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Friday, April 25, 2008

Maddux: ‘Closing’s got to be the hardest job in baseball’

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Don’t tell Greg Maddux that relievers are failed starting pitchers. Maddux, who has made 712 starts, said a closer has baseball’s toughest job because the mental burden is so great.

“When the closer messes up, you lose,” Maddux said, elaborating on comments he made Wednesday after closer Trevor Hoffman blew the save. “Anyone here can go 0-for-4—you can still win. A starting pitcher can get knocked out in the fifth—you can still win. A reliever can come in and walk the two guys he faces—you can still win.

“Mentally, closing’s got to be the hardest job in baseball.”

Maddux, who entered the majors in 1986, is amused how quickly people assume a good set-up reliever can shift into a closer’s role. “Everyone thinks it’s just physical thing—they don’t understand,” he said. “These guys who pitch before (the closer) have a good month and everyone’s like, ‘He should be the closer.’ It’s a little different. And that’s not to mention how a closer is the anchor point of the ‘pen.”

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   1. JRVJ (formerly Delta Socrates) Posted: April 25, 2008 at 02:36 PM (#2758584)
Well, there goes Maddux's reputation amongst Primates....
   2. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: April 25, 2008 at 02:40 PM (#2758591)
Maddux is trying to help his shitty closer feel better
   3. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: April 25, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#2758594)
Most likely.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 25, 2008 at 02:53 PM (#2758603)
Exhibit 953 on why we don't rely on players for baseball analysis.
   5. G.W.O. Posted: April 25, 2008 at 03:16 PM (#2758617)
Exhibit 953 on why we don't rely on players for baseball analysis
Except Maddux didn't say "Closing’s got to be the hardest job in baseball", he said "Mentally, closing’s got to be the hardest job in baseball".

And that's a big, big big difference. What he's saying is high leverage means high pressure.
   6. PASTE is not impressed by Albert Pujols (Zeth) Posted: April 25, 2008 at 03:20 PM (#2758620)
I agree with Greg; I think it's a little foolhardy to assume there's no mental element to a particular baseball player's job. That the Raccoon Lodge dramatically overblows something (mental toughness, in this case) doesn't make it nonexistent. In any occupation, some people handle high pressure situations better than others.

And anyhow, Maddux wasn't providing any baseball analysis that I could detect. He was stating his opinion about something.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 25, 2008 at 03:23 PM (#2758624)
Except Maddux didn't say "Closing’s got to be the hardest job in baseball", he said "Mentally, closing’s got to be the hardest job in baseball".

And that's a big, big big difference. What he's saying is high leverage means high pressure.


It's funny, b/c I was just reading "The Book" by Tom Tango et. al.

They find no difference in how relievers perform in "close" games versus other games. I've seen a very few examplkes where pitchers seemed to choke under pressure, but I doubt there's much there besides random fluctuation. These are all elite athletes, if they choked under pressure, they wouldn't be anywhere near the major leagues.
   8. Fly, the most judgment-free human being on Earth Posted: April 25, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2758646)
These are all elite athletes, if they choked under pressure, they wouldn't be anywhere near the major leagues.

Right. Or they'd be Zack Greinke or Rick Ankiel or Steve Blass or Matt Young. Players do crack under pressure, and I'm sure there's more pressure on a pitcher than most other players, and there's more pressure on the closer than a starter.

This doesn't mean that a closer is more valuable than a starter, just that Maddux is, at worst, close to right with his quote.
   9. Greg (U)K Posted: April 25, 2008 at 03:58 PM (#2758652)
Not to pick on anyone

But for a lock first ballot hall of famer, people sure spell Greg Maddux's name wrong a lot
   10. Fly, the most judgment-free human being on Earth Posted: April 25, 2008 at 03:59 PM (#2758654)
What do you mean? I spelled it right. Perfectly right.

Another edit: I actually did correct myself before reloading and seeing the above comment. It's not that I don't know how to spell it, I just didn't spell it right despite that knowledge.
   11. Greg (U)K Posted: April 25, 2008 at 04:05 PM (#2758659)
Yeah I think it's just a typo thing

Because clearly anyone posting on BTF knows how to spell it, and yet I see the "o" all the time here. Maybe it's a hold over from people who grew up with Garry Maddox?
   12. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 25, 2008 at 04:32 PM (#2758681)
But for a lock first ballot hall of famer, people sure spell Greg Maddux's name wrong a lot


Not as often as Cal Ripkin's.
   13. As foretold by the prophesy (JFSE) Posted: April 25, 2008 at 04:33 PM (#2758683)
Hmm... is it just me or Atlanta likes guys with hard to spell names? Teixeira, Francoeur, Saltalamacchia...
   14. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: April 25, 2008 at 04:41 PM (#2758687)
Not as often as Cal Ripkin's.

Or Mark McGuire.
   15. Dudefella Posted: April 25, 2008 at 04:42 PM (#2758688)
Hmm... is it just me or Atlanta likes guys with hard to spell names? Teixeira, Francoeur, Saltalamacchia...


...Smelts, Jonez...
   16. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 25, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2758694)
Or Mark McGuire.


I started to mention him, but he's only a former lock first ballot Hall of Famer.
   17. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 25, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2758695)
Right. Or they'd be Zack Greinke or Rick Ankiel or Steve Blass or Matt Young. Players do crack under pressure, and I'm sure there's more pressure on a pitcher than most other players, and there's more pressure on the closer than a starter.

What you describe is not what's under discussion, or you could've included Donnie Moore.
   18. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: April 25, 2008 at 04:48 PM (#2758697)
Hmm... is it just me or Atlanta likes guys with hard to spell names? Teixeira, Francoeur, Saltalamacchia...


...Smelts, Jonez...


Booby Cocks.
   19. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 25, 2008 at 05:05 PM (#2758716)
Rusty, I resisted that joke, why couldn't you? For shame. (Although the "Booby" was a touch I hadn't considered.)
   20. Greg Schuler Posted: April 25, 2008 at 05:08 PM (#2758720)
I thought being on someone's leg in the shower and not getting caught was the hardest job in baseball.

Oh, and Mientkiewicz. Without looking it up.
   21. king cranium maximus IV Posted: April 25, 2008 at 05:09 PM (#2758721)
Maddux had a blast coming out of the pen in the '99 NLDS.

Between a hobbling/bad Brian Jordan going yard, Otis Nixon (!!!) getting a big hit, Walt Weiss' clutch defense, and the offical line of "Rocker-W, Millwood-S," Game 3 might be the best what-the-heck? game I can remember in my lifetime.
   22. John Lynch Posted: April 25, 2008 at 05:22 PM (#2758735)
As a nitpick, Maddux is wrong. Closers often get hung with blown saves that do not result in losses.
   23. Guy LeDouche Posted: April 25, 2008 at 05:28 PM (#2758739)
"I thought being on someone's leg in the shower"


Wow, that's even worse than what Guy thought you were trying to say. And gayer.
   24. Sox Machine Posted: April 25, 2008 at 05:31 PM (#2758742)
Between a hobbling/bad Brian Jordan going yard, Otis Nixon (!!!) getting a big hit, Walt Weiss' clutch defense, and the offical line of "Rocker-W, Millwood-S," Game 3 might be the best what-the-heck? game I can remember in my lifetime.


Game 3 of the 2005 series was pretty good too. W-Marte S-Buehrle. Geoff Blum's homer, 10 walks in seven innings by the Sox bullpen, only one run allowed.
   25. T.J. Posted: April 25, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#2758752)
Going off-sport:

"Farve"

And a name that's not misspelled near as much as you'd think it would be: "Krzyzewski"
   26. Roy Hobbs of WIFFLE Ball Posted: April 25, 2008 at 08:00 PM (#2758871)
What do you know, Greg Maddux?! Oh wait, you're Greg Maddux. Never mind.
   27. Morally Excellent Posted: April 26, 2008 at 01:08 AM (#2759320)
Killerbrew. Eddie Matthews.
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: April 26, 2008 at 01:31 AM (#2759400)
Gene Michaels

Bobby Thompson
   29. PASTE is not impressed by Albert Pujols (Zeth) Posted: April 26, 2008 at 02:16 AM (#2759534)
Vito Chiaravalloti.
   30. Eric J. Seidman Posted: April 26, 2008 at 02:46 AM (#2759556)
Billy Spieieirs
   31. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: April 26, 2008 at 02:54 AM (#2759559)
Hu
   32. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: April 26, 2008 at 03:07 AM (#2759561)
Torriii
   33. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: April 26, 2008 at 03:15 AM (#2759567)
George W. Shithead
   34. Justin T contains indigenous nudity Posted: April 26, 2008 at 03:17 AM (#2759569)
Greg Cabernet
   35. Neil Kinnock...Lord Palmerston! (Orinoco) Posted: April 26, 2008 at 03:58 AM (#2759588)
33. arkitekton Posted: April 26, 2008 at 12:15 AM (#2759567)

George W. Shithead


I could mention Osama, but I wouldn't.
   36. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: April 26, 2008 at 04:03 AM (#2759591)
I could mention Osama, but I wouldn't.


Are you running McCain's campaign, by any chance? ;)
   37. Phenomenal Smith Posted: April 26, 2008 at 04:47 AM (#2759612)
The only difference between Obama and Osama is a beard.
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