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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Tuesday, January 06, 2009Marchman: A theoretical Hall of Fame ballot, pt. 2
BTW…Raines has now climbed up to 27.9%. Repoz
Posted: January 06, 2009 at 09:03 AM | 12 comment(s)
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I don't know ... positional/defensive value is one of the items that gives me some pause on Raines's candidacy, and I don't recall seeing much evidence, statistical or anecdotal, that suggests that he was of much value in left field, let alone that he would have been a good centerfielder if only Dawson wasn't there. Looking it up, Dawson got moved off of center before Raines's age 24 season. Raines was still pretty new to the outfield in general at that time, so I don't see why the Expos wouldn't try to move him to center at that point unless they thought he couldn't handle it. Or maybe Marchman is referring to Herm Winningham as a "star."
It seems to me that Raines's direct comparables are Gwynn, Henderson, Molitor, maybe Boggs, Biggio, Alomar, and Larkin. The ones that are in so far have 3,000 hits. I don't see Raines going in unless Alomar and Larkin go in easily.
Let's not forget studs like Dave Martinez, Mitch Webster, and Otis Nixon.
I remember an interview with Roy Firestone in the late 80's where Raines said he played left because he didn't have the arm for right or center. He probably could have handled CF range wise, but even he admitted his arm wasn't up to the task.
They did - Raines played 160 games in center in 1984, before being moved back to left. Anyone have any kind of evaluation of his performance that year?
TotalZone says -2.
No matter where Raines could have played, he played 1966 games in LF and 165 in CF. His value is hurt by the fact that his comparison group is LF but "could have played CF" doesn't change that one bit. Such an argument becomes stranger given Raines was given one season of CF at age 24 then moved back to LF. In that age 25 season, Dawson still got 164 innings and 21 starts in CF -- why weren't those given to Raines? After that age 24 season, Raines spent 2.7 innings in CF.
We don't have any evidence suggesting he could cut in CF and a good bit of evidence that he couldn't (mainly 1966 games in LF). To my knowledge we don't even have any evidence that he was a good defensive LF.
I'll say it again -- if you want to make a persuasive case for Raines for the HoF, you change his position to "leadoff hitter" and you claim he was the 3rd greatest leadoff hitter of all-time (Henderson, Rose). The only debate will be around whether he was better than Brock. But I am confident that you will convince more voters that the 3rd (or even 4th) greatest leadoff hitter of all-time deserves to go in than you will convince Raines was really a CF in disguise.
I agree with Mr. Davis that it shouldn't be a factor in evaluating Raines' Hall worthiness, but it's still something to keep in mind.
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