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(LAT) Manny Ramirez suspended 50 games.

Just Manny being Manny?

Wanting to give the young kids a chance to produce on the Dodgers? Get A-Rod off the back pages? Or a condemnation of the Red Sox world series victories?

Who will think of the children?

Manny Ramirez has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and will be suspended 50 games starting today, The Times has learned.

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401. Lassus: Posted: May 07, 2009 at 04:59 PM (#3169321)

If MLB isn't allowed to comment, it's easy for the player to have someone leak out a relatively innocuous "excuse" that nobody is in a position to rebut.

Well, sure, all we have at the moment is "if", which is part of why this thread is already at 400 posts.

402. BeanoCook Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:00 PM (#3169324)

Jordan retired 3 times, played 2 seasons for the Wizards. Great players never retire unless they are Jim Brown and Barry Sanders.

403. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:00 PM (#3169325)

A-Rod, Vick, Vince Young, and Mystery Option D.

Who is Vince Young?

404. Dr Love Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:01 PM (#3169327)

If #372 is true, MLB is going to look like more of a laughingstock than Manny, I think.

Maybe, but they're right to ban stuff that can be used as a masking agent (hair loss treatments can also fall under this).

405. BeanoCook Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:01 PM (#3169329)

If MLB isn't allowed to comment, it's easy for the player to have someone leak out a relatively innocuous "excuse" that nobody is in a position to rebut.

This is ripped right out of the NFL PR playbook for handling such crises. In fact, up until 2001, if an NFL player simply claimed that his positive test was due to a tainted supplement from a team, the suspension was removed. They just needed to make the claim, and poof.

406. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:02 PM (#3169330)

Since nobody will read number 400, here it is again: Daulerio over at Deadspin.... only then at the end it was revealed to be another Manny Ramirez.

DAMN YOU DEADSPIN!!!!

407. zenbitz Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:02 PM (#3169332)

I really, really could care less what he took or didn't take.

I am ECSTATIC about the news, however, because I HATE THE DODGERS and they deserve bad things heaped upon them.

408. BeanoCook Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:02 PM (#3169331)

Believe it or not, as much as I hate the Dodgers, I don't think he did this on purpose. Manny has never struck me a dumb.

Really? Seems to me the dumb people weren't using a PED over the last 15 years.

409. RBI King Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:02 PM (#3169333)

It is clearly Viagra prescribed for his severe erectile dysfunction.

A source close to Manny Ramirez said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers slugger tested positive was not “an agent customarily used for performance enhancing.”

At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the substance is supposed to boost sex drive. It is not Viagra, but a substance that treats the cause rather providing a temporary boost in sexual performance, the source said.

ZING!

410. Jimmy P Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:02 PM (#3169334)

Great players never retire unless they are Jim Brown and Barry Sanders.

John Elway. Best retirement ever.

411. BeanoCook Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:03 PM (#3169335)

Who is Vince Young?

College Football legend.

412. Fat Al Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:03 PM (#3169336)

Latest report is that it was HCG, a female hormone something or other that is used as a "masking agent". ESPN radio.

413. BeanoCook Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:04 PM (#3169337)

John Elway. Best retirement ever.

I disagree, Dale Earnhardt was better.

414. Jimenez > Soriano Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:04 PM (#3169339)

edited since it seems gaming boy RTFA

415. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:05 PM (#3169341)

I'd offer A-Rod and $150M for Manny straight up!

416. Joe Mauer Power Hour Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:05 PM (#3169343)

Believe it or not, as much as I hate the Dodgers, I don't think he did this on purpose. Manny has never struck me a dumb.

I feel like he's dumb either way. He's dumb if he took something knowingly, and he's dumb if he didn't check whether his new prescription drugs were okay.

Then again, if it was a sex drug, I guess I can see how that might not cross his mind.

417. AndrewJ Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:05 PM (#3169344)

I think only one person will be able to cover this story in a completely dignified way. You know who it is."

Walter Cronkite?

No, it's Artie Lange doing his Harry Caray impression.

418. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:06 PM (#3169345)

Gammingboy: RTFA dumb ass.

Yeah, yeah, I know. In my defense I said that I hadn't read it all yet. Then I made another post saying it was another Manny.

419. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:06 PM (#3169346)

Who is Vince Young?

A QB for the Titans who's had his mental state questioned on several occasions for several reasons. He's also supremely physically talented.

420. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:06 PM (#3169347)

I disagree, Dale Earnhardt was better.

Boo!

Probably the best was Ted Williams. I don't care about the circumstances, the man hit a homer in his last ####### at-bat.

421. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:07 PM (#3169352)

College Football legend.

Ah. No wonder I've never heard of him.

422. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:13 PM (#3169356)

ESPNnews just reported the HCG angle, saying it was confirmed by their investigative guys (the "Game of Shadows" people).

423. Mike Webber Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:13 PM (#3169357)

ESPN radio just said he tested positive for a female sex enhancing product which is used by steroid users when they are coming off cycle.

424. BeanoCook Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:14 PM (#3169358)

Ah. No wonder I've never heard of him.

Mostly because the Titans have crappy players surrounding Young. It is their fault.

425. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:14 PM (#3169359)

ESPN radio just said he tested positive for a female sex enhancing product which is used by steroid users when they are coming off cycle.

thats a game changer. Good bye legacy

426. Fat Al Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:14 PM (#3169360)

ESPN:

However, two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.

427. karkface killah Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:15 PM (#3169362)

Glad I'm going to Alaska for two weeks so I can miss most of this circus.

I'll be at the Bush Company if anyone needs me.

428. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:16 PM (#3169364)

ESPN radio just said he tested positive for a female sex enhancing product

So it's just Manny being Margie?

429. As foretold by the prophesy (JFSE) Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:17 PM (#3169365)

Hmm, I think I want to get some steroids, but let's use a pseudonym, just in case... Albert... Pujols, yea, that's a good name. Let's go with Albert Pujols.

430. Dave Spiwak Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:17 PM (#3169366)

Believe it or not, as much as I hate the Dodgers, I don't think he did this on purpose. Manny has never struck me a dumb.

I feel like he's dumb either way. He's dumb if he took something knowingly, and he's dumb if he didn't check whether his new prescription drugs were okay.

Then again, if it was a sex drug, I guess I can see how that might not cross his mind.

So was it the one endorsed by the "certain part of the male anatomy" lady, or the one with the whistling and smiling? Anyone that keeps those companies in business (and their commercials on my television) should be banned from baseball.

431. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:18 PM (#3169369)

So it's just Manny being Margie?

Naw, it's simpler than that. Manny being Manni

432. Lassus: Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:18 PM (#3169370)

Yeah, that new info isn't as fun as the Extenz theory, but again, "sources", so who knows?

433. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:19 PM (#3169371)

the "certain part of the male anatomy" lady

Every time I see that commercial, I think, "so, this product will leave you with an enlarged prostate"?

434. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:19 PM (#3169372)

Hair Enhancers.

435. Will Shave Off My Listach for an O's Win Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:19 PM (#3169373)

They're saying tamoxifen citrate on Deadspin, and it's supposedly confirmed.

Used to, well, reduce the size of a man's breasts, when said breasts might otherwise have been enlarged by steroids.

(b****h t*ts).

436. Dave Spiwak Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:20 PM (#3169375)

However, two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.

Now he goes into hiding for a week while trying to figure out how to spin why he might possibly have had a legitimate "doctor's prescription" for this stuff.

437. dingo powered war machine (CoB) Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:20 PM (#3169376)

HCG is a women's fertility drug typically

Maybe Manny should blame his test on orally pleasuring his wife, the way that cop in NY(?) did ...

438. Karl from NY Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:20 PM (#3169378)

Thread velocity check: 440 posts in two and a half hours, 2.93 posts/minute.

439. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3169380)

They're saying tamoxifen citrate on Deadspin, and it's supposedly confirmed.

Used to, well, reduce the size of a man's breasts, when said breasts might otherwise have been enlarged by steroids.

(b****h t*ts).

Don't make the same mistake I did. Read to the end.

440. dingo powered war machine (CoB) Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3169382)

[438] different. manny. ramirez.

441. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3169383)

Listachio, go back and read all the way to the end of the Deadspin article. It was a different Manny Ramirez.

EDIT: Serves me right for writing in complete sentences.

442. Will Shave Off My Listach for an O's Win Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3169384)

So, why wasn't he caught 'til after he left Boston?

And why wasn't an obvious user in the Mitchell report?

443. Jimmy P Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3169386)

So, why wasn't he caught 'til after he left Boston?

And why wasn't an obvious user in the Mitchell report?

Bill Simmons and Jack-O would say it's because Bud is under the Red Sox influence. How many Red Sox players have been mentioned or caught? Zero.

444. Dr Stankus and the Semicolons Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:23 PM (#3169387)

hCG is used as a treatment for impaired spermatogenisis.

445. Will Shave Off My Listach for an O's Win Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:23 PM (#3169388)

OK, OK, I've been reading a lot lately.

But it is a better rumor :)

446. winnipegwhip Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:23 PM (#3169389)

ESPN radio just said he tested positive for a female sex enhancing product which is used by steroid users when they are coming off cycle.

Just Manny being Womanny.

447. Lassus: Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:24 PM (#3169390)

hCG is used as a treatment for impaired spermatogenisis.

Hmmm... there's an actual fact we can hang our hat on.

BURN HIM!

Seriously, though, that would be a pretty good trump card for the Manny camp.

448. TDF, situational idiot Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:25 PM (#3169393)

I started an hour late, and can't believe I'm going to get to post this...

What happens to the ~8mil Ramirez was due to be paid for the 50 games? Do the Dodgers gets to save 8 mil? Do the Dodgers still have to pay it, but the money goes to the league, or a charity?

$$ goes to build little league baseball fields in urban L.A.

So you're saying he was set up by a bunch of 12 year olds?

Well, it is Manny...

449. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3169394)

ESPNEWS just reported what Barry Zito had on Twitter. It goes like this:

Manny's gone for 50 games. time for the Giants to capitalize.

Right......

450. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken (Dewey is a slacker) Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3169396)

And why wasn't an obvious user in the Mitchell report?

The Mitchell Report was mainly sourced by guys who worked in the Yankees and Mets clubhouses, so the dirt was mostly on Yankees and Mets players.

451. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3169397)

impaired spermatogenisis

that'd be a great screen name.

452. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:30 PM (#3169401)

Okay, what's the headline in the NY Post tomorrow?

453. devo Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:31 PM (#3169405)

"MAN DOWN"

454. The Buddy Biancalana Hit Counter Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:31 PM (#3169406)

Okay, what's the headline in the NY Post tomorrow?

MAN?-NY

455. Jimmy P Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3169408)

hCG is used as a treatment for impaired spermatogenisis.

Which can be a side effect of anabolic steroid use.

456. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3169411)

Okay, what's the headline in the NY Post tomorrow?

"PAKISTAN SCRAPS TALIBAN TRUCE
- U.S. Hails Move
- Government Troops In Swat, Buner"

457. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3169410)

The Mitchell Report was mainly sourced by guys who worked in the Yankees and Mets clubhouses, so the dirt was mostly on Yankees and Mets players.

And Orioles.

It was basically the McNamee/Radomski/Bigbie Report.

458. Rich Rifkin I Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3169412)

Okay, what's the headline in the NY Post tomorrow?

Manny Being Marley

459. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3169415)

oh and in case i forgot ....

FREE BARRY BONDS!

460. puck Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:36 PM (#3169420)

tamoxifen citrate: also used to re-start natural testosterone production after a steroid cycle.

461. RJ in TO Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:36 PM (#3169421)

FREE BARRY BONDS!

But his agent says he wants the league minimum!

462. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:36 PM (#3169422)

tamoxifen citrate: also used to re-start natural testosterone production after a steroid cycle.

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't read all the way through the DS article before posting on it.

463. SoSH U at work Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:37 PM (#3169423)

FREE BARRY BONDS!

His agent tried that sales pitch last year and it didn't move the product. What makes you think this year is going to be different?

Edit: Dammit Ryan.

464. puck Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:40 PM (#3169428)

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't read all the way through the DS article before posting on it.

Huh?

465. bunyon Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:40 PM (#3169430)

I disagree, Dale Earnhardt was better.

Not as good as that comeback attempt by Gehrig in spring 1940.

466. tribefan Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:41 PM (#3169433)

the stock market isn't reacting well to the Manny news

467. kwarren Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3169434)

Do steroids help? Here are the top 15 active HR leaders from 1992 and 2007. Please discuss. Climate changes, juiced balls, smaller stadiums, changing winds, worse pitching, juiced batters.....oh what oh what could it be?

.......1992...................2007.........

Dave Winfield.....432....Barry Bonds.....762
Eddie Murray......414....Sammy Sosa......609
Andre Dawson......399....Ken Griffey.....593
Dale Murphy.......398....Alex Rodriguez..518
Carlton Fisk......375....Frank Thomas....513
Jack Clark........340....Jim Thome.......507
Gary Carter.......324....Manny Ramirez...490
Lance Parrish.....316....Gary Sheffield..480
George Brett......298....Carlos Delgado..431
Daryl Strawberry..285....Mike Piazza.....427
Brian Downing.....275....Chipper Jones...386
Cal Ripken........273....Andruw Jones....368
Kent Hrbek........258....Vlad Guerrero...365
Tom Brunansky.....255....Jeff Kent.......365
George Bell.......252....Jason Giambi....364

Best Regards.....Ken

468. villageidiom Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3169435)

So it's just Manny being Margie?

Naw, it's simpler than that. Manny being Manni

Manny being Annie.

469. hokieneer Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3169436)

3:30 ET On ESPN: "SportsCenter" Special On Manny

Damn it. I said 3:00 pm in my office pool.

470. Lassus: Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3169438)

Glad I'm going to Alaska for two ~~weeks~~ years so I can miss most of this circus.

That would be more accurate.

471. puck Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3169439)

Would any doctor other than Dr. Nick not know that hgc could run afoul of PED rules?

472. kwarren Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:44 PM (#3169442)

What is the over/under on amount of actual positive tests before this one that Ramirez has had.

Four

473. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken (Dewey is a slacker) Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3169445)

Do steroids help? Here are the top 15 active HR leaders from 1992 and 2007. Please discuss. Climate changes, juiced balls, smaller stadiums, changing winds, worse pitching, juiced batters.....oh what oh what could it be?

Something league-wide changed in the early 90s, because home runs increased league-wide in 1993. It wasn't Denver, because AL HRs increased, too. Did everyone start using at once?

474. Dr Love Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:46 PM (#3169446)

Would any doctor other than Dr. Nick not know that hgc could run afoul of PED rules?

Does this guy count as a doctor?

475. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:47 PM (#3169448)

470. I'd love to compare the leaderboard from, say, 1968 to 2007. Aaron, Mays, Mantle, Killebrew..

476. Dave Spiwak Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:47 PM (#3169449)

HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin.

Heh heh. You said gonad.

477. Dr Stankus and the Semicolons Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:48 PM (#3169450)

Do steroids help? Here are the top 15 active HR leaders from 1992 and 2007. Please discuss. Climate changes, juiced balls, smaller stadiums, changing winds, worse pitching, juiced batters.....oh what oh what could it be?

That's remarkably trolly. Correlation <> causation. Such a weak argument to point to two things and say "see?".

478. Fat Al Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:49 PM (#3169454)

Okay, I have no idea what this site is, but at first glance, HCG not looking so innocent.

479. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:50 PM (#3169457)

People we have yet to hear from who we no doubt WILL hear from:
Curt Schilling
Jose Canseco
Congress
Lord Haw-Haw (although whether it will be his opinion or the opinion of his boss is TBD)

480. villageidiom Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3169459)

Glad I'm going to Alaska for two weeks so I can miss most of this circus.

mrsidiom and I went to Alaska for two weeks on our honeymoon. We started our trip a few days after Nicole Simpson was murdered.

Yeah, good luck with that.

481. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3169463)

Something league-wide changed in the early 90s, because home runs increased league-wide in 1993. It wasn't Denver, because AL HRs increased, too. Did everyone start using at once?

The Wild Card. So wicked, it began corrupting the game a year in advance.

482. aleskel

Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:55 PM (#3169466)

Something league-wide changed in the early 90s, because home runs increased league-wide in 1993. It wasn't Denver, because AL HRs increased, too. Did everyone start using at once?

It is the year Manny debuted. Coincidence? I think not.

483. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:56 PM (#3169468)

.......1992...................2007.........

Dave Winfield.....432....Barry Bonds.....762
Eddie Murray......414....Sammy Sosa......609
Andre Dawson......399....Ken Griffey.....593
Dale Murphy.......398....Alex Rodriguez..518
Carlton Fisk......375....Frank Thomas....513
Jack Clark........340....Jim Thome.......507
Gary Carter.......324....Manny Ramirez...490
Lance Parrish.....316....Gary Sheffield..480
George Brett......298....Carlos Delgado..431
Daryl Strawberry..285....Mike Piazza.....427
Brian Downing.....275....Chipper Jones...386
Cal Ripken........273....Andruw Jones....368
Kent Hrbek........258....Vlad Guerrero...365
Tom Brunansky.....255....Jeff Kent.......365
George Bell.......252....Jason Giambi....364

Nice. Hey check this one out ...

1, 2, 3

notice loss of hair, and the muscle gain in pic two. And the roid rage in the final photo?

Steroids!

its proof cus i posted it on the internets.

484. Lassus: Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:57 PM (#3169469)

Also from the HCG Wiki.

The ? subunit of human chorionic gonadotropin is secreted also by some cancers including choriocarcinoma, germ cell tumors, hydatidiform mole formation, teratoma with elements of choriocarcinoma (this is rare), and islet cell tumor. For this reason a positive result in males can be a test for cancer, The normal range for men is between 0-5 IU/ml, although cancer should not automatically be suspected if the level is <30.

I mean, I doubt that's what's happening here, it is just interesting things I didn't know before.

485. Will Shave Off My Listach for an O's Win Posted: May 07, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3169471)

mrsidiom and I went to Alaska for two weeks on our honeymoon. We started our trip a few days after Nicole Simpson was murdered.

I worked in the canneries that summer. It was itinerant labor along the coasts. (I was really good at unloading boats, but not so good anybody ever hired me to work at sea.)

Occasionally, when the OJ subject came up, I'd ask, 'say, what's happening with him anyway?'

People laughed.

/Came up way too often...

486. kwarren Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:00 PM (#3169473)

Then he contacts baseball and gets a theraputic use waiver, like all the assorted sufferers of ADHD have.

There has been quite the epidemic increase of ADHD in the majors since this out was make available.....something on the order of 400%.

Manny's a different case to the others. Steroids make you stronger, but they don't make you hit .348. Manny's much more of a pure hitter than say McGwire or Sosa.

Please. Buy a clue. Manny has 533 freaking HR, at least 400 without the aid of PED. Also 516 doubles, and a career .279 isolated power.

And all you can say is that steroids don't help you hit .348. Geez.

487. Dr Stankus and the Semicolons Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:01 PM (#3169476)

Please. Buy a clue. Manny has 533 freaking HR, at least 400 without the aid of PED. Also 516 doubles, and a career .279 isolated power.

You may have a problem picking up subtle humor.

Not sure what the treatment would be, but do check that it isn't on MLB's list before taking it.

488. Repoz

Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:02 PM (#3169478)

Something league-wide changed in the early 90s, because home runs increased league-wide in 1993. It wasn't Denver, because AL HRs increased, too. Did everyone start using at once?

Since MLB knew strikes were forthcoming...they game tested "live balls" in 1987.

1993/1994 ta-da!

489. Lassus: Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:03 PM (#3169481)

EDIT: Wait, I don't care.

490. Gamingboy Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:04 PM (#3169483)

I have this image in my head of Manny in a tricycle with boxes of HCG in the back.

491. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:07 PM (#3169487)

The dosage of amphetamines to treat ADD are pretty low - not really enough to improve athletic performance.

492. SoSH U at work Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:07 PM (#3169489)

You may have a problem picking up subtle humor.

I don't think so. He was responding to km, whose love for Manny, though indeed humorous, could never be described as subtle.

493. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:12 PM (#3169494)

I don't think so. He was responding to km, whose love for Manny, though indeed humorous, could never be described as subtle.

Yep. km wasn't joking.

494. zonk Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:13 PM (#3169496)

Do steroids help? Here are the top 15 active HR leaders from 1992 and 2007. Please discuss. Climate changes, juiced balls, smaller stadiums, changing winds, worse pitching, juiced batters.....oh what oh what could it be?

Seems to me that this is a perfect case of "Kids, kids, you're both right".

495. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:14 PM (#3169499)

Since MLB knew strikes were forthcoming...they game tested "live balls" in 1987.

1993/1994 ta-da!

This is actually the theory I subscribe to. The extra something that led to the absolutely crazy totals of the late 90's/early 00's was unchecked PED abuse. Drug testing seems to have toned things down, but we're definitely in a new era.

Semi-serious question: which ball was livelier, the 20's/30's ball or the 90's/00's ball?

496. BeanoCook Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:14 PM (#3169500)

And all you can say is that steroids don't help you hit .348. Geez.

PEDs make your entire body more athletic, quicker, stronger, less fatigue. PEDs help an athlete do everything better. Still I'm not going to pretend it is some national tragedy.

497. BeanoCook Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:16 PM (#3169503)

which ball was livelier, the 20's/30's ball or the 90's/00's ball?

Last time I checked, I believe the rabbit ball is still the highest scoring era in baseball history. Meaning, Hack Wilsons RBI record is total crap.

498. kwarren Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:20 PM (#3169511)

Sammy did hit 320 and 328 in back to back years. Then again, he has no more evidence of steroids against him than Albert Pujols does.

That ain't necessarily a good thing. The steroid rumour mill is now ominously circling Pujols and Papi. There will be a landing soon.

It only seems fair that before any test results are made public, a player should be confronted with the evidence and allowed to answer it. After that, and after it's obvious that the drugs were used for performance enhancement, then by all means publicize and suspend. But what's the harm in taking an extra day or three to make sure they get it right? Again, he's not leaving the country.

What makes you think this hasn't been done? Today was not the first that Manny heard of it. It was simply the first time that he has addressed it publicly (sort of).

It would be nice if he could somehow clear his name of being a "roider", but still maintain his medical privacy.

Wow, what he do to deserve this devotion. Bonds never tested positive but is continually raked over the coals and thrown under the bus. Manny tests positive, says he's guilty and not appealing and we have a pity party. PT Barnum was totally right on. There's a fool born every minute and they all become baseball fans or writers.

499. HGM Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:24 PM (#3169519)

Manny did not test positive for steroids.

500. kwarren Posted: May 07, 2009 at 06:25 PM (#3169523)

but I still feel that they were clean.

There are no clean players in baseball (other then Griffey of course). It's like crying and ties. Why can't we all accept than and just move on.

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