X, it was intended to improve their standing in a game of power - but I think it usually applies very well to MLB.

If the owners commissioned it, its intended effect is to weaken the bargaining position of the players' union.

One can hope that this report is a little more complex than that, but my hopes are not high.
   17. Russ Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:56 AM (#2643716)
I say [bleep] it.


Selig dropped an F-bomb? Seriously?
   18. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:58 AM (#2643724)
I say [bleep] it.

Selig dropped an F-bomb? Seriously?



yeah--he said "forget"

"I haven't seen the report yet, but I'm proud I did it," Selig said.

in "I'm Glad You Didn't Take it Personally", Bouton was recounting the reactions to Ball Four, and one player said "I never read it; I hated it"
   19. Paul M is filibustering vigilantly Posted: December 13, 2007 at 11:59 AM (#2643728)
Selig dropped an F-bomb? Seriously?


Look, if you had been talking about this issue for months on end, you'd be dropping F-bomba left and right. I know I would be, especially if were the Commish.
   20. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: December 13, 2007 at 12:03 PM (#2643734)
Is there any chance Roger Dorn, Jake Taylor or Eddie Harris are on the list?

I hope not, that was my favorite Indians team
   21. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: December 13, 2007 at 12:04 PM (#2643739)
petey is clean!

The man has weighed 170 pounds or less for most of his career. I sure hope he wasn't on steroids.

If Clemens is in fact on "the list", it is going to be interesting to see how the public reacts. He has had a career that is every bit as great as Bonds. I personally don't really care about the steroid issue. I am intrigued by the public's reaction to it.
   22. Chris Dial Posted: December 13, 2007 at 12:12 PM (#2643767)
Why is MLB doing this? Do they think the "good name" of the team owners is more important than the good name of the players? Are they planning to stop playing actual games and just live off nostalgia?

They are doing this to restore Bonds' good name. Once this list comes out, and everyone has to know that it isn't comprehensive, then people hwo think Bonds (and McGwire) shouldn't be in teh HOF will get to see that no one will be getting in the HOF.

It'll be delightful.
   23. BeanoCook Posted: December 13, 2007 at 12:28 PM (#2643833)
I didn't pay much attention to this whole Mitchell investigation thing when it got going, since I am pretty tired of hearing about the steroids issue. However, I must admit that I am surprised that it has turned into nothing more than a witch hunt. Was this really the idea from the beginning? Because i just naively assumed that if baseball was appointing some distinguished (at least ostensibly "distinguished") disinterested party to investigate the problem of PED's in the sport, that the objective would be to produce a balanced account of how and why these problems had been created, and propose a logical and workable plan to ameliorate the problems. I would never have guessed in a million years that the Lords of Baseball would have decided that it would be a good idea to hire somebody to conduct a witch hunt that would disgrace many of their biggest stars and smear mud all over their own product.

What exactly is to be gained by this--besides tarnishing the reputations and damaging the careers of countless players based on allegations that they will never be able to refute effectively in the eyes of the public, whatever the truth may be?


The fact is, the Mitchell report is over 400 pages and you can bet it contains more than names. But the media will ensure we only get names and smear.

MLB would have spent the $60 million better had it done an unauthorized report on steroids and PEDs in the NFL. That would have been funny and shocking.
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