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Sunday, January 04, 2009

LL: Cat’s Out of the Bag: Mariners hire Tom Tango as statistical consultant

Book ‘em, Blengino!

Remember how [Bill] Bavasi “used” Mat Olkin as a consultant except that the Ms were so backwards that a 1996 edition of the Sears holiday catalog would have been just as useful? Well, Blengino has his own consultant, but since we have a very good inkling that this administration actually cares about statistical analysis, the identity of the consultant is pretty damn important.

That person is Tom Tango.

Dedicated to Esoteric but he wasn't listening Posted: January 04, 2009 at 08:27 PM | 58 comment(s)
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   1. OCD SS  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 09:34 PM (#3043214)
Congrats, Tom. Don't be a stranger.
   2. Vaux, A.B.D.  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 09:37 PM (#3043215)
Well, I'm now a Mariner fan.
   3. Jim (jimmuscomp)  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 09:41 PM (#3043218)
Very, very cool news. As an Angel fan, I am more worried about the M's today than I was yesterday - for sure.
   4. Darren  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 09:50 PM (#3043221)
Now that will make things interesting.
   5. Joshua Gibsons Ruth (Voxter)  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 09:54 PM (#3043223)
My feeling about Tom Tango has always been that he was meant for big things by dint of his cool name. Sort of a Max Power kind of situation.
   6. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 09:57 PM (#3043225)
Very, very cool news. As an Angel fan, I am more worried about the M's today than I was yesterday - for sure.

Think Tom would listen if Scott Boras called? Oh and congratulations!
   7. Matt Clement of Alexandria  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 10:08 PM (#3043229)
I was totally never clear about the secrecy around "tangotiger". Is Tango really an alias? Or not? I thought someone said it was when The Book came out, but I never understood why it would be, and ultimately I never made any effort to figure it out. But now I want someone to explain it to me.
   8. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 10:12 PM (#3043230)
After reading the article, it looks like Blengino is the main stats guy and Tango and Olkin are there to do some research and legwork. Blengino seems to want to build his own stat staff very slowly if at all, preferring to do as much of the work himself as he has time to do. This doesn't sound like a big change from the previous system to me. It's simply Blengino as effectively Zduriencik's right hand rather than whoever was Bavasi's first assistant.
   9. Tripon  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 10:17 PM (#3043231)
My feeling about Tom Tango has always been that he was meant for big things by dint of his cool name. Sort of a Max Power kind of situation.

So how many hookers is Tango going to kill before Reno's finest solves the case?
   10. Walt Davis  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 10:31 PM (#3043235)
Well, now you know who to blame when Ichiro moves to SS. :-)
   11. Rough Carrigan  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 10:52 PM (#3043241)
MCoA. Obviously he went by "tangotiger" to avoid the ubiquitous and bedeviling jokes about his partner, Cash.
   12. Frank Rook  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 11:23 PM (#3043254)
From what I remember, Tom started going by Tom Tango rather than tangotiger because he heard from some that his work couldn't be taken seriously by everybody with the previous name, simlar to studes using the name Dave Studeman.
   13. StillFlash  Posted: January 04, 2009 at 11:56 PM (#3043270)
Before getting back into sabermetrics, I was very engrossed in genealogy, which means I know how to find things out about people. I've found birth certificates and marriage licenses for several celebrities who would not publicly state their age or maiden name.

From what I could find, Tom Tango appears to be his real name. There are people by that name who have lived in the places where he has been thought to have lived. That's all I'll say. lol
   14. PH  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:06 AM (#3043274)
Well that doesn't sound creepy at all.
   15. Monty  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:12 AM (#3043276)
It was the "lol" that put it over the top.
   16. Dedicated to Esoteric but he wasn't listening  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:19 AM (#3043279)
In my mind that "lol" reads like a terrifying, crazy-nervous giggle.
   17. McCoy  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:29 AM (#3043288)
It is truly amazing the amount of data one can find on the net with only one or two pieces of data initially.

It is even scarier when you run into people who have access to non-free databases.

I have a paranoid aunt who uses her real estate databases to find out virtually everything one can find out about people that would be stored digitally.
   18. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:34 AM (#3043290)
"Tom Tango" isn't a real name, and neither is "Dave Studeman"? There are people on the internet named David Studeman, at the very least. Search for that and you get someone helping someone else with a stuck keyboard.

Oh, the uncertainty!
   19. KJOK  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 01:25 AM (#3043304)
From what I could find, Tom Tango appears to be his real name. There are people by that name who have lived in the places where he has been thought to have lived. That's all I'll say. lol


No, it's not his real name, at leat not the "Tango" part. He's said that he was the victim of identity theft in the past, so declines to use his real name in any public way.
   20. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 01:36 AM (#3043310)
It was only a decade or so ago that....um, that guy, whatever his name was (Mike Gerber?) had a disastrous and embarrassing period as the statman for Dan Duquette's Red Sox, such that it seemed like no team would look for a similar employee anytime soon. And now teams are so comfortable with the idea that the Mariners are proud to be assisted by a statman who insists on being referred to publicly by a pseudonym.
   21. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 02:11 AM (#3043317)
I thought Dave Studeman was a real name. Tom Tango is not a real name, nor is Andy Dolphin.
   22. David Nieporent (now, with child)  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 02:14 AM (#3043319)
It was only a decade or so ago that....um, that guy, whatever his name was (Mike Gerber?) had a disastrous and embarrassing period as the statman for Dan Duquette's Red Sox, such that it seemed like no team would look for a similar employee anytime soon.
Mike Gimbel.
   23. Dag Nabbit: formerly tolerant of lactose  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 02:31 AM (#3043322)
I thought Dave Studeman was a real name.

It's really close: -mund. He usually the proper spelling of his last name on the book, but not the website.
   24. Voros  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 05:26 AM (#3043335)
"Tango" is not Tom's last name. But he's been pretty clear about sticking to that name only for his work, so folks should probably just respect that.

God knows I'm not really one to talk since my real first name is "Robert." Like Tom though half of my name is the real deal, just the different half. Though someone who tries to steal my identity to empty my bank accounts and apply for credit cards in my name is going to be very disappointed in the end results.

He'll probably get arrested, though he'll probably be let go once he convinces the police he's not me.
   25. Craig Calcaterra  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 06:09 AM (#3043340)
Voros: I've always liked your nom de plume. It reminds me of a Bond villain's name. As someone else noted, Tango's seems like some kind of 1980s action star. At the risk of seeming even creepier than genealogy guy up there, I'll say that I can totally picture Tango pursuing you across continents to stop your dastardly plans (with the plans involving weather satellites and stuff).
   26. Duffy Duff  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 07:09 AM (#3043342)
I honestly know Tango's real name.

I offered to sell the info to Blago in return for the Senate seat, but he was busted before he could accept. :)
   27. Jeff K.  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 07:14 AM (#3043343)
God knows I'm not really one to talk since my real first name is "Robert." Like Tom though half of my name is the real deal, just the different half. Though someone who tries to steal my identity to empty my bank accounts and apply for credit cards in my name is going to be very disappointed in the end results.

Ah, but think of the rest of us. I plan to use your name and connections to advance my theories about baseball! With the combination of my raw genius and the McCracken name, nothing can stop me! Muahahahaha
   28. Jeff K.  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 07:15 AM (#3043344)
Also, if I were your parents, there is zero chance your first name would not be Phil. No way I could resist. I'd hate myself for every second of my life that I wasn't still laughing about it, which would be about an even split.
   29. Voros  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 08:15 AM (#3043350)
Also, if I were your parents, there is zero chance your first name would not be Phil. No way I could resist. I'd hate myself for every second of my life that I wasn't still laughing about it, which would be about an even split.

Jeff K sounds like you have a plan. Just watch out for the collection agents and Larry Lucchino.
   30. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 08:27 AM (#3043353)
Tom Tango is not a real name, nor is Andy Dolphin.


Dolphin sounded made up, but I didn't know that.

Crispix, the guys last name was Gimbel or Gimble; but not Gumble.

Ah, but think of the rest of us. I plan to use your name and connections to advance my theories about baseball! With the combination of my raw genius and the McCracken name, nothing can stop me! Muahahahaha

But there is or used to be a photo of Voros on the net. You're plan might work if you're only contact with clients is online or phone or text. Unless you consider cosmetic surgery, you're a dead guy if you have to have a face to face meeting.

As for me, I'm pretending to be Dial. I'm this far from the Mets hiring me to work for Atlanta.
   31. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 08:33 AM (#3043354)
My real name is not Larry Mahnken. It's actually Voros Dolphin-Tango.
   32. Jeff K.  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 08:40 AM (#3043356)
Jeff K sounds like you have a plan. Just watch out for the collection agents and Larry Lucchino.

Please. I get the contacts even with my own name. The "unknown" replacing caller ID information, the having a machine call to tell when you answer the phone, the constant harassment. I swear I'm filing a restraining order against Lucchino.

But there is or used to be a photo of Voros on the net. You're plan might work if you're only contact with clients is online or phone or text. Unless you consider cosmetic surgery, you're a dead guy if you have to have a face to face meeting.

Look, if I could make up a name like Voros McCracken, I can fake a picture on the internet. Hell, if I could walk without stumbling, I can fake a picture on the internet. Hell, YOU could do it.
   33. Keith Law  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 08:45 AM (#3043359)
"Keith Law" is also a pseudonym. My real name is Mr. Keith Law.
   34. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 08:50 AM (#3043362)
I hope Repoz gets hired by a team so that I can get hired to translate reports like "Andruw Jones had the most disappointing year for a pilsnery doughboy since ... Jim Koplik tabbed Leslie West and Mountain to open for the MC5 on their comeback tour."
   35. TVerik and his cavalcade of whimsy  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 09:11 AM (#3043369)
I really wouldn't feel that bad if I couldn't pay my bills anymore and they sent a dude named "Repoz" out to get back all of the stuff I was paying on installments.

I'd be like, "Oh, well."
   36. AJM  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 09:27 AM (#3043382)
God knows I'm not really one to talk since my real first name is "Robert."

You should've went with Ernie instead of Voros.
   37. Phenomenal Smith  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 09:53 AM (#3043403)
I just threw up.
   38. Dag Nabbit: formerly tolerant of lactose  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 10:44 AM (#3043454)
My real name is not Larry Mahnken. It's actually Voros Dolphin-Tango.

Sounds like some kinda army code. Do you have a cousin named Charlie Delta Bravo?
   39. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 10:49 AM (#3043458)
It was only a decade or so ago that....um, that guy, whatever his name was (Mike Gerber?) had a disastrous and embarrassing period as the statman for Dan Duquette's Red Sox


His name was Mark Garber and he believed that the keys to his team's success included signing the greatest player of all time (Pete Rose) as well as the greatest pitcher of all time (Nolan Ryan).
   40. 6 - 4 - 3  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 10:57 AM (#3043461)
the keys to his team's success included signing the greatest player of all time (Pete Rose)

Wasn't that Roger "cordially, as always" Maynard.
   41. Pops Freshenmeyer  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 11:16 AM (#3043473)
Strangely enough, this is my real name.
   42. Tango  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 11:19 AM (#3043475)
Thanks to those who expressed their support.

I've seen "Andy Dolphin" in his work email address, and in all his thesis papers (available right on his site).
   43. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 11:22 AM (#3043479)
I thought this was Garber:

Pete Rose is the greatest hitter ever because he has the most hits!!
   44. snapper  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 11:31 AM (#3043483)
Thanks to those who expressed their support.

Tom,

Congratulations! Does this new gig mean you will have to suspend your publication activity?
   45. JoeHova  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:02 PM (#3043505)
Congratulations to Tom, I've always enjoyed his stuff and "The Book" (as well as the related blog) is great stuff. I hope the M's give his work the weight it deserves in their decision making.
   46. Basil Ganglia  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:10 PM (#3043513)
My real name is not Basil Ganglia. But I'm not saying which parts aren't real.
   47. Jack Keefe  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:26 PM (#3043530)
Hey Al now they are all up set because the Marinades have signed this kid to do their spread Sheets for them and his name is Tom Tango which is not his real name so how will he pick up his pay Paquette. Well Al it is a lessor known fact that among us Major Leaguers there are few who use a real name. Ozzie Guillen's real name is Lee Harvey Oswaldo Zangara Czolgosz y Guiteau but he said I should never utter it allowed. A.J. Pierogi's real name is Brad Pitt which he hates because always thinks the tablet in the checkout line in the Piggly Wiggly is about him. Doug Mientkiewicz's real name is John Doe. German Die's real name is Ambiorix Burgos and he says there is some guy named Ambiorix Burgos whose real name is Jim Thome. Now as for Yours Truly you know me Al my real name is Jack Keefe but I do not exist which will cross you up as I always say if you want to steal my identity you are welcome to it but you will end up pitching sixth innings of 10-run games for the Chi. White Sox for the league minimum which you are never paid and you never even appear in Baseball Reference. Being a fictive hero is not all it is McCracked up to be Al.
   48. StillFlash  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:35 PM (#3043539)
Sorry, didn't mean to sound creepy. Tango sounded like a unique name, but maybe it was French. I looked it up once, there are real people actually named Tom Tango, so it looked legit, and I never went back to it.
   49. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:47 PM (#3043546)
I thought everyone knew Tango's real name was spelled "Luxury Yacht" (pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove).
   50. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:47 PM (#3043547)
Quick question. Any of you guys aware of Sarah Bernhardt?
   51. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:50 PM (#3043549)
Quick question. Any of you guys aware of Sarah Bernhardt?


The silent film star?
   52. Fumbduck Joe Bivens  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:55 PM (#3043555)
BING!
   53. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 12:57 PM (#3043558)
Sarah Bernhardt, the guy the Reds just hired as a stat consultant? Sure, I even know his real name.
   54. Jim Wisinski is waiting till next year  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 01:01 PM (#3043561)
My real name is in fact ZTigerX (no last name). I merely switched to using my "real name" years ago in an elaborate hoax to eventually become commissioner of Major League Baseball.
   55. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 01:05 PM (#3043566)
ZTigerX (no last name)? Of the Ocala (no last name)s? Did you have an aunt or a cousin named Julia?
   56. Zac Schmitt  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 02:56 PM (#3043692)
a couple of weeks ago i was reading a review in the times for a new book about shakespeare's influence on the modern that mentioned sarah bernhardt having played hamlet. what weird congruence. in fact, i'm thinking of now using the name as a pseudonym, both in honor of the coincidence itself and because tango and voros have scared the crap out of me.
   57. Zach  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3043897)
Way to go Tango!

I think to preserve your secret identity, you should start dropping red herrings in the mode of Dr. Evil:


The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
   58. Jason Kendall's #6,530,420,771 fan (AS)  Posted: January 05, 2009 at 05:57 PM (#3043915)
HEY GUYS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS THREAD?
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