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Wednesday, April 30, 2008

MLB: Balk sends Lincecum, Giants to loss

My Darling, I NEED you
(la-la-la-la-la-la) to call my own and NEVER do wrong...unless you really #### up (NOTE- this is the original version by The Not-So-Gladiolas)

Chris Iannetta doubled leading off and moved to third base on Clint Barmes’ sacrifice bunt. As Lincecum prepared to throw a 1-0 pitch to Yorvit Torrealba, catcher Bengie Molina threw up his arms to signal a request for time out. Plate umpire Gary Darling responded by also waving his arms calling a balk on Lincecum, enabling Iannetta to score. Bochy argued with Darling and was ejected after a three-minute harangue.

“Lincecum flinched,” Darling told a pool reporter. “Bengie was giving him the signs, then he started, stopped. Bengie tried to cover for his starting and stopping, called time. I went time with Bengie and then enforced the balk from starting and stopping.”

It never occurred to Lincecum that he did anything that might be interpreted as a balk. All he knew was he saw a bunch of hands flailing behind home plate. “It was almost simultaneous,” Lincecum said. “Bengie started to get up and that’s when the umpire called time out. It was right when I took my step back. I wasn’t even into my motion yet.”

Said a relatively calm Bochy, “I still don’t understand it.” Bochy pressed for an explanation from Darling just a little too hard.

“He wanted me to get together with the crew and there was no reason to get together with the crew,” Darling said. “I said, ‘You’ve had your say’ and blah blah blah. He didn’t curse me or anything. It was a big enough play that he thought he needed to get run, I guess.”

Repoz Posted: April 30, 2008 at 07:43 AM | 12 comment(s)
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   1. Adam S Posted: April 30, 2008 at 09:59 AM (#2764042)
Exhibit 1 for:

a) the pointlessness of the balk rule; and
b) unpredictability in how it gets enforced.

The runner would almost certainly have scored some other way, but this is still dumb.
   2. Master of the small sample size Posted: April 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM (#2764061)
Indeed. Is there no greater way to win a game than the infamous balk-off?
   3. Steve Treder Posted: April 30, 2008 at 11:16 AM (#2764084)
Wouldn't it make more sense for the balk rule not to be applicable unless the pitcher is working from the stretch?

Let's review the logic here: the balk rule exists to prevent pitchers from unduly faking out baserunners, by feinting a move toward the plate and then executing a pickoff. Beyond that, there is no fathomable purpose for the balk rule.

So, when a pitcher eschews working from the stretch (as Lincecum was in this situation, with a runner on third base only; the Giants were in effect conceding the steal-of-home attempt if the Rockies wanted to try it), he has obviously no possible intent, no tangible means, of feinting a move toward the plate and then executing a pickoff.

This particular balk was a result only of confusion on the part of Darling, Molina, and Lincecum as to whether time had been called or not. Lincecum's hesitation in the beginning of his windup (!) was obviously and utterly nothing resembling a feint toward the plate, and provided utterly no utility toward attempting a pickoff of the runner.

While within the strict technical boundaries of the rule, it was a balk (though on the TV replay it was plain that Darling yelled "Time!" and threw his hands up, and then yelled, "That's a balk!", but whatever), all it does is illustrate how purposeless and unnecessarily complicated the rule is in that particular situation.

My proposal: the balk rules don't apply if a pitcher is working from the windup.
   4. Master of the small sample size Posted: April 30, 2008 at 11:48 AM (#2764092)
All he knew was he saw a bunch of hands flailing behind home plate.

Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man!! Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man!! Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man!!!
   5. OCF Posted: April 30, 2008 at 11:54 AM (#2764099)
Steve: where did the BTF thread about your article on lousy #3 hitters go? I wrote some stuff on that thread last night (mostly about Herr 1987) and I can't find it now.
   6. 3Com Park Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:00 PM (#2764105)
#3 makes a lot of sense.

Within the context of the current rules however, Lincecum was allowed to pitch from a windup because he's still not nearly as good from the stretch as from the windup. This poses a greater risk of a balk, particularly from an inexperienced pitcher, as Mike Krukow pointed out on the broadcast. A good reason not to pitch from the windup with a runner on third.

Whatever, a crappy way to lose.
   7. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:08 PM (#2764116)
So, when a pitcher eschews working from the stretch, he has obviously no possible intent, no tangible means, of feinting a move toward the plate and then executing a pickoff.

Sure he does. If a pitcher is working from the windup, this encourages the runner to take a large lead. The pitcher can make some type of move which seems to indicate his windup, then as the runner extends with a secondary lead the pitcher then steps off and fires to third.

It makes zero sense to get rid of the balk rule out of the windup.
   8. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:09 PM (#2764117)
a) the pointlessness of the balk rule; and

If you think the balk rule is pointless, lets get rid of it and witness the anarchy that ensues.
   9. Danny Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:09 PM (#2764118)
Let's review the logic here: the balk rule exists to prevent pitchers from unduly faking out baserunners, by feinting a move toward the plate and then executing a pickoff. Beyond that, there is no fathomable purpose for the balk rule.

Isn't it also so the pitcher doesn't "fake" a pitch to see if the batter's going to bunt?
   10. Steve Treder Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM (#2764121)
Steve: where did the BTF thread about your article on lousy #3 hitters go?

I dunno. Look back in the previous pages, I guess.
   11. Chris Dial Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM (#2764123)
Wouldn't it make more sense for the balk rule not to be applicable unless the pitcher is working from the stretch?

Let's review the logic here: the balk rule exists to prevent pitchers from unduly faking out baserunners, by feinting a move toward the plate and then executing a pickoff. Beyond that, there is no fathomable purpose for the balk rule.

So, when a pitcher eschews working from the stretch (as Lincecum was in this situation, with a runner on third base only; the Giants were in effect conceding the steal-of-home attempt if the Rockies wanted to try it), he has obviously no possible intent, no tangible means, of feinting a move toward the plate and then executing a pickoff.


This isn't true. All the pitcher has to do is rock back and throw to third. You don't have to "feint toward the plate". You have to make a motion that indicates you are going to throw home, and any start from the wind up, the rock, hands lifting - there is TONS of "tangible means" to execute a pickoff.

Heck, the pitcher can just pretend to throw the ball. IOr he can break his hands and step off hte rubber with the wrong foot. A balk is much more complex than what you suggest.
   12. Steve Treder Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:22 PM (#2764128)
Yeah, I guess you're right.

But this particular play remains a case in which the rule itself was imposed, without any trace of its spirit present. No one, absolutely no one who witnessed it, not the runner on third or the home plate ump or the Ball Dude down the right field line, interpreted Lincecum's hesitation as a feint or a deke or anything that would inhibit the runner's ability to get a jump.
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