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Sunday, December 13, 2009

Madden: New York Mets make noise, but landing free agent slugger Jason Bay is doubtful

Tougher to say HOF Jim Rice or HOF Bill Madden?

The Madden HOF ballot…

Alomar
Larkin
Edgar
J. Morris
Blyleven
Dawson

Bert Blyleven - Needs to make up 13% and has been gaining steadily each year. How long can a pitcher who ranks fifth all-time in strikeouts, to go along with 287 wins, be kept out? And, with 60 shutouts, how is it going to be explained to Blyleven in the future when the writers start voting in pitchers from the pitch-count era with zero career shutouts?

Jack Morris - “Black Jack’s” disappointing 40-ish% showing each year is presumably reflective of his career 3.90 ERA and the absence of any Cy Young hardware on his mantle. But voters really need to look past that and judge him on the fact that he was the ace of just about every staff he pitched on (as evidenced by his 14 Opening Day starts) and that he was one of the greatest postseason pitchers of all time (4-2, 2.96 in three World Series). He also led the AL in wins twice, was a five-time All-Star and holds the all-time record for putouts by a pitcher.

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   1. adenzeno Posted: December 13, 2009 at 11:57 AM (#3411196)
Will Tim Rained get in? Why is he not in?
   2. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 12:06 PM (#3411198)
He also led the AL in wins twice, was a five-time All-Star and holds the all-time record for putouts by a pitcher.


This line makes me picture a garage sale.
   3. How to lose a guy in jemile weeks Posted: December 13, 2009 at 03:55 PM (#3411255)
I missed the "but" before "landing free agent slugger." My heart stopped at the prospect of Bay.
   4. Lassus: Posted: December 13, 2009 at 04:04 PM (#3411264)
He also led the AL in wins twice, was a five-time All-Star and holds the all-time record for putouts by a pitcher.

This line makes me picture a garage sale.


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   5. Sox Machine Posted: December 13, 2009 at 04:25 PM (#3411281)
I never heard of "Black Jack" Morris. Although I assume every Jack is called "Black Jack" at some point, just like every Jake is tagged "the Snake."
   6. Yankee Redneck is a Pinhead. Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3411325)
Can't go wrong with a Tom Waits reference #4.

And, oh yeah, BERT OR BUST.
   7. Downtown Bookie Posted: December 13, 2009 at 05:55 PM (#3411344)
He [Morris] was one of the greatest postseason pitchers of all time (4-2, 2.96 in three World Series).


3-2 4.87 in 4 ALCS.

You did say postseason didn't you, Bill?

I guess Bill Madden and I have different definitions for the word "greatest".

DB
   8. Walt Davis Posted: December 13, 2009 at 11:56 PM (#3411486)
Ken Holtzman, 4-1, 2.55 ERA in 3 WS
   9. Harold Posted: December 14, 2009 at 12:44 AM (#3411504)
I never heard of "Black Jack" Morris. Although I assume every Jack is called "Black Jack" at some point, just like every Jake is tagged "the Snake."

This is the first time I've heard Morris called "Black Jack". That was Jack McDowell's nickname.
   10. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: December 14, 2009 at 12:59 AM (#3411507)
And, with 60 shutouts, how is it going to be explained to Blyleven in the future when the writers start voting in pitchers from the pitch-count era with zero career shutouts?


I understand what he's getting at, but it ain't never going to happen. There's 16 active pitchers with at least 100 career starts and 0 shutouts. Few, if any of those guys will get even a single HOF vote. The best among them is Julian Tavarez.

There's some among the actives with 50 or more starts who could make some HOF noise, like Jurrjens or Kershaw. But if they are going to eventually have a HOF career, they will have to rack up more than a few shutouts.
   11. tl; dr (Voxter) Posted: December 14, 2009 at 02:00 AM (#3411518)
If Clayton Kershaw never throws a shutout, it means his arm had to be amputated in the winter of 2010.
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