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Dude, its laundry.
I think Cubs fans should be mored pissed than Cards fans.
Well, Will, try thinking of it from a Cubs fan's perspective. I'm going to have a hard time rooting for that frosted-tipped jagoff, too.
I look at it like this:
1) The Jimmy Carson situation: Player is traded from your favorite team to a hated rival.
--In this case, you can't really fault the player. The trade was beyond his control.
2) The Bernie Nicholls situation: Player is traded to or signs a free-agent deal with a non-rival and eventually signs with a rival.
--It's OK to harbor a little animosity, since the player chose a rival with whom to sign, but you can't expect him to show loyalty to the fanbase of a team that traded him. No hard feelings. Especially if (as in Edmonds' situation), the player wasn't really pursued in the first place.
3) The Tony Granato situation: Player turns down offer from current team to sign with hated rival, based on rival being "in a position to win". Player does this despite being embraced by fanbase during battle with blod clot on brain.
--This player is a sack of crap and should be booed every time he steps in the building. Increasing the Schadenfreude factor is that old team actually made the playoffs while rival/new team hit the golf course after the season.
This doesn't mean Edmonds isn't a dick and shouldn't be booed. He is, and he should. But just not for the reasons that Leitch mentions.
But he wasn't Duke Snider in an Angels uniform. Cards fans are sad, more than anything. He was the Yin to El Hombre's Yang through the best decade of Cardinal baseball since the '60s. No, the Eighties really don't match up in terms of on field performance - there's a reason that LaRussa and not Herzog have the most wins as Cardinal manager, and it ain't just the years.
Alright! Explaining the state of the world using nothing but LA Kings references. That's a challenge. Shredder, you done yourself proud, m'man.
As a Cub fan, I will hate Jim Edmonds until the day they put him in the dirt next to his father, Adolf Hitler.
I realize that Hitler's ashes are down some well in the former East Berlin, but that sounds like a reasonable place for Edmonds to spend eternity.
Well, it's become a truism to morons everywhere that Edmonds was an immobile oaf in the outfield who did nothing but dive to catch baseballs hit right at him. Plus, he had the temerity to hit a big HR off of that fat ######### at the front of Chicago's rotation after he had drilled him earlier in the game.
Oh yeah, and he had highlights in his hair and once wore a half-shirt under his uniform.
I could live with that.
No kidding. Cards fans get the best of all worlds re. Edmonds; they benefit from years of his superstar-level play, and when he craps out, their primary division rival snarfs him up and sticks him in the lineup.
Brian Burwell has taken the "Patriots stole our Super Bowl!" columns, so Bernie had to find another made-up controversy to write about.
No, not Hitler--it is Steve Garvey who is more evil than Jim Edmonds, and who fathered half of the world's population. A Cub fan of all people should know this.
Uh, Rick Reuschel's been retired for years.
Well, hell, I didn't know THAT. I hate him even more now.
Your lips to god's ears.
See, I thought he meant Ruben Quevedo.
Half-shirt?
My position on this is that unless the team is desperate for any offense whatsoever, the time to do something like this is at the very beginning of the season. Like when the Red Sox signed Gary Gaetti. Hopefully Edmonds can top Gaetti's -100 OPS+ in a Red Sox uniform.
Heh. Now HE was fat. Zambrano's barrel-chested.
Only if he wears that awesomely awesome green turtleneck underneath it.
I think he also had some less-than-complimentary things to say about Wrigley Field.
Let me join him in this. Architecturally, Wrigley is my favorite sporting venue, and it's not a particularly close call. However, outside of assorted frat rows and maybe Fenway, I can't think of a bigger lodestone for witless d-bags.
I hear the Cubs are also going to trade Matt Murton for a PTBNL, and sign Ray Lankford to platoon with Soriano.
1) The Cubs hitters' approach against Peavy was their best approach against a stud pitcher that I have seen in 25 years. They knocked him out after 4 innings and about 90 pitches.
2) Carlos Marmol is the best relief pitcher over 14 months in the history of the Cubs.
Well, that's only because he's displacing a much whiter man in Felix Pie.
What's Lonnie Smith doing these days?
Strike 2 to the third hitter of the 7th (forget who it was) was cartoonish. Looked like it jumped about a foot 2/3 of the way to the plate, then dove about another foot and a half when it reached the plate.
As a Cub fan who attends about 50 games at Wrigley a year, I will not disagree with this.
Yes. It's tremendous. Seriously--I just busted out laughing at the pitch I described, because I was flabbergasted at what I'd just witnessed. Marmol has some of the best stuff I've ever seen.
I don't know anything about any half-shirts, but I will never forgive him for the crime against fashion that is the windbreaker under the jersey. This is a bigger offense than even being a Cardinal.
At least Fernando Vina never did that.
*Collectively speaking. I've disliked plenty of SoCal teams, but never because of where they played their games. The Dodgers were actually my designated NL team to root for while Depo was at the helm.
Precisely. As bad as Pie's been at the plate, he's been slightly better than Edmonds thus far. And he's a hell of lot better defensively. Put Pie in the lineup every time there's a right-hander starting for the opposition. If he still sucks after a couple of months of this, then think about making a change. Leave him alone and see what he can do.
Possibly. But if so, Bruce Sutter from 1977 - mid May 1978 is right behind:
CM - 95.3 IP 141 K 41 BB 1.32 ERA
BS - 132 IP 157 K 34 BB 1.43 ERA
Carlos has the better K rate and better ERA and ERA+. Bruce has much better control and worked almost 40% more innings.
edit: And Sutter's splitter was right up there on the cartoonish scale as well.
Surprised the Cubs haven't signed him. He WAS a second baseman, after all.
Does he really frost his hair?
If so, why not just wear a dress?
From the CF camera view it looked like a wiffleball, it looked straight, belt high, or higher, until it just about reached the plate, then dropped like a dead pigeon at an 80 degree angle
He's putting a Cubs uniform on, isn't he? (ba-zing.)
And part of the hatred toward the Sharks was the California thing, but a lot of it was that they played Keven Constantine's boring-ass style that was just painful to watch. And I hate that building. Worst place I've ever been for a professional hockey game (though Allstate Arena for Wolves games is pretty bad, too).
It's irrational, but I will not back down from it, particularly since Edmonds is a downgrade from anybody else. If the Cubs were getting the Edmonds of 5 years ago, I'm sure I'd whore it out for him.
As long as he sucks, I have my principles.
Well-stated.
What's Lonnie Smith doing these days?
Misplaying flyballs in some slow pitch softball league somewhere.
Sounds as though your visit to our building was some time ago. It's gotten worse. SJ Sharkie, once a top notch mascot, now just walks around the arena banging on some sort of drum that actually just sounds like two lead pipes being bashed together. This goes on all game long. I was in high school during Constantine's reign, and my dad and I had season tix that I was glad to partake in even though the team was dreadful. He still has the tickets, but I seldom go. Like, once each of the last two seasons seldom.
Even though they've been winning, Ron Wilson's style wasn't any improvement. They bore me to no end.
And I wish pestilence and plague upon the Kings as long as Lombardi is in charge.
I love the guy, and I think Cubs and Cards fans are both being really silly here.
That is a complete and total myth.
I have to defer to you on Angels stuff, Blackhawk, but if it's a myth, it's a widely repeated myth. Meanwhile 1-0 in the Edmonds era.
So's your mom.
I can't understand people not understanding the Edmonds hate. He was a popular player of our primary rival. He beat the Cubs many times. Now, he's being signed by the Cubs when he's crap. What's to like?
Your mom.
Still love the guy, though. The stories out of Anaheim about his jaking may have been true, but man, you couldn't have asked for harder or better play in his StL years. I'll give him a standing O in any uniform short of the National Socialists'.
Well, they didn't sign him as much as they traded for him. Gave up Steve Stone and Steve Swisher after Santo became the first player ever to exercise 5-10 rights and refuse a trade to the Angels.
And he wasn't over the hill. Well he was, but he was still a good player. 20 HR and a 112 OPS+ in 1973. It's been 3 years since Edmonds has been that good.
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