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Wednesday, January 07, 2009

Klapisch: Infield of dreams

Giambi’s athleticism was so dismal, he simply stopped trying after a while. The Yankees eventually turned a desperate gaze to Wilson Betemit, Shelly Duncan and Richie Sexson. The yearlong experiment was a failure: The phalanx of Yankee first baseman combined for a -5.2 UZR (ultimate zone rating), which was the third-worst in baseball last year.

Teixeira, by contrast, finished 2008 with a UZR of 11.7 – tops among major league first basemen. This metric is a growing favorite in the sabermetric community, its basic purpose to measure the number of runs above or below average a fielder is, based on his ability to get to balls in his vicinity.

Of course, it doesn’t take detailed data to grasp how the Yankees will benefit from a first baseman who, like Mattingly and Keith Hernandez from an earlier era, makes his infielders more proficient.

Specifically, that means A-Rod, whose sidearm delivery often creates a “drift” in his throws to first base, usually into the path of the oncoming runner. Even the normally steady Derek Jeter suffered throwing lapses last year, pulling Giambi off the bag for no apparent reason. Starting next month in Tampa, the shortstop will be heartened to know that it’s Teixeira, not Giambi, on the other end of those patented spin throws from deep in the hole.

Paid Teixeira on his tiptoed feet
Pulling Teixeira from the bag

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   1. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:19 PM (#3045241)
It's an interesting column, because I always thought that Giambi's lone strength at first base was his hands. He had marginal range (at best) and threw like a blind girl but if he could get to a ball, he'd usually catch it. That doesn't change the fact that Teixeira is a huge defensive upgrade, of course.

(Also bizarre is the idea that the Yankees gave up on Giambi playing 1B, he played 25 games in September, and all but four of them came at 1B.)
   2. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:22 PM (#3045243)
(Also bizarre is the idea that the Yankees gave up on Giambi playing 1B, he played 25 games in September, and all but four of them came at 1B.)

Oh you and your facts! Knock it off. (Yeah, Giambi has good hands and he's excellent at picking throws off the dirt. It's something, at least.)
   3. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:52 PM (#3045267)
Shooty! You were involved in the publishing industry?
   4. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:55 PM (#3045271)
Shooty! You were involved in the publishing industry?

Nope. Is this in reference to my post about Will Carroll?
   5. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:05 PM (#3045276)
Yeah. It is.
   6. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:14 PM (#3045288)
Yeah. It is.

I'm not in publishing, but I had a roommate who was an editor at a very, very large publishing company. I have a background in writing and we talked a lot about books. At one point he was hard up for good book ideas--it's actually harder to find books that editors think the public will buy than you might think--and I floated the idea of a book about the burgeoning steroids controversy, particularly in regards to baseball. He then asked me if I had any recommendations on who to commission for the book and I recommended Carroll. I'd been reading B-Pro for about 6 months at that time and Carroll had an almost daily column about the controversy. My roommate liked the idea and wanted to run with it, but it turned out Carroll had already signed with another publishing house for a book about steroids. Carroll isn't perfect, obviously (I don't actually read him anymore, though I still like B-Pro), but I do admire his energy and that he's created a niche for himself. He's like the Mel Kiper of baseball. Actually, he's exactly the Mel Kiper of baseball except I have no idea what he looks like. I hope he has similar hair to Mel.
   7. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:15 PM (#3045291)
I hope he has similar hair to Mel.


He would, if only Mel lost one of those "Okay, the loser has to shave his head" kind of bets.
   8. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:15 PM (#3045292)
Actually, he's exactly the Mel Kiper of baseball except I have no idea what he looks like. I hope he has similar hair to Mel.
He looks like a slightly heavier Willie Garson.
   9. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:17 PM (#3045294)
I hope he has similar hair to Mel.


The televangilist cut? You'll be disappointed. IIRC, Kiper worked for the Colts at one point, but (assuming I got the origin story right) he got his start as a college kid in his mom's basement.

I'd be interested in what baseball books are in demand from these houses. It seems like historical New York-centric ones are. Witness Josh Prager and Jonathan Eig.
   10. RJ in TO Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:20 PM (#3045299)
Actually, he's exactly the Mel Kiper of baseball except I have no idea what he looks like.


I've only met him once, but my initial impression was that he looks roughly like an albino bowling ball.
   11. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:20 PM (#3045300)
He looks like a slightly heavier Willie Garson.

Who the hell is Willie Garson?

I'd be interested in what baseball books are in demand from these houses. It seems like historical New York-centric ones are. Witness Josh Prager and Jonathan Eig.

I have no idea. My wild-assed guess would be topical/scandal books or boomer nostalgia written in purple prose about how life was better back then and baseball was a reflection of our lost purity... I wish someone would commission me to write a book about Troy Neel.
   12. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:22 PM (#3045302)
I've only met him once, but my initial impression was that he looks roughly like an albino bowling ball.

You guys are destroying my fantasy life.
   13. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:24 PM (#3045305)
Who the hell is Willie Garson?
He's an actor, most famous for Sex and the City, which I just assume any man of dating age has seen at least a few times, in the same way most women have seen at leat part of a sports game.
   14. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:24 PM (#3045306)
Troy Neel! For a parsec I thought that was one of Matt Welch's buddies. Then I realized he was an A.
   15. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:30 PM (#3045312)
He's an actor, most famous for Sex and the City, which I just assume any man of dating age has seen at least a few times, in the same way most women have seen at leat part of a sports game.

I've seen the show, but I never paid much attention to it. I know the Northern Exposure guy was on it and I like him ok. The women horrified me.
   16. RJ in TO Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:34 PM (#3045318)
I've seen the show, but I never paid much attention to it. I know the Northern Exposure guy was on it and I like him ok. The women horrified me.


It's one of my three most hated shows in the history of TV. The other two are "Dawsons Creek" and "Party of Five". "Gossip Girl" is quickly moving up the charts, however, as I continually have to stifle the urge to throw the remote through the TV every time I pass by it while channel surfing.
   17. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:36 PM (#3045319)
He's an actor, most famous for Sex and the City, which I just assume any man of dating age has seen at least a few times, in the same way most women have seen at leat part of a sports game.


Thanks for making me feel like even less of a ladies man. I have seen it a few times, but I don't recall any Will Carroll looking character in it.
   18. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:37 PM (#3045320)
"Gossip Girl" is quickly moving up the charts, however, as I continually have to stifle the urge to throw the remote through the TV every time I pass by it while channel surfing.
I happen to (embrassingly girly confession ahead) like Gossip Girl, but I can't understand how shows like that prompt such loathing. They are vapid and empty, but at least they're in on their own joke. I have much less tolerance for the pretentious claptrap of things like John from Cincinnati.

(Which, it appears, also featured Willie Garson. Small world.)
   19. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:39 PM (#3045323)
he's exactly the Mel Kiper of baseball except I have no idea what he looks like.

here's a pic
   20. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:40 PM (#3045324)
Since I've now raised, this topic:

Willie Garson

Will Carroll
   21. RJ in TO Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:41 PM (#3045326)
I happen to (embrassingly girly confession ahead) like Gossip Girl, but I can't understand how shows like that prompt such loathing. They are vapid and empty, but at least they're in on their own joke.


It's one of those shows where I just find every character to be unpleasant. Basically, since I can't find anyone on the show who even appears to be a slightly sympathetic character, it just irritates the hell out of me - I'm just not good at dealing with "empty and vapid" people in any medium. It's one of the many reasons that I can't stand "Sex and the City" either.
   22. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:42 PM (#3045328)
I have much less tolerance the pretentious claptrap of things like John from Cincinnati.

That was possibly the most baffling and grating show I have ever seen. I watched the first 6 episodes before I gave up. I kept thinking that maybe they were doing something so ambitious, I just wasn't getting it and so I gave them a lot of rope. The problem was every single character annoyed the hell out of me and I just had to give it up. The faux Elizabethan claptrap coming from the three wisemen or whatever they were supposed to be pushed me close to a fury.

In happier news, The Life and Times of Tim is awesome and I highly recommend it.
   23. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:42 PM (#3045329)
I'm just not good at dealing with "empty and vapid" people in any medium.

And yet you spend time here!
   24. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:43 PM (#3045330)
Giambi’s athleticism was so dismal, he simply stopped trying after a while.

His athleticism certainly is dismal, but he never stopped trying. I personally watched him take a hundred ground balls a day in ST, working on turning the 3-6-3.

Teixeira, by contrast, finished 2008 with a UZR of 11.7 – tops among major league first basemen. This metric is a growing favorite in the sabermetric community...

Yes, and most in the sabermetric community understand the limitations of looking at a single season's worth of data. Isn't 2008 is the first time that Teixeira has led in UZR, and hasn't most of the rest of his career been pretty averagish?
   25. RJ in TO Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:45 PM (#3045332)
And yet you spend time here!


Hey, when it comes to avoiding "empty and vapid", this place beats the hell out of most of the sites on the web.
   26. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:45 PM (#3045333)
And yet you spend time here!
Only because I went to check the Giambi signs with A's/Will Brewers contend in 2009 thread do I not owe Shooty a Coke for that line. Incidentally, you had a lot more patience with John... than I ever did, I think I lasted about two and a quarter episodes. How you could create something as remarkable as Deadwood and simultaneously think that was a good idea, I will never know.

Fair enough on Gossip Girl, it's certainly not for everyone. Although I would argue that muted, one can at least appreciate the aesthetics.
   27. NJ is feeling better Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:46 PM (#3045335)
"Gossip Girl" is awesome. Solid first season, and really hitting its stride in the second season. Please refrain from trashing it.
   28. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:51 PM (#3045341)
I happen to (embrassingly girly confession ahead) like Gossip Girl,

That's getting brought up loudly next time we're in a bar.

"Gossip Girl" is awesome. Solid first season, and really hitting its stride in the second season. Please refrain from trashing it.

Oh man, you too?
   29. Yankee Redneck is a Pinhead. Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:57 PM (#3045348)
That was possibly the most baffling and grating show I have ever seen. I watched the first 6 episodes before I gave up. I kept thinking that maybe they were doing something so ambitious, I just wasn't getting it and so I gave them a lot of rope.

I actually sat through every episode even though I realized halfway through the season that the series was an incoherent miasma of half-baked ideas. They canned "Deadwood" so David Milch could work on this crap?

Everyone associated with that show has earned my eternal enmity - including Zippy the Parakeet.
   30. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:58 PM (#3045351)
Eric Neel. That's Matt Welch's buddy. I was wondering why he deserved a bio.
   31. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:08 PM (#3045375)
Eric Neel. That's Matt Welch's buddy. I was wondering why he deserved a bio.

I can believe you would wonder about that. With Troy Neel, I'd rather do a quasi bio/novel so I could take some liberties with the material. Also, I'd love to write a book about the first two black players to play in Japan--Johnny Britton and Jimmy Newberry. That's got a lot to offer. Black baseball stars who suddenly found themselves "owned" by white baseball teams and were then shuttled off to post-war Japan. That would be a fun book to write but I know very little about Japan so it intimidates the hell out of me.
   32. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:09 PM (#3045376)
That's getting brought up loudly next time we're in a bar.

Oh man, you too?
Ha! To paraphrase GG herself, You Know You Love It.

Speaking of bars, next week work for you?
   33. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:11 PM (#3045378)
In happier news, The Life and Times of Tim is awesome and I highly recommend it.

That show is freaking amazing!

Speaking of bars, next week work for you?

Why yes, yes it does. Name the day.
   34. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:13 PM (#3045383)
That show is freaking amazing!

Tim: You have to acknowledge the irony that I've been mugged twice today and now I'm the one being arrested.

Cop: For me to ACKNOWLEDGE the IRONY I would have to learn two new words today. Not going to happen.
   35. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:22 PM (#3045393)
Why yes, yes it does. Name the day.
Wednesday work?
   36. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:35 PM (#3045410)
Wednesday work?

Sure does.
   37. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 05:00 PM (#3045445)
Black baseball stars who suddenly found themselves "owned" by white baseball teams and were then shuttled off to post-war Japan. That would be a fun book to write but I know very little about Japan so it intimidates the hell out of me.


In the 60's Bill Veeck wrote that they had no reserve clause. That sounds like one of those books that MacFarland would publish but would sell only a limited amount of copies.
   38. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 05:05 PM (#3045452)
Sure does.
Excellent.
   39. Steve Posted: January 07, 2009 at 05:06 PM (#3045456)
"it doesn’t take detailed data to grasp how the Yankees will benefit from a first baseman who, like Mattingly and Keith Hernandez from an earlier era, makes his infielders more proficient."

Is there actual evidence that a good fielding first baseman makes the rest of the infield better? This question came up last spring in my strat league and we never did come to a conclusion. (Not saying that many vehement opinions were not voiced.)
   40. Walt Davis Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:21 PM (#3045560)
Is there actual evidence that a good fielding first baseman makes the rest of the infield better?

In general, no they don't. However, I will. I am such a slick-fielder, a scooper non-pareil, that I guarantee to reduce your infield's throwing errors by 50%.*

And this miracle cure will only cost you $1.5 million (guaranteed!). C'mon people, that's Carl Pavano money and I'm not even gonna ask for incentives clauses. Shoot, I'll probably even settle for $1.5 million NZ per year if it's a multi-year contract.

And that's not all! Sign me before midnight Friday and you will receive, at no extra charge (OK, $400,000), Andruw Jones!

*guarantee not valid in any of the 50 states or Canada.
   41. RJ in TO Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:27 PM (#3045565)
Is there actual evidence that a good fielding first baseman makes the rest of the infield better?


I seem to remember a BP article (possibly not actually BP) discussing how significantly infield errors rates dropped whenever John Olerud joined a team, and spiked whenever he left a team. Given that a big chunk of IF errors are on throws, a good scooping 1B, or one with a long reach, would create the illusion of improved defense among the other members of the infield.
   42. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:32 PM (#3045573)
Can I get girly-man points for being a big fan of Project Runway?
   43. RJ in TO Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:34 PM (#3045574)
Can I get girly-man points for being a big fan of Project Runway?


If by "girly-man points" you mean "taunted mercilessly", then the answer is "yes".
   44. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:36 PM (#3045579)
Can I get girly-man points for being a big fan of Project Runway?

I watch that with my girl and I enjoy it when they show them working. I'm also pretty good at picking the winners. I don't care much for the "drama" they try to create on these reality shows. I'm more interested in the process of creation and the skill involved.
   45. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:44 PM (#3045591)
I never got into Project Runway, or it's cousin, Top Model. I did enjoy the Make Me a Supermodel that was on in London when I lived there, but that was based largely on the relaxed view towards female nudity British programming has.
   46. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:47 PM (#3045596)
I watch that with my girl and I enjoy it when they show them working. I'm also pretty good at picking the winners. I don't care much for the "drama" they try to create on these reality shows. I'm more interested in the process of creation and the skill involved.


I feel the same way and that's probably why I like that show and have such a lack of interest in a lot of similar shows. Although they do try to create/focus on drama in Runway it just isn't there nearly to the extent in other reality shows/competitions. It makes for fewer annoying stretches in the show.

If by "girly-man points" you mean "taunted mercilessly", then the answer is "yes".


Great!
   47. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:51 PM (#3045602)
I did enjoy the Make Me a Supermodel that was on in London when I lived there, but that was based largely on the relaxed view towards female nudity British programming has.


A few times per season on Runway they'll have a shot of one of the models in a thong as she's changing, or her breasts barely covered (or blurred) which are clearly put in there for the sake of the straight guys watching the show.
   48. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 07, 2009 at 07:22 PM (#3045650)
His athleticism certainly is dismal, but he never stopped trying. I personally watched him take a hundred ground balls a day in ST, working on turning the 3-6-3.

Giambi may have been aware of his throwing weakness and willing to work on improving it, but nothing seemed to work for him. Forget about the 3-6-3, just getting the lead runner at 2nd was next to impossible for him. The throw went into left field or was so slow that the runner beat the ball to the bag. As time went on, Giambi made fewer attempts and last season it seemed that he rarely tried any throw other than the underhand lob to the pitcher covering 1st.
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