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Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Klapisch: Sagging Yankees look creaky

Ahh...as Papa John Creaky we were going to record a complete phlegmpunk version of “Old and In the Way”. Never happened, damn OD’s!

So far, Girardi has failed to motivate Cano, whose failure to cover second base in the first inning, when Jeter was handling Scott’s grounder with runners on first and second and two out, forced Jeter into an errant hurry-up throw to Jason Giambi. Clearly, the manager must know Cano is at the epicenter of the Yankees’ crisis, not just at the plate, but in the field, too.

Besides A-Rod, the Bombers don’t have any elite-caliber defender. Cano, though gifted, is turning into a one-dimensional glove who looks flashy only when moving to his right. Damon, already diminished by a poor throwing arm, had an awful night judging balls in the air, looking downright lost as he misplayed Scott’s fly ball in the second inning, costing the Yankees another run.

Of course, the Yankees could change their profile the old-fashioned way by blasting 2-3 home runs a game and conquering the East by superior firepower. At least that’s how they used to do it when everyone was in their prime. But the 2008 Yankees, either too young or too old, make the renaissance years seem like a fading memory now.

Repoz Posted: May 21, 2008 at 09:02 AM | 56 comment(s)
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   1. StHendu Posted: May 21, 2008 at 09:50 AM (#2789310)
Yanks look cranky too. Not mentioned in this article is the dangerous possible retaliation to Jeter's HBP, by L. Hawkins. Jeter gets hit often, because he stands close to the plate and lunges towards the plate. Hawkins threw twice at Luke Scott, the 2nd time right at his head.
Here is one recounting:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.orioles21may21,0,3941625.story
   2. DKDC Posted: May 21, 2008 at 09:56 AM (#2789318)
So far, Girardi has failed to motivate Cano, whose failure to cover second base in the first inning, when Jeter was handling Scott’s grounder with runners on first and second and two out, forced Jeter into an errant hurry-up throw to Jason Giambi.


With two outs and a man on first, Jeter needs to be prepared to make the throw to first or second.

No one would have even noticed that Cano wasn't covering if Jeter did his job.

In fact, they still wouldn't have noticed if Jeter hadn't spent the rest of the ininng glaring at Cano to let everyone know the captain wasn't to blame.
   3. Master of the small sample size Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:11 AM (#2789335)
So the reason the Yankee infield defense is bad is because of Cano? Never would have guessed it.
   4. The Good Face Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:16 AM (#2789339)
With two outs and a man on first, Jeter needs to be prepared to make the throw to first or second.

No one would have even noticed that Cano wasn't covering if Jeter did his job.

In fact, they still wouldn't have noticed if Jeter hadn't spent the rest of the ininng glaring at Cano to let everyone know the captain wasn't to blame.


Seriously. This infuriates me, the insinuation that the first inning debacle was somehow all Cano's fault. Yes, he should have been on 2nd to cover, but he's not the guy who failed to make a routine throw to 1B.
   5. Cooperstown Shtick Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:28 AM (#2789352)
No one would have even noticed that Cano wasn't covering if Jeter did his job.

In fact, they still wouldn't have noticed if Jeter hadn't spent the rest of the ininng glaring at Cano to let everyone know the captain wasn't to blame.


They also wouldn't have noticed if Cano had done his job. Jeter took the bad throw on himself post-game. I'm not sure what glaring at Cano accomplishes, but Jeter has every reason to be upset if he feels he can't count on Cano to be where he is supposed to be. It hurts the whole infield.

I have written in this forum before, and with this example it bears repeating: Cano is giving every appearance of having Newcontractitis.
   6. Master of Karate and Friendship (Kyle C) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:29 AM (#2789354)
Cano has been blamed for Jeter errors before, too.

Where does Klapisch rank among awful NY columnists? He's not as bad as Matthews, but I can't think of anyone else he's better than.
   7. aleskel Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:31 AM (#2789356)
wow, sagging AND creaky. That's not good.
   8. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:32 AM (#2789358)

Yanks look cranky too. Not mentioned in this article is the dangerous possible retaliation to Jeter's HBP, by L. Hawkins. Jeter gets hit often, because he stands close to the plate and lunges towards the plate. Hawkins threw twice at Luke Scott, the 2nd time right at his head.
Here is one recounting:


I talked about it in the Sox GDT, but who the f!@3 throws at the guy with A GLOCK? It's like making fun of Osama Bin Laden's beard in front of his face.
   9. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:34 AM (#2789360)
wow, sagging AND creaky. That's not good.

Like Hilary Clinton's mammary glands?
   10. Shooty misses Bill King Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:36 AM (#2789361)
Like Hilary Clinton's mammary glands?

Naw. Like your mom's.
   11. aleskel Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:36 AM (#2789362)
the funniest part of the Hawkins/Scott broohaha was in the replay, Scott yelling "don't throw at the head, that's not cool, bro" (seriously, he very clearly said "bro"). I would have taken a swing at him for that alone.
   12. andrewberg Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:39 AM (#2789365)
Klapisch: Sagging Yankees look creaky


Not another golden thong column...
   13. Shooty misses Bill King Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM (#2789367)
the funniest part of the Hawkins/Scott broohaha was in the replay, Scott yelling "don't throw at the head, that's not cool, bro" (seriously, he very clearly said "bro"). I would have taken a swing at him for that alone.

Don't bean me, bro?
   14. DKDC Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM (#2789368)
They also wouldn't have noticed if Cano had done his job. Jeter took the bad throw on himself post-game. I'm not sure what glaring at Cano accomplishes, but Jeter has every reason to be upset if he feels he can't count on Cano to be where he is supposed to be. It hurts the whole infield.


I just watched the replay again and Cano did beat Millar to the bag. It was a hit-and-run of some kind, which is the only reason it was close, but Jeter had the play at second if he wanted it.

However, even if Cano had dropped his glove and ran screaming towards the outfield like a little girl, Jeter deserves 90% of the blame on that play.
   15. kevin Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:41 AM (#2789369)
Aleskel, you must not be very good at lip-reading. Here's what he really said:

"Don't graze me, bro! Don't graze me!"
   16. Shooty misses Bill King Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:43 AM (#2789373)
"Don't graze me, bro! Don't graze me!"

This is better than mine. Winner!
   17. DKDC Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:43 AM (#2789374)
the funniest part of the Hawkins/Scott broohaha was in the replay, Scott yelling "don't throw at the head, that's not cool, bro" (seriously, he very clearly said "bro"). I would have taken a swing at him for that alone.


That seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to say to me. Scott was perfectly happy to take one off the hip, but he takes exception to a 93 MPH buzzer thrown at his face.

LaTroy, in all his wisdom, responded to Scott by screaming "Shut the @$#@ up" repeatedly.
   18. aleskel Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:50 AM (#2789378)
That seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to say to me. Scott was perfectly happy to take one off the hip, but he takes exception to a 93 MPH buzzer thrown at his face

Hh, of course. There is, however, absolutely no excuse for a grown man to use the word "bro"
   19. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:57 AM (#2789388)

Hh, of course. There is, however, absolutely no excuse for a grown man to use the word "bro"


We shouldn't scrutinize the vocabulary of a gun owner. We just shouldn't.

That being said, I really hope Levski doens't own any assault rifles.
   20. DKDC Posted: May 21, 2008 at 11:03 AM (#2789396)
Hh, of course. There is, however, absolutely no excuse for a grown man to use the word "bro"


Feel free to file your complaint in person.
   21. Mister High Standards Posted: May 21, 2008 at 11:09 AM (#2789401)
Seriously. This infuriates me, the insinuation that the first inning debacle was somehow all Cano's fault. Yes, he should have been on 2nd to cover, but he's not the guy who failed to make a routine throw to 1B.


Cano's job on that play was CLEARLY to be at 2b. Jeter's job was to throw to 2b.

The Captain should get little blame. Some blame, but little.
   22. The Good Face Posted: May 21, 2008 at 11:11 AM (#2789404)
Feel free to file your complaint in person.


Mmmmm.... HK USP. Scott has good taste in handguns.
   23. B. Selig Posted: May 21, 2008 at 12:40 PM (#2789473)
Is Luke Scott going to shoot me if I point out that saying "bro" makes you a d-bag?
   24. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 21, 2008 at 12:56 PM (#2789485)
However, even if Cano had dropped his glove and ran screaming towards the outfield like a little girl, Jeter deserves 90% of the blame on that play.

I'm cleaning off spit from my monitor after reading that (and the mental image it produced).
   25. kevin Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:15 PM (#2789507)
You never see Lugo blaming Pedroia for all his errors.

Of course, that's because Pedroia never has anything to do with any of Lugo's errors so I really don't know where I'm going with this.

Except to say it's just more evidence of Pedroia's total awesomeness.
   26. rconn23 Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:23 PM (#2789519)
"Except to say it's just more evidence of Pedroia's total awesomeness."


Pedroia - 336 .397 .733 OPS.

Yes, I realize that it's a good time to be a Sox fan right now and every young player they have is the greatest to have ever played, but awesomeness? Solid, yes, very good even, but awesome? As the great modern philosopher Lee Corso, said "Not so fast my friend!"
   27. 1k5v3L Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:27 PM (#2789524)
Of course, if Pedroia didn't have the Green Monster to turn his pop ups into doubles, he'd be a poor man's Callaspo.
   28. mel otts home field advantage (DrS&;s) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:46 PM (#2789541)
Mmmmm.... HK USP. Scott has good taste in handguns.


The mag release looked weird/flimsy. I love my Glock.
   29. The Good Face Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:55 PM (#2789554)
The mag release looked weird/flimsy. I love my Glock.


The Glock trigger pull is made of failure. They're decent enough guns, but I'd put em below HK, SIG, CZ and Beretta.
   30. kevin Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:56 PM (#2789556)
See, you can't just look at numbers with Pedroia, rconn. You'll miss the all-important clutchness and intangibles factors with him.
   31. mel otts home field advantage (DrS&;s) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:00 PM (#2789563)
The Berettas are freakin bricks. Sigs are quality, but they just don't feel right in my hand. Haven't looked at the CZ.

I've put 10s of thousands of rounds through my Glock with no trigger pull problems whatsoever.

Anyway, we should turn this thread into the official redneck gun thread to counteract the bleeding heart whining that usually goes on. :-)
   32. mel otts home field advantage (DrS&;s) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:01 PM (#2789566)
See, you can't just look at numbers with Pedroia, rconn. You'll miss the all-important clutchness and intangibles factors with him.


It's amazing he can field at all, with you slurping him all the time.
   33. Never Thought of Listach as a Sexual Reference Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:01 PM (#2789567)
.328  .382  .477  .859  .345   122 Home
.269  .332  .357  .689  .285    79 Away
   34. The Good Face Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:18 PM (#2789585)
The Berettas are freakin bricks. Sigs are quality, but they just don't feel right in my hand. Haven't looked at the CZ.


Yeah, the Berettas are chunky, but I like that. I have average sized hands, but prefer guns many people say are too bulky.. just what feels right I guess. Probably one reason I like my USP so much. CZ used to be an outstanding brand for the price, haven't keep up with the market in a while though.

I've put 10s of thousands of rounds through my Glock with no trigger pull problems whatsoever.


I just hate that DAO trigger. Feels slushy and mushy and requires too many pounds of pull. Do they still jam if "limp wristed" while firing? I do admit Glocks are a lot of gun for the money.

Anyway, we should turn this thread into the official redneck gun thread to counteract the bleeding heart whining that usually goes on. :-)


Hey, if the Mets fans can get away with it...
   35. villageidiom Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:19 PM (#2789587)
Cano's job on that play was CLEARLY to be at 2b. Jeter's job was to throw to 2b.


Jeter's job was to get one freakin' out. Had he made a clean throw, he would have. Cano was late to the bag, but (a) if #14 was right, he wasn't so late that a play couldn't have been made; and (b) it wasn't Jeter's only option.

Had it been a rookie instead of Jeter, he would've been blamed 90-100%. Here, the blame shifts to Cano - not because Jeter is seen as infallible, but because the author is trying to make the point that Cano isn't motivated. Cano certainly had a hand in the 1st inning debacle, possibly due to lack of effort, so I have no problem with that characterization. But Jeter deserves the lion's share of the blame for the busted play.
   36. Petunia Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#2789608)
LaTroy, in all his wisdom, responded to Scott by screaming "Shut the @$#@ up" repeatedly.

Probably trying to earn back his #21 by living up to the reputation of his predecessor.
   37. bunyon Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:45 PM (#2789610)
I had no idea that Luke Scott played at OSU (the good one).

I second hatred of the Glock's trigger.
   38. SoSH U at work Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:48 PM (#2789613)
It's amazing he can field at all, with you slurping him all the time.


Proving that threat to go all redneck on us wasn't an empty one. Delightful.
   39. kevin Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:52 PM (#2789618)
Anyway, we should turn this thread into the official redneck gun thread to counteract the bleeding heart whining that usually goes on. :-)


I hae an idea. Why don't you hunting with Dick Cheney?
   40. mel otts home field advantage (DrS&;s) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:12 PM (#2789638)
Dick Cheney's a putz.

I bet you and he would have a lot to talk about down at the VFW, kevin.
   41. Matt Waters Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:12 PM (#2789639)
In baseball, the guy who makes a mental mistake is always more at fault than a guy making a physical mistake. Cano has absolutely no excuse for not being at the bag on time, and there have been previous instances this year where he was late covering and made the force play way closer than it should have been [I recall a particular instance in Detroit] Jeter had every right to be pissed at Cano, and should be applauded for not openly airing him out in the dugout after the inning, AND taking full blame after the game. Cano’s laziness was absolutely inexcusable. How is a physical mistake, a bad throw, somehow worse than being a total airhead, like Robinson Cano has been all season?

But Jeter deserves the lion's share of the blame for the busted play.


I definitely respect your opinion, but that inning is OVER if Cano does his, at that particular moment, ridiculously easy job. I don’t see how anyone gets past that fact without putting the blame on Cano.
   42. mel otts home field advantage (DrS&;s) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:12 PM (#2789642)
Proving that threat to go all redneck on us wasn't an empty one. Delightful.


Hold on, let me get a new dip in.
   43. SoSH U at work Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:22 PM (#2789649)
I agree with the Matts (Rauseo and Waters). Jeter screwed up a throw, which can happen to anyone. Cano didn't do his job, which simply shouldn't happen.

and mellot, can I bum one off ya?
   44. rconn23 Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:32 PM (#2789661)
"See, you can't just look at numbers with Pedroia, rconn. You'll miss the all-important clutchness and intangibles factors with him."

Clutchness, intangibles... Sure, well then, that being said, can we dedicate this site from then on to debating Pedroia's clutchitude (fist pump) and intanglbles. Because up until now it appears the site was created to run repeated threads on how much Derek Jeter sucks.

You know, be good to change it up a little bit.
   45. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:38 PM (#2789666)
Cano had Millar beat by a good fifteen feet and pulled up when he saw Jeter was going to first. And despite pulling up he still beat him handily. The second replay, from the third base side, shows this clearly.
   46. villageidiom Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:39 PM (#2789667)
I definitely respect your opinion, but that inning is OVER if Cano does his, at that particular moment, ridiculously easy job. I don't see how anyone gets past that fact without putting the blame on Cano.

The EXACT same statement can be made for Jeter.

Oh, except that getting out of the inning wasn't conditional on Cano doing his job. It was conditional on either (Jeter and Cano) or (Jeter and Giambi) doing their jobs. Giambi held up his share of the deal; neither Jeter nor Cano held up theirs. It would've been easier had Cano done his ridiculously easy job, for sure. But Jeter's job was also ridiculously easy, and didn't REQUIRE Cano.

EDIT: According to #14 and #45, it appears Cano did his job. So who's left to blame?
   47. kevin Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:42 PM (#2789670)
I bet you and he would have a lot to talk about down at the VFW, kevin.


We would. We could talk about how helpful it would be if he accidentally shot you in the face.

Second thought, maybe it wouold be better if he shot the fingers you type with off instead.
   48. kevin Posted: May 21, 2008 at 04:17 PM (#2789706)
Sure, well then, that being said, can we dedicate this site from then on to debating Pedroia's clutchitude (fist pump) and intanglbles.


Absolutely!

Because up until now it appears the site was created to run repeated threads on how much Derek Jeter sucks.


Well, I agree with you there. Jeter doesn't suck. It just seems that way because he's held agaisnt the light of Pedroia and doesn't fare so well in comparison.
   49. rconn23 Posted: May 21, 2008 at 04:45 PM (#2789731)
"Well, I agree with you there. Jeter doesn't suck. It just seems that way because he's held agaisnt the light of Pedroia and doesn't fare so well in comparison."

A .317 career batting average, a mortal lock for 3,000 hits, 4 WS rings and...
Jessica Alba, Jordana Brewster, Scarlett Johannsen, and Jessica Biel. The list goes on...

Cap'n tangibles doesn't pale in comparison to anyone I tell you! (loosening collar, rolling up sleeves) Anyone!
   50. kevin Posted: May 21, 2008 at 04:53 PM (#2789740)
Jessica Alba, Jordana Brewster, Scarlett Johannsen, and Jessica Biel. The list goes on...


Derek Jeter. Leavin' it all off the field.
   51. His Clutchness, The Just Pasha Diving Jeter Posted: May 21, 2008 at 04:56 PM (#2789744)
A .317 career batting average, a mortal lock for 3,000 hits, 4 WS rings and...
Jessica Alba, Jordana Brewster, Scarlett Johannsen, and Jessica Biel. The list goes on...


Does it ever...

Cap'n tangibles doesn't pale in comparison to anyone I tell you!

You tell 'em.
   52. Son of Snigglet Posted: May 21, 2008 at 07:08 PM (#2789834)
Jeter doesn't suck. He just has no business paying shortstop anymore--which is frustrating because it's only out of misguided demigod-like apotheosis that he continues to play a position he can't handle at the expense of the team. Maybe the Yankees don't care as much about winning as they care about maintaining their image as unassailable champions at any cost.

And as far as the "gun-ownership=redneck conservative" stereotype goes--I'm liberal, vegan, Buddhist, and, while not a fanatic, own a hand gun.
   53. Son of Snigglet Posted: May 21, 2008 at 07:17 PM (#2789838)
Cap'n tangibles doesn't pale in comparison to anyone I tell you!

You tell 'em.


John Mayer might give him a run for his money soon.
   54. Answer Guy Posted: May 21, 2008 at 07:17 PM (#2789839)

And as far as the "gun-ownership=redneck conservative" stereotype goes--I'm liberal, vegan, Buddhist, and, while not a fanatic, own a hand gun.


While I don't doubt any of this, I think all that talk was a reference to Luke Scott, who was plunked by LaTroy Hawkins, probably in retaliation for Daniel Cabrera hitting Derek Jeter with a pitch earlier in the game. Scott gave this interview to some Baltimore newspaper I happened across, and he sounded like a walking, talking "religious hick who loves his gun too much" caricature; he disclosed that he carries his Glock pretty much everywhere he goes.
   55. 1k5v3L Posted: May 21, 2008 at 08:09 PM (#2789970)
Jessica Alba, Jordana Brewster, Scarlett Johannsen, and Jessica Biel. The list goes on...
You should see Pedroia's list:
kevin, kevin, kevin, Mrs. Pedroia, on and on and on...
   56. bookbook Posted: May 22, 2008 at 12:25 AM (#2790614)
a buddhist who owns a handgun? In te pursuit of not harming a fly, it is indeed advisable to pack some serious deterrence
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