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Baseball Primer Newsblog— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand
Monday, September 08, 2008
Damn…looks like Challenger will just stay home and tear the flesh off some unsuspecting sea otters.
This Thursday, all Major League Baseball teams will take the field wearing specially designed “Stars and Stripes” caps, part of the league’s Welcome Back Veterans initiative. (Barring rainouts, the Yankees and Mets won’t take part, as they’re off that day.) Following the games, the caps will be auctioned to raise money for veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.
There’s nothing wrong with helping veterans — no matter how you feel about America’s current wars, those returning from battle are in undeniable need of help — but doing so on September 11 turns a simple charity event into a troubling political statement. In past years, New York’s teams donned NYPD and FDNY caps to remember the 2,974 people who died that day (most of them in fact ordinary citizens who happened to be at the World Trade Center, not uniformed personnel), and call attention to the ongoing needs of first responders. By choosing instead to make the day about the wars that the U.S launched in the wake of 9/11, baseball is casting its lot with those who say the proper response to tragedy is to retaliate — and delivering a slap in the face to 9/11 family groups like Peaceful Tomorrows that are working to use the shared grief of victims of war and terror to build bridges to international understanding.
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That last post of yours (#713) shows a healthy sign of openmindedness. The bottom line of all this back and forth nitpicking is whether she (or any of the other three candidates) have the basic temperamental qualifications to be president:
1. Knowledge and understanding of issues, and a demonstrated intellectual curiosity.
2. Judgement ruled by facts rather than superimposed by ideology---not that you can't have an ideological (or ethical / religious) framework to guide you, but that you have to recognize the round peg / square hole problem when it's staring you straight in the face.
3. The ability to work with others with whom you disagree, both on the domestic and international scenes.
3. The tendency to keep your word.
4. The tendency not to deal in personal attacks, or misrepresent your opponent's POV in order to score a rhetorical point.
5. The ability to admit a mistake before it's become impossible not to.
These are not ideologically based standards, and it's pretty basic stuff that doesn't require any particularly saintly qualities to adhere to.
We'll see what she's made of by how she (and the others) holds to these standards over the next seven weeks.
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that story - it's just Ohio, hardly a swing state.
That's exactly how it works. You have people that post and think they are reasonable and moderate and those that disagree with them, they get to insult. If insults come back, then they expect to have those people kicked off.
Wow, that hit close to home.
1, 2, one of the 3s, yes. I'm not sure what the other 3, 4, or 5 have to do with qualifications to be president. We may aesthetically prefer a president who doesn't engage in personal attacks, but I don't see what that has to do with whether someone can do a good job as president. (I guess whether "5" is relevant depends on whether by "admit a mistake" you mean admitting it to the public or whether you mean admitting it to yourself and being willing to change course. The former is, again, an aesthetic issue; the latter is crucial.)
I don't understand this attitude at all. The last eight years have been a disaster for this country. We invaded another country based on false premises, and are still stuck there 5 years later. The economy stinks. The federal government is in shambles. 75-80% of this country thinks it's on the wrong track. I see no reason to think McCain and Palin will be any better than Bush and Cheney, and 4 more years of that same sort of leadership will leave the country in an enormous hole. From what we know about her -- and, again, that's very, very little -- Palin in particular seems like an even worse version of Bush: overconfident, anti-intellectual, stubborn, incurious. Can the US recover? Of course, but a McCain and/or Palin admin. would leave us in a deep, deep hole.
The Palin pick, at bottom, shows that the GOP and McCain do not care at all about governance. They care only about winning, and what happens after they win is relatively unimportant. To them, politics is pure sports: they simply want their team to beat the other guys.
The ultimate nightmare scenario remains the same: a nuclear bomb goes off in Washington DC and no one claims responsibility for it. Do I think that would happen under a McCain or Palin presidency? No, but I think we as a country get incrementally closer to that possibility than we would with Obama at the helm. In my worldview, then, worrying about the fact that I might pay (significantly) more tax when I start making over $250k doesn't come even close to a voting decision for me, even if I think that such tax policies are bad for the country's economy.
So it is a pretty crappy article. But I enjoy it, because it doesn't require any effort at all to see it as unintended comedy.
Of course, if he didn't assume that (and I think it's pretty clear he did assume that, in spite of the ongoing back and forth in this thread on the subject), he'd be accused of condescending to her, and thinking that she wasn't prepared to answer those hardball foreign relations questions. Because of sexism, of course, because, really, what else could it possibly be?
If you think the current economy stinks when compared to 79-80, you are misinformed.
To them, politics is pure sports: they simply want their team to beat the other guys.
If you think this only applies to "them" I can understand your confusion as to the economy. After all, how many seven year-olds really understand macro-economics.
This is the most hilarious Freudian slip in the history of hilarious Freudian slips. (Unless you intended to type "Osama," in which case your post is self-refuting.)
3. The tendency to keep your word.
1, 2, one of the 3s, yes. I'm not sure what the other 3, 4, or 5 have to do with qualifications to be president.
I don't get the two part reference to # 3 here.
4. The tendency not to deal in personal attacks, or misrepresent your opponent's POV in order to score a rhetorical point.
We may aesthetically prefer a president who doesn't engage in personal attacks, but I don't see what that has to do with whether someone can do a good job as president.
It's not necessarily fatal, but it makes it a lot harder to do your job when your poll numbers start slipping and people remember what you were like when you could "afford" to be gratuitous, and wash their hands of you. Not to mention that it's not an admirable character trait in general.
5. The ability to admit a mistake before it's become impossible not to.
(I guess whether "5" is relevant depends on whether by "admit a mistake" you mean admitting it to the public or whether you mean admitting it to yourself and being willing to change course. The former is, again, an aesthetic issue; the latter is crucial.)
I agree that the second part is far more important, but there are times when the first part is also crucial. One example that comes to mind: Kennedy's almost immediate willingness to shoulder the blame for the Bay of Pigs fiasco was an early sign that he had the sort of qualities needed to be a good president---one's ideological differences with him aside.
Does any supporter of any politician ever have a problem with that politician lying? It's only the other side's lies that matter, right?
oops. Hey it happens, it happens to lots of people more important then me actually.
Generally, maybe, but I agree with Obama on most stuff and disagree with Palin on most stuff, and I have said that I think the exp issue is a wash and overstated.
It's an arguable point, I suppose. I don't think who is president really affects when that day will come. Neither of these guys is going to let the terrorists do any damn thing they want and neither will so overwhelm the terrorists with love that they give up the fight. I think they differ on Iraq; I don't think they differ on Al Qaeda and other groups. And these groups hate America - maybe for a variety of reasons, but it isn't like they'll see Obama, a very western mind, in the White House and decide to give up the fight. His trying to talk to them may just piss them off more.
And, besides, if you think a nuke suddenly going off in DC is a possibility, you should be rooting for McCain/Palin given your preferences. ;)
Me too. Stop wasting time on the net and get some work done.
My compliments, FWIW, to go with Andy's.
EDIT: Besides, if this happens, isn't it more likely that the Secretary of Agriculture or someone becomes President than that Palin does?
Yes, but you're a cool, calm, thoughtful guy.
At least that is what your mom keeps saying. (By the way, I had a look at your zinger in the other thread. I'm deeply sorry I missed that in real time. What a shot!)
It may be arguable, but I agree. I have a lot of reasons for voting against McCain, but that ain't among them. These guys hate the USA (and other countries)and want to hurt it, whoever the pres is. I guess one could say that a woman in office might get them even more crazed.
Because fans from that general area of the country will be stuck with the Orioles again.
Okay, I hadn't considered that.
If President McCain dies Jan. 25, 2009, she should immediately start taunting Al Qaeda. They'd go even more nuts and just start spontaneously combusting. She could give the speech with a little ankle showing.
I can see the Russian Bear from my back yard. Or maybe that is just a lard ass at the country club. Close enough.
Bears can wear plaid pants?
If left unchecked by a strong military presence, yes.
If left unchecked by a strong military presence, yes.
Damn you NAFTA!
Can anyone explain how a candidate who polls poorly with elderly voters and is running in a tight race in Florida can possibly release the ad the Obama campaign released today?
Does he have any sort of shot at Florida? Nothing I've read all year suggests he does.
I think she comes off a little better here. I like that she's talking more about transparency in government spending (which is pretty unequivocally admirable) instead of implying (hypocritically) that she has always been against all earmarks as she and McCain have over the past week. She also definitely sounds more in-touch on social issues than the Democrats have been trying to paint her.
Fox/Rasmussen poll of 500 likely voters released on 9/7 had it a dead heat. Most other recent polls have McCain leading, but not overwhelmingly. OTOH, the Obama campaign doesn't seem to be trying to win Florida.
Maybe it was the Golden Bear, Jack Nicklaus
Say something once, why say it again?
And you got the beat.
Is that because of his forced "vacation"
"Todd Palin subpoenaed"
Did he do steroids
No, he but I heard he wanted to withdraw from the American Governors' Spouses Association.
Charlie, I believe the terrorist in the Iraq, such as, the fundamentalist threats, such as, Charlie, defend our way of life Charlie, such as Charlie.
You had two items labeled #3 in your original post.
-- MWE
Is it always moose season up there or what?
retro said it meant I have high BTF peak value but urged me not to stick around too long and make everyone watch a long, embarrassing decline phase.
Too late already, I suppose.
Is it always moose season up there or what?
Yes.
Except when it's duck season.
Or rabbit season.
It happened once and it can happen again.... Heh, heh, heh.
But I'm doing well with my 45 kid class and then seem enthused about the language. I've been trying to use my "prep periods" to meet with the classes that have no teacher so they feel like someone gives a crap about them.
And the social justice kids are on a whole other level this year--already out interviewing kids with no teacher on their own and writing up a narrative to give to the press. We think our school will be targeted for closure in Spring 2010, so they are trying to build mass resistance now instead of waiting until too late. They've been very present in those teacherless classes--sometimes even just going in and teaching the kids. We are also up to 0.6% non-African American, which isn't exactly Brown v. Board, but it's 6 times the integration we had when I started at the school.
Blatant plug to my rich friends here at BTF: We are trying to fundraise for social justice oriented scholarships now and also travel funds for our kids to buy bus passes, secure travel to NOLA and Osaka, JPN, etc. (we usually can't afford school buses which isn't a bad thing if we get the passes--it's more empowering for them to use the public transporation). So if anyone is interested in donating anything, shoot me an email and I'd be elated to connect you to our school or fiscal agent. Of course, you could get a copy of the year end report of accomplishments and how we spend our money.
Dan and Jim and friends: I'm not sure if that's appropriate, so please edit it or email me if it's not.
Too late already, I suppose.
I didn't urge you not to stick around. I only urged you not to subject us to embarrassing throwaway "your mom" references that put your luminous peak to shame. As long as you're still productive, there'll always be a place for you on the roster, even if you never recapture that old glory.
And FWIW, just thinking about your "pro-abortion/so's your mom" line still cracks my ass up.
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Sometimes people get pissed about being asked for money in spaces not designed for that purpose, even if it is done as nicely as E-X did it.
bunyon suggested that we change it to "So's the Palin Family" IIRC. Maybe to keep it bipartisan, we could go with that and "So's Obama's Grandma." I kind of like "So's Bristol Palin" along with "So's Obama's grandma."
Change the latter to "So's the Obama Mama Mama", and I'll agree, only because it'll be even more fun to say than Bob Loblaw.
As long as you're not teaching those kids vulgar French poetry, it'll probably be okay.
Dan eased my suspension a few days early, but warned he better not come back from his trip and find the complete works of DH Lawrence pasted to a Pedroia thread.
That would undoubtedly provoke a 20-page war with kevin.
Disclaimer: The above commentary is intended as humor and is in no way meant as a criticism of Jim, Dan, or any other site moderator or contributor. The late Alex Perros finds the entire incident quite humorous, including his emails proclaiming innocence regarding the tempest. Even in heated political debate at a baseball site, we should all take a step back, credit our adversaries as honest opponents, and resist the temptation to take the low road of the Bush operatives running John McCain's campaign.
In this way, we all can all transform the shared grief of victims of war and terror to build bridges to international understanding and many peaceful tomorrows.
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The Reptilian Always Wins
[Middle English roven, to shoot arrows at a mark]
Explains why Republicans so often win... and why many of us live in our mother's basements.
Thanks to #782 for the executive summary.
It appears in posts 3076 and 3077 of said thread.
/self-promotion
Yeah, that was money. There were actually several good cracks on that particular page, but yours was the chicken dinner.
Stuff like that is what keeps me coming back.
I didn't see anything in the paper, the next day.
I didn't see anything in the paper, the next day.
Only because they never found the bodies...
How did we arrive at the point where education, intellect, and thoughtful discussion are things to be dismissed? If she didn't want to answer certain questions, why not change the subject fruitfully, and tell us why drilling is a good idea, how long it will take to see the benefits, what we'll do in the meantime, and what other measures will complement drilling? Surely as the Governor of Alaska she knows to excess the substantive details of those things? Something like that should have be as natural to her as the discussion of OPS is here.
More from Rapaille:
Of course, there are variations within every culture -- some Americans are French, some German, and some still want to go native.
Don't know if they did that in '04. Good idea, though. If the election is a late-into-the-night, nip-and-tuck affair, (IMO it will be) and there is an election night thread, I think it will smash all previous post records. Here is my prediction on the BTF vote, with a nod to baseball chick:
Obama 8000
Barr 4
McCain 3
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Perfect. The Gaff-0-Matic strikes again, this time without
uttering a single narcissistic syllable.
And next we'll learn he "wrote off" the hair plugs.
/drive by
Wonder how much Biden collected in per diem tax money for his travel and meals to his home in Delaware.
If he was writing some off, he probably was writing off everything. He didn't give a lot to charity. Maybe he volunteered somewhere, but he didn't give much.
I know he is one of the least well off Senators, he made $2.5 million over the last 10 years, which by Senate standards is the bread line.
Oh, I thought she was OK the first day, too. She was obviously out of her depth on some of it, but that wasn't really surprising.
Is it possible to donate enough money to lower your tax bracket/taxes owed beyond what you are giving away? Irregardless, it makes sense to direct some of your money towards causes you support and away from the thresher.
Spellcheck accepts 'irregardless', btw.
Well, not if you don't have total deductibles greater than the standard deduction. I'm sure most charitable donations come from people who itemize, but surely not all.
That's because the people who program spellchecks are bonified pre-Madonnas.
(I'm amused that "spellcheck" gets spellchecked. Isn't that kind of like misspelling "misspell"?)
NAA
Thank you, David. And best wishes for your speedy recovery.
Oops, maybe--should I have been taking a deduction for hours given? I'm guessing not, but...
But then again, I am not a huge fan of Jon Stewart either, and I don't see much of a difference between the two. It is political satire.
Yes, I understand the race angle that democrats are going to make as much hay with, as possible, but I think it is a reach at best. I have seen worse on Jon Stewart.
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