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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Thursday, September 25, 2008MASN: Kubatko: Jim Palmer on MooseWhich trumps Wade Boggs on Horse.
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Posted: September 25, 2008 at 09:40 PM | 20 comment(s)
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This would be a good time to inform Jim that he doesn't have to put in a call to Elias to obtain that information.
Baby steps.
Actually, Jim had a great line during an early Yankee game, back when the O's had at least a few pitchers from Opening Day who hadn't gone on the DL. Something like, if Mussina had Kennedy's fastball, he'd be able to go out there and win 19 games, easy.
This amused me, but Palmer's a homer for players he saw doing things "The Oriole Way," and Mussina certainly qualifies.
Sigh. "Cachet" is misused AND spelled incorrectly.
1. an official seal, as on a letter or document.
2. a distinguishing mark or feature; stamp: Courtesy is the cachet of good breeding.
3. a sign or expression of approval, esp. from a person who has a great deal of prestige.
4. superior status; prestige: The job has a certain cachet.
Wasn't he talking about the old place? I'll RTFA.
I'd back up a minute before saying that.
BB-Ref. says Camden Yards was a hitter's park up through 1995, but from 1996 through 2000 (Mussina's last year in Baltimore) it became a pitcher's park. At least according to the ballpark factor numbers.
But this one of those cases that bears closer examination. In 1996 the CY park factors were 95/94, and yet this was also a year where the Orioles hit 257 home runs. And while "only" 121 of those home runs were in Baltimore, that still projects to an overall level of 242, a total that would have constituted a Major League record for most of baseball's history. By comparison, the 1961 Yankees hit 240.
What I take from that isn't that Mussina gained any real advantage from pitching in Camden Yards, but that he was at a particular disadvantage from having to pitch in that era. The fact that there may have been even worse bandboxes doesn't mean that Camden Yards itself wasn't a pitcher's nightmare.
That's how it seemed at the time, too, at least to my eyes. Seemingly routine fly balls used to fly out of Camden. I don't know why that changed, but apparently the perception still hasn't.
As for Palmer, he can be insufferably boring as he rambles his way through O's games, but he is smarter than many announcers. Every now and then, buried within the babble, he'll drop a nugget that makes you realize he's figured some things out. Maybe he learned things from jousting with Earl.
I always though of Mussina as the next generation Jim Palmer, at least until he became a Yankee. To bad the Orioles didn't have the same quality of supporting cast.
Q. What's "The Oriole Way"?
A. Leaving the Orioles.
Yeah, maybe Maddux was consistent, but lets not go out on a limb and say he definitely was.
I agree that the replacement of older, roomier dual-use stadiums with Camden-like clones probably eliminated the competitive disadvantage Mussina pitched under early in his career, but it still made for a tough pitching environment. Going against a DH his entire career, much of it during the steroids era, in the AL East (usually one of the better divisions) also contributes to that environment. Under these circumstances, if Moose isn't a Hall of Famer, it's a pretty small Hall.
This is my understanding as well, so in a sense it's a bandbox, but not a hitter's park. I do believe it favors righthanders moreso than lefthanders as well. It's death to doubles and triples though.
which'll make it a little more impressive if they become the first team with 3 guys to reach 50 in a season. Roberts, Markakis and Huff are at 51, 48, 48. Anybody who watches local broadcasts knows this because it's basically the only positive development they have to discuss lately.
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