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Monday, June 30, 2008
Manny Ramirez apologizes after altercation with Sox’ traveling secretary
Traveling secretary sent flying.
Manny Ramirez shoved Red Sox traveling secretary Jack McCormick to the ground in an argument over Ramirez’ ticket allotment. Several onlookers moved quickly to separate the two.
Ramirez had asked McCormick for 16 tickets for Saturday night’s Red Sox-Astros game, an unusually high number for day-of-game. In addition to handling all travel details for clubs, traveling secretaries also take player ticket requests for both home and away games.
When McCormick cautioned Ramirez that he might not be able to fulfill his request, Ramirez responded by shouting: “Just do your job!”
An argument insued and Ramirez pushed McCormick, sending him to the ground.
Later, the two met behind closed doors and Ramirez apologized to McCormick, who accepted the gesture. No further disciplinary action is expected against Ramirez.
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Maybe they need a new assistant to the traveling secretary.
If I'm Joe Torre, I carefully watch my players for any sign of insurrection over the next few days.
No wait, it's a HUGE story.
Well, it's probably something in between.
Just Manny being Manny being Belligerent.
No way he's not. He's a huge a-hole hitting somebody he knows won't fight back.
Just once I'd like one of these punks pick on a guy who turns out to be a black-belt in some funky martial art, who then proceeds to put said athlete on the 60-day DL.
* I'm glad that office assistants aren't known as much as secretary anymore so that those of us who hold secretarial offices in organizations don't have to feel a little feminized. Also that there is an increasing number of male office assistants.
** he couldn't
*** also, clipped balls
From Wiki:
Since the Renaissance until the late 19th century, men involved in the daily correspondence and the activities of the mighty had assumed the title of secretary (or in other cases, "clerk").
The term is derived from the [Latin] word secernere, "to distinguish" or "to set apart," the passive participle (secretum) meaning "having been set apart," with the eventual connotation of something private or confidential. A secretarius was a person, therefore, overseeing business confidentially, usually for a powerful individual (a king, pope, etc). As less influential posts became more feminine and common with the multiplication of bureaucracies in the public and private sectors, new words were also coined to describe them, such as personal assistant.
In the U.S. government, the most important executives have always been called secretaries. The Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense - those positions have never been feminized, although the usage of secretary in that way is now kind of archaic.
That's why it's a huge punk move by Manny.
It is indeed fortunate the Julio Lugo stepped in to separate them. "Take it out on your wife," he advised.
Please. Because there's so much physical contact in baseball.
Wait, what? You're joking, right?
I took it as a joke.
Can they trade him straight up for Shawn Chacon?
I've got it - Chacon asked Manny to get him and 15 friends seats right behind Ed Wade!
So what? The fund I work for is down over 30% this year but I don't go around pushing and screaming at people and I have a lot more to lose than Manny relative to our situations.
Not really a joke. If there is a dispute in your office, do all your co-workers leap into a pile and start whaling at each other? It was a shove, not a punch, though obviously a fairly hard one. Naughty Manny, but it's not the same as if he worked at IBM.
I'm going to take this as a joke, too.
I agree about the contract question; think they should exercise his first year option at the ASB and then start negotiating with Boras for 2010 and beyond in the offseason. In the early season, he had 6 months job security; by September, having only 1 month could well affect his game.
Why? Shouting and crying helps nothing.
Shooty's just anticipating the 30% drop for the end of the year. His managers will be loving him when the market bottoms out, while his fund holds steady. He'll go from looking like an idiot to looking like a genius. His fund will have "weathered the storm", so people will be buying in at the right time.
On a side note, I can't imagine how sick people must be who got into the market at 13K in early 07. Investing is like playing poker: if you can't afford to lose occasionally, you shouldn't be playing.
I wish--I'm just a stooge at the fund, not a decision maker. I'm the kind of guy that, when things get tight, they start wondering if they really need you around...
In fairness, they are starting a series with the Rays.
I dunno, Shooty, men are disarmed by other's men's tears. May need to hold onto that one as a last resort. Especially if they try and take a kidney or something to cover their loses.
Meh, they can have it if it comes down to it. I'll just move into my mother's basement. It's destiny...
He's made over $150M in his career. If he lets "job security" worry him, he must be the most fragile man on earth.
A team should NEVER exercise an option early. A lot of things can go wrong. Look at the Cards with Carpeneter.
You should set your goals higher. Move into someone else's mother's basement.
That's certainly understandable. I know how uptight I would be about my future if I were making only twenty million dollars this year. I doubt I would even be able to sleep at night!
You should set your goals higher. Move into someone else's mother's basement.
Does kevin have a basement? And is there room for me amidst all the chains and leather straps and lotions?
Sound advice.
Pinocchio loved those.
You might end up losing more than your religion.
Thought so.
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* OPS+ and ERA+ are most definitely part of the calculus of hierarchy.
I get this feeling, too. It looks like he's pressing at the plate and the lack of results might just be a slump, but also might be indicative a physical breakdown (he's had a few ABs where his leg as responded in a kind of wonky way).
Frankly if the contract angle is true, I look at it as a way to move him ala the Yankees and Sheffield. They find someplace that will take him for an extention and just tell Boras that they won't sign him long term, but will just pick up the option one at time, but if he wants more years guaranteed he should waive his NTC and negotiate in the window provided.
He should be suspended by the team for a game or two. But with this Rays series coming up, that obviously won't happen.
Dale Torborg almost did something like that with Antonio Alfonseca.
And a special thanks go out to the thought police, without whom no internet discussion is complete. I don't think any of us who have remarked on his contract situation are making excuses for him; we're mentioning reasons that this behavior might be occurring when it (by all reports) hasn't before this year.
Ah, Piazza jokes.
Ah, Piazza jokes.
I don't want to visualize it too much, but I think it may be a mixed metaphor. But also a Piazza joke.
Especially given the power dynamic. If he went after Theo, he'd at least have to worry about getting hit back. This is like hitting a woman.
As for punishment, I don't think a suspension would be useful here and would likely get the union up in arms anyway.
From TFA: "An argument insued and Ramirez pushed McCormick, sending him to the ground."
(I'm kidding, I like McAdam quite a bit, but I think the point stands. Hard to be certain that the story is 100% as framed here.)
If this is true, I hope Manny is suspended, officially, for at least a game or two. About time the MLBPA took the PR hit they've had coming for a while, and ######## about a player getting suspended for assaulting an employee would do the trick nicely.
It would have been just wonderful poetic justice if this secretary guy had said "F-this useless job", when on the ground, and kicked Manny in the leg, breaking his ankle. I'm sure all the Shawn Chacon and Manny apologists would have applauded him. Maybe he grew up in a bad neighborhood where if you didn't defend yourself, all the other travelling secretaries would think you were a punk, and your life would be in danger.
If the UFC teaches the world anything, it's not to start stupid fights. That secretary coulda gone all Royce Gracie on Lord Manfred's ass and left him face down in the terlit.
Manny: "Uh, I might not be able to do that."
Secretary: "Just do your job!"
What Manny did to Costanza is exactly what Chacon did to Wade.
Worse. Manny knew there'd be no consequences from attacking a nameless staffer. At least Chacon had something to lose, and did, about $1M.
What if Alex Rodriguez had done this?
I doubt the secretary really cares if he gets slapped.
Seriously, if the Red Sox had any integrity, they would suspend Manny for at least 5 games without pay.
I don't know that I agree but I respect your consistency with this vis-a-vis Chacon/Wade.
Not really the point.
If the secretary really was an MMA stud in his spare time and ended up handing Manny his ass, he would have been:
1. Fired
2. Blackballed
3. Sued
4. Subjected to whatever other means, legal or otherwise, that a multi-millionaire(Ramirez) and a multi-multi-millionaire (Henry) would have deemed necessary to make his life a living Hell
Actually all of that would be probably true even if he was your average untrained office-dweller but made any effort to defend himself and/or retaliate...
A real man doesn't kick ankles.
Re: #89, see #57.
Ramirez and Henry wouldn't have make his life hell, RSN would.
For a clear case of self-defense? I'm no ambulance-chaser but I'm pretty sure if a much larger professional athlete assaults you and shoves you to the ground your options are more varied than "curl up in a ball and whimper like the worm you are". The one whose life would be hell would be Half-A-Manny, exposed for the sissified bully he was, his every attempt at legal recourse returning him to late-night comedy fodder.
Whimper? No, that's not your only option. But, in that situation, retaliation is not one of your options, at least if you want to stay within the law. It's only self-defense if the person claiming the justification could reasonably believe, given the circumstances, that he was still in immediate danger if he didn't defend himself and, in some states, that there was no chance to retreat from the fight (although, come to think of it, Texas is probably a stand-your-ground state). There's a lot of play in the joints but, bottom line, a lot of what people think are "clear cases of self-defense," ain't.
edit: You know what? Go Yanks, too. Screw the Red Sox.
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