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Monday, August 11, 2008
KTAR: Diamondbacks acquire Adam Dunn
The Diamondbacks are giving up three prospects in the deal, minor league pitcher Dallas Buck and two other players to be named later.
There will be some SERIOUS swinging and missing in Chase Field:
The Diamondbacks will now have three of the top five strikeout leaders in the National League. Mark Reynolds is second with 147 and Chris Young is third with 122.
Dunn has 120.
Mike Emeigh
Posted: August 11, 2008 at 02:56 PM | 168 comment(s)
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-- MWE
Dallas Buck has a cool name. That's about it. I'm of course dying to find out who the other two players are. I hope AZ holds onto JParker (the pitcher) and Mad Max.
For now, sure. But what happens when Upton is back?
Either way, a huge boost to the D-Backs. This keeps them in contention without a doubt, and I think it puts them over the top of the Dodgers.
With the NL MVP race still up in the air it wouldn't surprise me to see Dunn go off for something like .300/.430/.700 over the last six weeks, drive in 40 runs and get some consideration.
-- MWE
-- MWE
Makes sense. But Melvin loves toying with them lineups. We might see Dunn playing SS and leading off
Also, I'm irritated because I know that the majority of Reds fans are gonna equate this with the Griffey deal - one crucial difference is that Dunn is a good player, whereas Griffey *used* to be a good player.
The Reds' OF is now an enormous mess; funny that should be the case given their OF logjam of a few years ago.
Point taken on the players to be named. I wonder if it's akin to the Brewers/Indians deal where the Indians get a "pick'em" from a pool of four?
EDIT: AG's #1 Fan beat me to it.
Marty says he's happy and he doesn't know who they got back. I'm guessing Thom is glad he can work more Arizona references into his broadcasts. 700WLW is running really disgusting promos that totally rip Dunn. They did the same thing after Jr was traded.
EDIT: And Marty just added that "he's not a big time run producer."
It's a surprise to me too. The only explanation I can think of is that the availability of Bay and Manny threw a wrench in all the deadline negotiations.
You can't hear them above the climaxing.
If they win 40% of their games the remainder of the season I will be impressed................
Doesn't he play for Oakland??
Dallas Buck does not represent the value of two high draft picks to me.
That's Dallas Braden.
-- MWE
Or Travis Buck. He might have put the two together.
What's the better hitters park, GAB or Chase?
Well, they did just hire Bill Bavasi the other day. Coincidence?
They just hired Bavasi. Whatever he has might be contagious, I guess.
Vlad owes a Coke! Vlad owes a Coke!
Absolutely. Gotta got rid of the big white donkey before he withers in the hot summer heat.
Maybe because they are not all that enthralled with the 2009 draft pool, and wanted a more immediate return.
The 2009 draft pool, from all reports, is not nearly as deep as the 2008 pool was.
-- MWE
Does it ever happen that a team has a huge logjam at some position and then doesn't blow it and end up with a serious deficiency at that position in a few years?
Because he just said that they were losing with "Krivsky's team ... not mine."
I think that's unlikely.
-- MWE
"I have never wanted to win more than I do right here, and I will, but this is Wayne Krivsky's team, not Walt Jocketty's and not mine. I just hope there is enough out there after the season that we can get to help us." — Baker.
To save you a click, here's that quote from Baker.
Ouch!
Edwin is already getting his share of bullets from the booth for his "lack of clutch hitting" and poor fielding. The latter is deserved by the way.
This really isn't Walt's kind of team. He likes defense and the Reds don't play it. They need a shortstop and a centerfielder. And a catcher. (And no, I don't agree that Bruce can handle center regularly. He needs to focus on his offense and centerfield is too taxing)
Ye olde "up the middle" region is a tad lacking in Redstown.........
No, Phillips' 30-30 and defense makes him untouchable. Votto is next in line after Edwin.
I think that's unlikely.
Reds fans are also speculating that their team isn't very well run. How likely do you see that?
it was amazing how few pitches the reds hitters took over this series. except encarnacion. no wonder dusty don't like him.
probably dunn was bad for the chemistry or something. now ain't he the guy who don't even LIKE baseball and besides, he would hit 300 and drive in 50 more runs if he just would hit those pitches out of the strike zone?
I don't buy Coke, because I don't like the way they have Latin American labor leaders murdered. Take a different beverage instead?
You can add me to the "skeptical" column there.
I believe this is the most likely scenario.
I can't evaluate this deal until I know who the two PTBNL are and how they will work out the positioning for the rest of the season and who is going to lose at bats.
I think that's unlikely, too. I think Jocketty does know what he is doing, and that he's going to do a good job there - if ownership lets him.
-- MWE
[edit] Haven't checked, but I think Parra is not on the 40 man roster either
Or it could be dependent on how much, and how well, Dunn plays down the stretch.
-- MWE
Does he have any idea that he just invoked OBP?
That's my thought, with a possible contingency on the D-Backs making the playoffs increasing the level of prospect they can choose from.
OK. If that's true, then I'd guess Esmerling Vasquez is one of them, and either Whitesell or Brito is the other.
-- MWE
Thinking out loud: players on the 25 man roster cannot be PsTBNL in the same league, correct?
So we're down to 15 names, right?
You could get all punk rock and steal the Coke. From Wal-Mart. Keying a Hummer as you run out of the parking lot with your ill gotten booty.
If Volquez gets shelved soon that will be a positive long-term for the Reds but of course comletely hang out the "Gone Fishing" sign on the season.
That's my understanding too.
Using the key of a Prius?
Using the key for their bike lock, of course. Silly.
Naw, the key of a bicycle lock.
(It's very depressing to always be reminded how unorignial I am.)
Either way, there's no possibility Scherzer would be moved here.
Shooty, now you have to steal a coke from Wal*Mart
No way. I'd have to go to Jersey! How about a Snapple from a Pick-a-bagel?
A friend of mine once observed that gutter punks would never embrace true anarchy because then they'd have to make their own beer.
Because Dusty Baker must be blamed for everything.
A friend of mine once observed that gutter punks would never embrace true anarchy because then they'd have to make their own beer.
But Pick-A-Bagel is cool, right?
-- MWE
Oh man, I haven't been there in months. So good.
If you can trade a guy for decent prospects (A B prospect and a C+?) rather than let him walk, you should probably make the trade.
The problem is that Buck and all of the players mentioned above as realistic possibilities given the 40-man rumor don't qualify as even solid B prospects.
And you're ignoring the salary they won't have to pay Dunn. That's more than the slot bonuses for 2 picks.
[Edit] Looks like there is some cash in the deal. Probably best to hold off until we know how much.
If they win 40% of their games the remainder of the season I will be impressed................
They have 43 games left to play. 21 are against the Cubs (6), Brewers (6), and Cards (9). They also got 3 against Arizona and their new corner outfielder. That could get nasty.
Isn't that just another reason to not hold onto a guy and try to get arbitration picks?
The problem is that Buck and all of the players mentioned above as realistic possibilities given the 40-man rumor don't qualify as even solid B prospects.
According to you maybe.
Buck, to me, is close the exact median outcome of a supplemental round pick, although he fell to round 3 due to injury questions. He is a talented arm and a good athlete who is recovering from injury and pitching well but not dominating.
According to Rotoworld, the Reds are including cash along with Dunn. So the Reds aren't even saving the full pro-rated share of Dunn's 2008 salary, relief from which they could have gotten had they simply allowed the Dbacks to execute the waiver claim.
Very strange trade from the Reds' perspective. It's hard to see how they'll come out ahead.
And good job by JB to acquire an impact bat plus comp picks while (apparently) not giving up anything of value.
And good job by JB to acquire an impact bat plus comp picks while (apparently) not giving up anything of value.
Except Dallas Buck and two (currently unknown) players..
Very strange trade from the Reds' perspective. It's hard to see how they'll come out ahead.
By acquiring Buck and two other guys, a return better than two comp picks, in exchange for a player they weren't going to get to keep anyway?
Me too. The Dodgers with Ramirez/Dunn in the middle of the order would be scary. Bench Jones and Pierre who deserve it, and Ethier who is almost the definition of average player.
But Dunn-Kemp-Ramirez would be one scary defensive outfield. Derek Lowe and his sinker shouldn't mind though.
But Dunn-Kemp-Ramirez would be one scary defensive outfield. Derek Lowe and his sinker shouldn't mind though.
Dunn wouldn't have gone to LA. They could have claimed him strictly in a blocking move. The PR hit in Cincinnati of letting Dunn go for nothing would be enormous, so there was no risk of being stuck with him. To me, it seems like a no-brainer that Los Angeles should have put in a claim.
He's already been in the majors a year now because of his couple-month stint last season (debuted August 2nd last year), so I don't think it would matter. He'd become a FA the same time either way.
Right now, I'm not so well suited for the running. Closer to Buster Bloodvessel than Iggy Pop at the moment, if you catch my drift (though I'm working on it).
"A friend of mine once observed that gutter punks would never embrace true anarchy because then they'd have to make their own beer."
Real punks drink pruno. And accidental pruno, at that.
In my haste I wanted to point out two items that argued for opposite sides. It read like I was trying to argue the point opposite yours both times. My fault.
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